Boxing is No1

[Dia bando]

Well technically he didn't know who the heavyweight boxing champ was either. "Klit brothers" means he couldn't identify Wlad. Just saying...

Technically Miles long lost brother, stop nit picking at the time both brothers were Champions so
there now I want a apologue say your sorry.

OK, sorry... although if you ever compare me to miles again you're getting banned. Fact.

Don't be like that Miles has some really good traits, give me a day or 2 I will think of some.

[Beanflicker]

Sorry but boxing is No1 from me, I've tried to watch MMA but after 2 minutes I'm ready to sleep
no interest full of sted head lunatics, a PED's users wet dream.

Good for you. It's a shame (for boxing's sake) that the majority of the public doesn't share your view of MMA.

[Silkeyjoe]

Explain "fan friendly"??

-Multiple free cards per month.

-Undercard fights of all PPV's on free TV.

-Big/exciting fights that the fans want to see get made (because its all in house and there's no I WONT WORK WITH THAT PROMOTER nonsense)

-Tons of interactive fan expos that make UFC superstars much more accessible than boxing's superstars. Fans get to meet and hang out with the champs and top p4p guys in the sport: can the same be said for the top boxing stars? On the MMA forum I post at, meeting UFC superstars is a very common occurance: how many people here have met Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, ect?

Above is all true but a lot of the MMA stars are accessible because they are not super stars like the people you have mentioned. If you go to fight cards you and want to meet fighters you will. Ive had converstaions with fighters like Andy Lee, Stephen Ormond, Gary O Sullivan, Tyson Fury, Barry McGuigan at fight cards in Irish. Ive talked to plenty of US fans who have gone to fights in the US and spoken and got pictures taken with fighters. The difference is the UFC fighters are contractually obliged to do this while boxers are not.

I dont think UFC will ever catch up with boxing just look and PPV figures and even free televised card figures and you'll see which is more popular.

[Dia bando]

Sorry but boxing is No1 from me, I've tried to watch MMA but after 2 minutes I'm ready to sleep
no interest full of sted head lunatics, a PED's users wet dream.

Good for you. It's a shame (for boxing's sake) that the majority of the public doesn't share your view of MMA.

Come on now they are full of PED's, UFC slick programing may appeal to kids, but some silly git
shouting like a dip stick, on the tale of the tapes, if you like carnivals that's okay, you may like
a burger but I like a T bone, yes both are both beef but one is made of inferior mince.

[Beanflicker]

At the end of the day, the general public chooses UFC. In North America, it's much cooler to be an MMA fighter than it is to be a boxer. The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet: that's now the MMA fighter.

And it's only expanding. MMA is gaining big popularity in Europe, especially England where it always draws big numbers. And with more and more European stars emerging, the popularity is only going to go up.

MMA is in a constant state of steady growth. What's boxing doing? Two of boxing's biggest draws are probably going to be retired within the next few years. Mayweather is likely going to try to hit 50-0 and leave. Pac is past his prime.

[ykdadamaja]

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

[Dia bando]

At the end of the day, the general public chooses UFC. In North America, it's much cooler to be an MMA fighter than it is to be a boxer. The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet: that's now the MMA fighter.

And it's only expanding. MMA is gaining big popularity in Europe, especially England where it always draws big numbers. And with more and more European stars emerging, the popularity is only going to go up.

MMA is in a constant state of steady growth. What's boxing doing? Two of boxing's biggest draws are probably going to be retired within the next few years. Mayweather is likely going to try to hit 50-0 and leave. Pac is past his prime.

Wrong Froch V Groves just sold forty plus thousand tickets, over here for MMA you be lucky 4 thousand were sold, is boxing really doing that badly.

[Silkeyjoe]

At the end of the day, the general public chooses UFC. In North America, it's much cooler to be an MMA fighter than it is to be a boxer. The boxer is no longer considered the baddest man on the planet: that's now the MMA fighter.

And it's only expanding. MMA is gaining big popularity in Europe, especially England where it always draws big numbers. And with more and more European stars emerging, the popularity is only going to go up.

MMA is in a constant state of steady growth. What's boxing doing? Two of boxing's biggest draws are probably going to be retired within the next few years. Mayweather is likely going to try to hit 50-0 and leave. Pac is past his prime.

Yes but you have constant stars emerging in boxing. Canelos PPV sales against Angulo will likely beat any of this years UFC sales. He is only 23. Froch Groves sold out in an hour. Name a UFC fight that would sell out over 60k seats in this time period.

You also have boxing popularity rising in Asia where MMA is popular already. I dont think it will be long before boxing is the number 1 martial art in Japan and China.

[Silkeyjoe]

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

[ykdadamaja]

MMA has to be free, because no one would pay a good dime to see it... aside from having nothing to do on a Friday or Saturday night, you stumble into a UFC event and sit down and take in some "action"...

Dana White uses his head- he KNOWS promotions go well beyond just fight hype. You need to have a friendly face to the brand, like all sports have.

Boxing doesn't have to try so hard to be that way- because we gravitate towards a fan favourite. The man that's must see TV for fight fans, casual and hard core, is Floyd Mayweather. He is the face of boxing- regardless of who the HW champ is. The second face is Manny Pacquioa.

Who's gonna take his place remains to be seen... but odds are it will be another real soon, and it looks like Deontay Wilder IF he keeps on winning in the fashion casual fight fans wanna see- ko's and gory beatings.

Danny Garcia has it- but the fight last night looked boring. But even Floyd has boring fights from time to time.

UFC TRIED to capitalize on the strength of Tito Ortiz and Rampage Jackson, and tried to make more out of Chuck Liddell than he was worth, but it peaked with the descending of those three names.

They tried to work with Kimbo Slice... they tried to keep us interested in Jon Jones, but they have peaked promotionally and it can go no further than it has.

Nice try- but that's it.

[Silkeyjoe]

MMA has to be free, because no one would pay a good dime to see it... aside from having nothing to do on a Friday or Saturday night, you stumble into a UFC event and sit down and take in some "action"...

Dana White uses his head- he KNOWS promotions go well beyond just fight hype. You need to have a friendly face to the brand, like all sports have.

Boxing doesn't have to try so hard to be that way- because we gravitate towards a fan favourite. The man that's must see TV for fight fans, casual and hard core, is Floyd Mayweather. He is the face of boxing- regardless of who the HW champ is. The second face is Manny Pacquioa.

Who's gonna take his place remains to be seen... but odds are it will be another real soon, and it looks like Deontay Wilder IF he keeps on winning in the fashion casual fight fans wanna see- ko's and gory beatings.

Danny Garcia has it- but the fight last night looked boring. But even Floyd has boring fights from time to time.

UFC TRIED to capitalize on the strength of Tito Ortiz and Rampage Jackson, and tried to make more out of Chuck Liddell than he was worth, but it peaked with the descending of those three names.

They tried to work with Kimbo Slice... they tried to keep us interested in Jon Jones, but they have peaked promotionally and it can go no further than it has.

Nice try- but that's it.

Thats how I see it too.

[ykdadamaja]

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

You obviously read the words and didn't contain the meaning- I said a good punch AND a "gritty attitude"... which suggests you need to be able to grapple, knowing how to do so in an effective manner moreso than a skillful manner.

Even with "ground and pound", you need a good punch. On the top or the bottom. Nothing in the fight game can make up for not having a good wollop- or else we will have what we have been having, boring ass fights with guys rolling around the floor until someone gets tired and gets his leg snapped or his neck twisted- which is more rare in UFC than are ko's, by a wide ass margin.

UFC Finishing Stats Indicate Rise in Decisions - MMA Fighting

[Beanflicker]

I dont think UFC will ever catch up with boxing just look and PPV figures and even free televised card figures and you'll see which is more popular.

Yeah, if Mayweather is the headliner. Even Pacquaio's buyrate dipped after his loss, agaisnt Rios he couldn't even do 500k.

Canelo did 350k vs Angulo... UFC 170 did more than that and the card was headlined by two women. UFC 168 did well over a million.

Take Mayweather and Pacquaio out of the picture (and they likely will be out of the picture in a few short years) and boxing PPV is in a sorry state.

The UFC's biggest draws are mostly young and they are constantly developing new stars.

What happens to new potential stars in boxing, like Ward? They get snubbed by the major networks

[Fenster]

The UFC has taken over. Boxing will always be around, but it has much less cultural significance since the UFC exploded years back.

When you argue against it, you just end up looking stupid.

What exactly do you mean by the "UFC has taken over?"

Floyd Mayweather (USA) is the highest earning sportsman in the world. Wlad Klitschko (UKR) consistently sells out 50,000 seat stadiums with 10+ million watching on German TV. Froch-Groves (UK) are rematching in front of 80,000 people at Wembley stadium. Pac-Rios (China) just happened with an audience of over 100 million Chinese alone.

There are literally dozens of boxing bills from every corner of the world every single week.

How has the UFC harmed boxing if it continues to flourish all over the world?

[Silkeyjoe]

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

You obviously read the words and didn't contain the meaning- I said a good punch AND a "gritty attitude"... which suggests you need to be able to grapple, knowing how to do so in an effective manner moreso than a skillful manner.

Even with "ground and pound", you need a good punch. On the top or the bottom. Nothing in the fight game can make up for not having a good wollop- or else we will have what we have been having, boring ass fights with guys rolling around the floor until someone gets tired and gets his leg snapped or his neck twisted- which is more rare in UFC than are ko's, by a wide ass margin.

UFC Finishing Stats Indicate Rise in Decisions - MMA Fighting

You're trying to make it out as if there is no skill involved and that the stronger man wins. That logic can be applied to boxing too. Scott is the more skillfull boxer then Wilder but Wilder beat him in 1 because he has a bigger punch and Scott has no heart. Here the better puncher and "grittier" fighter one.

I find it the opposite for UFC. Look at Anderson Silva or GSP. Neither you would consider the strongest in their divs but spiders slick skills and GSPs outstanding wrestling has elevated them above everyone else.