Which is the biggest reason for Floyd's struggles tonight?

[THE THIRD MAN]

Mayweather struggle is part illusion. Maidana did well. He pressure Mayweather and landed his punches. The fact that it's been years since anybody did that to Floyd makes many believe he really struggled. In reality he didn't struggle. He was just in a hard fight. Boxing is suppose to be hard. It's just been so easy for him for so long it's a shock when he has a hard one

Yep, i go along with this. Maidana did everything he could and he did make it hard for Floyd. We've all become so accustomed to Floyd taking charge and coasting to the inevitable end that when somebody like Maidana gives him a genuine tough fight we're all a little shocked!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

There was a moment in round one (our maybe round two) where Maidana hit Mayweather with (I think) three overhand rights, at least one of which was a very hard shot and it really looked like Maidana had found the punch to short circuit Mayweather but Mayweather (who at this point, was trying to find was to evade the shots), them decided to stand toe to toe and work it out amidst some of the best infighting I've seen this year.

He can still fight but I think really, he'd rather not.

[Max Power]

I said this before Floyd ducked Khan

Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)

Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .

Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.

He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!!

[cyclone]

I said this before Floyd ducked Khan

Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)

Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .

Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.

He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!!

Who's ducking who?

In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:

"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"

C'mon now..

That was a straight up duck and you know it.

NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..

Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.

Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.

Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:

"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"

Damn

The shit Manny gets away with.

[Max Power]

I said this before Floyd ducked Khan

Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)

Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .

Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.

He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!!

Who's ducking who?

In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:

"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"

C'mon now..

That was a straight up duck and you know it.

NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..

Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.

Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.

Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:

"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"

Damn

The shit Manny gets away with.

Just the rambling of a complete fool!

Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?

It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring!

[zhubin]

I said this before Floyd ducked Khan

Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)

Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .

Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.

He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!!

Who's ducking who?

In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:

"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"

C'mon now..

That was a straight up duck and you know it.

NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..

Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.

Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.

Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:

"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"

Damn

The shit Manny gets away with.

Just the rambling of a complete fool!

Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?

It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring!

I love Pac fans who just assume "everyone" thinks Floyd is ducking Manny. Let's just forget about issues like Pac being dodgy about drug testing initially....or Pac being controlled by Bob Arum. Yeah...it's all Floyd's fault. He is scared. But NOW Pac will do anything to fight Floyd..wonder why? Could it be that now, more than ever, he needs the biggest pay day of his life (tax issues, etc.).

[Max Power]

It's no secret Pac was using, the only reason Floyd insisted so strongly is because it was his way out, protecting his 0! The "0" is the only marketability he has, if that should go he'll have to budet his money instead of wasting it up the wall.

And Bob Arum wants the fight as much as Pac does, Pac is near the end, of course Arum would like to cash in on his biggest pay day ever what the hell!

[zhubin]

It's no secret Pac was using, the only reason Floyd insisted so strongly is because it was his way out, protecting his 0! The "0" is the only marketability he has, if that should go he'll have to budet his money instead of wasting it up the wall.

And Bob Arum wants the fight as much as Pac does, Pac is near the end, of course Arum would like to cash in on his biggest pay day ever what the hell!

You just accused another person of "rambling" yet you spew this nonsense. So let me get this straight...Floyd should have gone ahead and fought someone who was potentially cheating. Brilliant. Bob Arum wants the fight?! Thank you for that brilliant insight. Of course he does. But Floyd doesn't want to do business with that blood sucking vampire...the same guy who has fighters in his own stable either leaving or suing his repugnant ass. But yeah....the richest athlete in sports should just ignore all of this and fight a guy who is so desperate.

[Ron Swanson]

It's no secret Pac was using, the only reason Floyd insisted so strongly is because it was his way out, protecting his 0! The "0" is the only marketability he has, if that should go he'll have to budet his money instead of wasting it up the wall.

And Bob Arum wants the fight as much as Pac does, Pac is near the end, of course Arum would like to cash in on his biggest pay day ever what the hell!

I have no problem with you thinking Pac wants the fight just because he says so but I'll point out some holes in the theory.

1st you said testing was Floyds way out. That logic is ass backwards. It was agreed. The fight was happening with testing so testing can't be a way out except as an excuse for the guy that pulled out using testing as an excuse. It's certainly not an excuse for the guy that was going ahead with the fight.

2)Manny was just Floyds mandatory, there was one fight he could take to be removed from the mandatory spot. That one fight Manny said "we don't need" until he was Floyds mandatory then he immediately did the thing that would stop that.

3)the cut that wouldn't heal, but healed the day Floyd was sentenced, but when Floyd moved his incarceration they suddenly needed the magical unicorn stadium. A stadium so mystical that even though a temporary stadium can be fabricated in a matter of weeks and constructed in a matter of days would take until exactly 1 week after Floyd turned himself in to be ready. Coincidence? Well you'd have to be missing chromosomes to buy this so far but let's explore it further. Bob said he had an exact date of completion. That would mean he had hired the company to fabricate, hired the construction company, acquired building permits. He could not have an exact date without doing these things. So now we are let to believe Bob paid for a 20 million dollar stadium, since he must have paid if he hired, but didn't have them build it?! It's such stupid and obvious bullspit that it becomes all to clear. But go ahead take a ride with the carebears to the magical unicorn stadium and there you can discuss how much they want the fight.

[Ron Swanson]

F it. As long as I'm on a rant let's continue. Building permits are public record. Guess what, Bob did not get a building permit. This is concrete evidence he was lying. Not a matter of opinion, documented or rather undocumented fact.

Neither side wanted the fight. Both sold better when "does this lead to May/Pac?" As long as it looms it elevates them. You can shear a sheep...

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I think Floyd's next move will answer the question as to why he struggled in that last fight. If he knew that he did his best and that old age may have caught up with him, then he will definitely retire (again). He will not risk that '0' by putting himself in the same predicament or worse. If Floyd thinks he just had a bad night or he just underestimated the opponent, then we'll have another Floyd fight in our hands.

[cyclone]

I said this before Floyd ducked Khan

Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)

Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .

Khan might be better than Maidana overall but he is not as tough or as powerful as Maidana, I would still tip Floyd to KO Khan. Mayweather is not fucking Khan.

He's ducking Pacquiao who has the measure of both speed and power, it's now abundantly clear why to everybody!!

Who's ducking who?

In 09 Manny requested and recieved a 5050 split.... but walked away over the cutoff date (to fight the already signed Clottey) because,according to him:

"14 day too close....I still in hebby training"

C'mon now..

That was a straight up duck and you know it.

NOBODY needs more than 14 days to recoup..

Where were you when Arum said they needed to build a temporary stadium..that SHIT didn't come from Mayweather's side.

Imagine if those were Ellerbe's words.

Pac's team are the one changing excuses...remember this gem:

"Manny's cut won't be healed in time for May 3rd"

Damn

The shit Manny gets away with.

Just the rambling of a complete fool!

Flomo's mate, did he have a board meeting with you all once and discuss the elaborate cover storry you're all to stick with in order to throw off criticism?

It's a red handed situation here mate. He's been running from Pac for years, EVERYONE knows this! It's ok. If he wants to be TBE, tell him all he has to do is get in the bloody ring!

I love Pac fans who just assume "everyone" thinks Floyd is ducking Manny. Let's just forget about issues like Pac being dodgy about drug testing initially....or Pac being controlled by Bob Arum. Yeah...it's all Floyd's fault. He is scared. But NOW Pac will do anything to fight Floyd..wonder why? Could it be that now, more than ever, he needs the biggest pay day of his life (tax issues, etc.).

Zing...

Anybody trying to deny Manny rejected a 5050 split over the 14 day cutoff is just as dumb and crooked as Manny.

[cyclone]

F it. As long as I'm on a rant let's continue. Building permits are public record. Guess what, Bob did not get a building permit. This is concrete evidence he was lying. Not a matter of opinion, documented or rather undocumented fact.

Neither side wanted the fight. Both sold better when "does this lead to May/Pac?" As long as it looms it elevates them. You can shear a sheep...

One side agreed to all the demands...the other made excuses ranging from fear of needles to Stadiums needing to be built and investors from Dubai rounded up.

When Arum refused to make the Oscar fight...Floyd left and made it himself..THAT is what fighters do when they want something.

Manny could EASILLY do the same thing....it's too late now...he's no longer relevant.

[jahmez]

F it. As long as I'm on a rant let's continue. Building permits are public record. Guess what, Bob did not get a building permit. This is concrete evidence he was lying. Not a matter of opinion, documented or rather undocumented fact.

Neither side wanted the fight. Both sold better when "does this lead to May/Pac?" As long as it looms it elevates them. You can shear a sheep...

One side agreed to all the demands...the other made excuses ranging from fear of needles to Stadiums needing to be built and investors from Dubai rounded up.

When Arum refused to make the Oscar fight...Floyd left and made it himself..THAT is what fighters do when they want something.

Manny could EASILLY do the same thing....it's too late now...he's no longer relevant.

Cyclone you really are a persistent little haemorrhoid aren't you

[Mr140]

So let me get this straight max Mayweather says lets do better testing for riods and i will give you 40 mill and pac says no to that. Then pacs a fucking coward ducking fuck that could not learn how to cycle his drugs for 40 million dollars that in it self makes me think it is not just Mayweathers fault.