NYSAC Wont Allow Sergio Martineze to wear a Knee Brace vs. Cotto.

[Spicoli]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

[Master]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Knee supports are fine and should be allowed. I wear the metal ones not because I have to but because I feel more confident that my knee will not give way in them.

[Spicoli]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.

[Rantcatrat]

Can Sergio Martinez punch with power without a brace? If not, he might be in for a long night.

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.

Lets just call it a difference of opinion then. I mean why does he need it? Is it a crutch and if so why is he fighting? People are acting as if Cotto runs the NYSAC. I'm sure the science has been viewed by those who made the call. What are people going to say if Martinez limps to the ring. They will probably call Cotto the cheat. The bottom line is if he gains strength from that device? If it can be shown that he does or that it enables him to do things that he could not do w/o it then that's wrong plain and simple. Whether he is the six million dollar man is not at issue.

[Beanz]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.

[Spicoli]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

Its not bionic science either though. I gather this brace as with at least 50 we've seen used over the years, a minimum, are for structural support. He's not being morphed into a cyborg and has competed with one prior. A brace does not undo damage as much as rehabilitate and lessen the chance of further-repeat injury. His knee is still a damaged knee. What next... we gonna start flagging guys with rods and pins in hands and shoulders or titanium plates inserted in their head This is a calculated move and reaction to garner favor for the house fighter, nothing more. It's a punk move.

Lets just call it a difference of opinion then. I mean why does he need it? Is it a crutch and if so why is he fighting? People are acting as if Cotto runs the NYSAC. I'm sure the science has been viewed by those who made the call. What are people going to say if Martinez limps to the ring. They will probably call Cotto the cheat. The bottom line is if he gains strength from that device? If it can be shown that he does or that it enables him to do things that he could not do w/o it then that's wrong plain and simple. Whether he is the six million dollar man is not at issue.

Fair enough bud, I just cannot in anyway see how this would add strength or power. Make it level, yeh. You have to consider that the huge knock on Martinez was that he IS damaged goods and a walking rehab session...not to all, but its all I heard when this was signed. And that's -before- this curveball new rule came down. I see a brace as strictly stabilization and even then its a false sense of security if a guy over relies, all the braces in the world didn't stop a Jesus Chavez v Julio Diaz scenario or a McCline etc etc.

[Beanz]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.

You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?


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[Silkeyjoe]

If the old overrated f_ _ don't like it,he can move on and fight somebody else.

I find this slur to be incredibly offensive, insensitive, and inexcusable in this public forum.

I demand that you apologize, take ownership, and make restitution.


I have a delicate constitution, y'know...

So he's racist and homophobic. Not a surprise the 2 usually go hand in hand

[Maravilla2012]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.

You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?


Saving Lamont Peterson is one thing, drugs in boxing is another | Sean Ingle | Sport | The Guardian


Peterson vs Khan Drug Testing Scandal: Time For Boxing to Take the Test - Bad Left Hook

Chavez jr wore one against Martinez and it did nothing for him. I dont see the difference. Martinez should tell the commission not to let Cotto wear his pink high knee socks. Stupid rule.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Does anyone remember a champion by the name of Robert Daniels? His mandatory Craig Banderowski if I spelled his name wrong forgive me but he had an artificial leg and he fought for the light heavyweight title or was it cruiser weight? It happened and now these assholes don't want the champ to wear a brace? When does the bullshit rest? The point is a rule should be made and not subject to the whims of mental midgets. If it was from Cotto or his camp, not that it means anything to them but you will have lost another fan. Can you imagine Craig having to turn his prostheses in because Daniels felt it would gie him an unfair advantage? Daniels just made another defense and faced a legitimate contender.

[IamInuit]

That's horseshit. There have been numerous fighters wearing knee braces. Shit even one guy with an artificial leg fought for a title.

How is a knee brace giving a guy an unfair advantage or leverage...if anything isn't it actually just equalizing it? A fighter entering the ring 'injured'...a hand, elbow, shoulder, unhealed cut or banged up knees.... is in no way to his advantage. I'm calling bullshit on Cotto and this ivory tower diva garbage

Cant agree. If its a simple bundle for knee collisions fair enough but if that knee cannot take or give power naturally when throwing a punch or stepping away from one then he has no special right to gain that use through artificial means. If he cant compete w/o it then don't compete. Punches are generated from the feet/legs. This isn't basketball.

I have to say I am with Spicoli on this one. Correct me if I am wrong but did you not suggest yourself that Peterson having taken testosterone was permissible purely because it raised his naturally low levels to those needed to compete ? According to your argument then he also should not be allowed to compete. Master is right also when he points out the whole reason to wear a brace is not to gain an advantage but to prevent damage and the knee giving out. If his knee goes in the fight due to not wearing his brace then it is Cotto who will be gifted a massive advantage and possibly the result if Martinez can not continue.

I did say that and he was below the allowable amount accepted under medical rehab and his handlers failed to inform. He still had all the documentation. Not the same thing. I'm saying that it may add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means I have a problem with that and like I said if its to prevent knee on knee collisions because he's a southpaw then fine. I suspect its more then that. Perhaps its much less in which case it should have no effect at all with or w/o it.

You are right it is not the same thing Petersons testosterone to epitestosterone level was 3.77:1 and the usual ratio is 1:1. So Peterson's performance was irrefutably enhanced whereas their is no evidence to suggest that Martinez wearing a knee brace for post surgery knee protection will add strength or allow him to do something he could not naturally do otherwise including punch because of mechanical means something with all the best will in the world Peterson can never claim. I have no grudge against Cotto. Maybe Cotto should wear a brace too if he thinks it will give him an advantage?


Saving Lamont Peterson is one thing, drugs in boxing is another | Sean Ingle | Sport | The Guardian


Peterson vs Khan Drug Testing Scandal: Time For Boxing to Take the Test - Bad Left Hook

Chavez jr wore one against Martinez and it did nothing for him. I dont see the difference. Martinez should tell the commission not to let Cotto wear his pink high knee socks. Stupid rule.

That is not a brace. Show me the item Martinez cannot win w/o?

[Spicoli]

Does anyone remember a champion by the name of Robert Daniels? His mandatory Craig Banderowski if I spelled his name wrong forgive me but he had an artificial and he fought for the light heavyweight title or was it cruiser weight? It happened and now these assholes don't want the champ to wear a brace? When does the bullshit rest? The point is a rule should be made and not subject to the whims of mental midgets. If it was from Cotto or his camp, not that it means anything to them but you will have lost another fan. Can you imagine Craig having to turn his prostheses in because Daniels felt it would gie him an unfair advantage? Daniels just made another defense and faced a legitimate contender.

Can you imagine being a professional, having your foot sheered to the bone, being told to retire and coming back a year later on a mass of plastic and rubber for a lower leg that made that title shot possible and you as a fighter more capable Its unfathomable and clearly illegal . Gator passed away just last year. He wasn't the most talented maybe but maximized what he had. In many ways coming back like that did 3 times for his mental strength what it ever could be thought to do for him physically. Please. Fighters overcome adversity, its what they do and its why we respect them.