Froch vs calzaghe.

[Primo Carnera]

Most of the fights referred to here were past Joe's prime. But either way he wins. But a past his prime Joe won't have the power to stop Froch coming forward so it will be closer.

As an aside, I often wonder how different Joe would have been as a fighter with a different trainer. I think much of his work with his dad was based on instinct rather than methodology. I think perhaps with his natural talents he could have been (even) better than he was.

I think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.

[ryanman]

Most of the fights referred to here were past Joe's prime. But either way he wins. But a past his prime Joe won't have the power to stop Froch coming forward so it will be closer.

As an aside, I often wonder how different Joe would have been as a fighter with a different trainer. I think much of his work with his dad was based on instinct rather than methodology. I think perhaps with his natural talents he could have been (even) better than he was.

I think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.

Absolutely. His hand problems prompted the change in style.
He had his physical prime and he had his ring generalship prime and they didn't really overlap much if at all.
Which is a shame, but then again maybe he wouldn't have ever have developed that adaptability had he not been forced to.

[Primo Carnera]

Most of the fights referred to here were past Joe's prime. But either way he wins. But a past his prime Joe won't have the power to stop Froch coming forward so it will be closer.

As an aside, I often wonder how different Joe would have been as a fighter with a different trainer. I think much of his work with his dad was based on instinct rather than methodology. I think perhaps with his natural talents he could have been (even) better than he was.

I think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.

Absolutely. His hand problems prompted the change in style.
He had his physical prime and he had his ring generalship prime and they didn't really overlap much if at all.
Which is a shame, but then again maybe he wouldn't have ever have developed that adaptability had he not been forced to.

Agreed. Mind you , what I do find strange is that I remember Joe in his early days (Before his hand problems) being a bit "Slappy". and when somebody punches like that, you wouldn't normally expect to get problems with their fist and knuckles , which is normally the hand problems you get.

[brocktonblockbust]

Joe Cal-slappy: punches in bunches, awkward southpaw, super output and conditioning, slick off the back foot.....mehhhhh.....

Froch knocks his ass out with GLANCING BLOWS.

[Dia bando]

Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.

Agree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.
says it all really.

[erics44]

Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.

Agree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.
says it all really.

I scored froch Kessler 1 to froch, either way it definitely wasn't easy

[brocktonblockbust]

@Dia bando what the FROCH are you on about? King Carl would get beat for 6-8 rounds by the Happy Pappy-Slapper AND THEN HE WOULD DELIVER THE BLOW. YOu know, that FROCHING inevitable Hammer Blow from Sherwood Forest.

Like he always does.

He smoked Groves twice at his advanced age that he was, imagine how he would push Calzaghe all around the ring, it would be a 16 foot ring. 8 ounce gloves and Joe would be battered by even glancing blows. Froch would pound onn the shoulders and biceps. Joe's arms would slowly drop by the 8th round. Froch only would need to land about 5 or 6 wicked body shots, bringing the arms down further, then BOOOOM.

[ross]

@Dia bando what the FROCH are you on about? King Carl would get beat for 6-8 rounds by the Happy Pappy-Slapper AND THEN HE WOULD DELIVER THE BLOW. YOu know, that FROCHING inevitable Hammer Blow from Sherwood Forest.

Like he always does.

He smoked Groves twice at his advanced age that he was, imagine how he would push Calzaghe all around the ring, it would be a 16 foot ring. 8 ounce gloves and Joe would be battered by even glancing blows. Froch would pound onn the shoulders and biceps. Joe's arms would slowly drop by the 8th round. Froch only would need to land about 5 or 6 wicked body shots, bringing the arms down further, then BOOOOM.

What has Groves done? He's done as much as he's going to.

Its easy to now say Froch would have done this that and the other but just using Kessler as an example. Froch struggled with and lost to Kessler who was coming off a loss to Ward. Calzaghe faced an unbeaten Kessler that was a unified champion and really figured him out to the point it was a masterclass.

Froch would get out hustled big time here and look as clueless as he did against Ward.

[ryanman]

@Dia bando what the FROCH are you on about? King Carl would get beat for 6-8 rounds by the Happy Pappy-Slapper AND THEN HE WOULD DELIVER THE BLOW. YOu know, that FROCHING inevitable Hammer Blow from Sherwood Forest.

Like he always does.

He smoked Groves twice at his advanced age that he was, imagine how he would push Calzaghe all around the ring, it would be a 16 foot ring. 8 ounce gloves and Joe would be battered by even glancing blows. Froch would pound onn the shoulders and biceps. Joe's arms would slowly drop by the 8th round. Froch only would need to land about 5 or 6 wicked body shots, bringing the arms down further, then BOOOOM.

I think you are joking. Can you be serious Brock?

[Master]

I think Joe stops Froch with a body shot and uppercut to that nose.

BOOM there it is!!!!

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.

Agree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.
says it all really.

I scored froch Kessler 1 to froch, either way it definitely wasn't easy

It would be amazing to watch Froch vs Kessler 1 with you, and no volume , nobody talking horseshit, because I had Kessler winning it by 6 rounds!

[ross]

Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.

Agree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.
says it all really.

I scored froch Kessler 1 to froch, either way it definitely wasn't easy

It would be amazing to watch Froch vs Kessler 1 with you, and no volume , nobody talking horseshit, because I had Kessler winning it by 6 rounds!

I feel the same about the rematch. I saw Kessler winning the majority of the rounds after the 4th and earning a draw.

[tysonesque]

Calzaghe beats Froch easily - probably winning almost every round.

Wide points decision or late stoppage.

They are leagues apart.

[mrbig1]

Calzaghe beats Froch easily - probably winning almost every round.

Wide points decision or late stoppage.

They are leagues apart.

agree sir, Joe can change his style of boxing during a fight where Carl can't. Unlike Bute Joe was tough as nails. In other words Joe would kick his ass 10 rounds to two. You guys know I'm a big Froch fan. Just telling it like it is. Joe was an all time great.