Islamic extremist attack in Nigeria named the ‘deadliest massacre’ in history

[brocktonblockbust]

Prosecuting someone is a liiiiitle different to shooting them.

True AdamGB, and I thought the same thing myself, look at the different reactions: in one case wholesale slaughter of innocents, and in the other a mere prosecution. It is clear who is more civilized.

But I agree with Miles that what C hebdo did was "freedom of speech" targeting Muslims' Holy Prophet Muhammad (as hateful and inciteful and bigoted as it was) but if the same "free speech" as hateful and inciteful and bigoted were made about Jews, it would suddenly be "anti-semiitsm".

HUGE double standard there.

[Gandalf]

That's exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for articulating it far more clearly than I did.

[ryanman]

Miles, just wondering how you frame the rise of Boko Haram?
They have no anti-west agenda.

I think it shows that the issue of Islamic extremism is more nuanced than just 'blowback'.

[AdamGB]

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

[Gandalf]

Miles, just wondering how you frame the rise of Boko Haram?
They have no anti-west agenda.

I think it shows that the issue of Islamic extremism is more nuanced than just 'blowback'.

In all honesty, I am not totally clued up on Boko Haram. I get so focused on Western politics and our obvious impact in the Middle East, that the group has swept over my radar somewhat. The fact that it isn't a Western attack resulting in retaliation suggests this group is violent, but for whatever reason I could not say. I don't know the region or the recent history. Without that I cannot make any real evaluation. Bit boring, but just being honest with you old chap.

[El Kabong]

Thanks for articulating it far more clearly than I did.

Isn't communicating in English supposed to be your forte miles?

Anywho, I don't agree with the French arresting Diuedonne because he's using free speech as well....but God help him if there was EVER a law against being an unfunny comedian. He should change his name Diuedonne more like Douchey-Don .....

[Gandalf]

Lyle, people forget that my posting is not intellectual, but merely an exercise of habit. You teach pedagogic grammar and you are meant to permanently have those grammatical and lexical forms on fire. Can a God not take a shit occasionally?

[Kirkland Laing]

There are absolutely horrific events happening all the time in Africa that never get a mention in western media. So the fact that this got coverage at all is a positive. If it hadn't been a Muslim group and it had just been some tribal incident, like the ongoing stuff in the Congo, it may have possibly made one article in broadsheet newspapers and a mention on the BBC world service. But conflict involving Muslims is newsworthy, even to an extent African Muslims.

Obviously if it happened in the west it'd get coverage. Let's say even one or two schoolgirls were kidnapped in the west, it'd get wall to wall coverage at least until the ratings statred to drop and a new stroy came along.

But it happened in Africa and historically we ignore almost everything that happens there, same with the Middle East.

Yeah we TOTALLY ignore the Middle East in regards to media coverage.


As for ignoring what has happened in Baga, Nigeria....is there video? How many people live in Baga (seriously I can't find out and I'm on the internet!!!), I know the closest big city is Maiduguri which has a population of around 620,000 people (making it in between the size of Leeds and Sheffield for you Brits and about the size of Baltimore for us Americans). Now seriously on a world stage how do you expect this kind of attack to be treated especially when 1 side says 185 people were killed and another says "thousands were killed"?

It's my belief that this isn't huge news as communications are harder for those living in bum fuck Nigeria, the town is smaller than Paris, there's no video of the attack, Simon Allison of the Daily Maverick said “the nearest journalists are hundreds of kilometres away”, and for the Americans I can tell you that stories such as this Boko Haram attack don't fit President Obama's agenda. reporting on those attacks would beg such questions as "What are we doing to stop this?", "Are we losing the war on terrorism?", and of course The Obama Administration's FAVORITE question to duck, dodge, and slither away from "WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?"


......hint: it's never Islamic Extremists

We completely ignore the Middle East when events there don't concern western interests. Or when there are horrific things going on -- the tyranny under the Shah in Iran 1953-79 for instance -- that are committed by our allies.

It's impossible to do everything to stop every kind of bad thing happening everywhere. Even when America does intervene, see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc., things often get worse then they were than when America didn't spend trillions of taxpayer dollars, thousands of American lives etc. intervening.

I don't think anybody is avoiding saying who is responsible for this.

[El Kabong]

I don't think anybody is avoiding saying who is responsible for this.

The White House/Obama Administration seem to pussyfoot around the issue QUITE A BIT, but have it your way.

[Beanflicker]

Boko Haram satellite images reveal destruction caused by militants | Daily Mail Online


Satellite images before and after.. unreal.

I also read a report that they murdered a woman while she was in labour. They are just complete savages

[brocktonblockbust]

[QUOTE=AdamGB;1296680]There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?[/QUOTE

Good point there. But also, those cartoons could be interpreted as slander against Arabs, though Muslims come from countless ethnicities (Persian, turk, Indonesian.....)

[SlimTrae]

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

Interesting, I thought a Jew was a person who practices Judaism : or: יְהוּדָה
Or ...Yehudah pronounced Ya-hoodah or Lehodot literally meaning "to thank"
Yiddish then translate it as "yada" meaning to praise As in what a Jewish convert, practicing Jew does. As I've never heard of a practicing Chinese or practicing Mexican.

Does the word originate from a man named Judah? Son of Jacob. Meaning-- Jacob couldn't have been a Jew, for he had yet to skeet JUdah out his nut-sack into existence.

Before then? I thought they were Israelites, which comes from the name Jacob (a man) whose name is changed to Israel in Gen 32: he wrestles with an angel of the lord, got his ass whooped till daylight-his hip thrown out of the socket.
So Judah's daddy & daddy's daddy...Abraham (Abram) couldn't have been a Jew nor an Israelite
Abram is his name, right? Who is called the Father of the Hebrews.

Conclusion: Some say "Hebrew" is associated with Abram's grandpappy Eber-
A name applied to a foreigner (Genesis 39:14,17; 41:12, etc.), -Since Abram left his home of Ur & was told to go to Egypt, he would have been like a Mexican in America: An illegal immigrant.

The changing of his name to Abraham encases Cushite words or Ethiopian 4 word(s) Ab-ba-ra-ham
Ra is the God of Egypt & Ham is supposedly the first black man, "Ab" like "aborigines" or from the beginning and "Ba" a word meaning soul in Cushitic.. hence he is not called Ab-ba-Ya-Shem, for the God "Yah" whose chosen people from the descendant Shem...totally the opposite-Ab-ba-ra-ham.

Myself: I take it to come from the Hebrew word 'Abhar , "To pass over," a "sojourner" or "passer" into a foreign land which the Bible says Abram does- "settles in Egypt." aka (mizriam) who is a son of Ham, not Shem.

The Jewish faith I thought gets its origin from Abraham & the law through Moses --- the very laws Muslims adhere to from: no pork eating to choppin' mofo's heads off for the slightest of things.

And the people today, clearly call themselves names that doesn't denote Islam such as Hezbollah, Al Queada, ISIS, Dawa, Al-Sunnar. These people should be called that and not radical Islamists or extremist IMO...anymore than a Jew who wants to practice Tanakh (Old Testament) would then be called radical Jews. But this is just my opinion...

[Andre]

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

Interesting, I thought a Jew was a person who practices Judaism : or: יְהוּדָה
Or ...Yehudah pronounced Ya-hoodah or Lehodot literally meaning "to thank"
Yiddish then translate it as "yada" meaning to praise As in what a Jewish convert, practicing Jew does. As I've never heard of a practicing Chinese or practicing Mexican.

Does the word originate from a man named Judah? Son of Jacob. Meaning-- Jacob couldn't have been a Jew, for he had yet to skeet JUdah out his nut-sack into existence.

Before then? I thought they were Israelites, which comes from the name Jacob (a man) whose name is changed to Israel in Gen 32: he wrestles with an angel of the lord, got his ass whooped till daylight-his hip thrown out of the socket.
So Judah's daddy & daddy's daddy...Abraham (Abram) couldn't have been a Jew nor an Israelite
Abram is his name, right? Who is called the Father of the Hebrews.

Conclusion: Some say "Hebrew" is associated with Abram's grandpappy Eber-
A name applied to a foreigner (Genesis 39:14,17; 41:12, etc.), -Since Abram left his home of Ur & was told to go to Egypt, he would have been like a Mexican in America: An illegal immigrant.

The changing of his name to Abraham encases Cushite words or Ethiopian 4 word(s) Ab-ba-ra-ham
Ra is the God of Egypt & Ham is supposedly the first black man, "Ab" like "aborigines" or from the beginning and "Ba" a word meaning soul in Cushitic.. hence he is not called Ab-ba-Ya-Shem, for the God "Yah" whose chosen people from the descendant Shem...totally the opposite-Ab-ba-ra-ham.

Myself: I take it to come from the Hebrew word 'Abhar , "To pass over," a "sojourner" or "passer" into a foreign land which the Bible says Abram does- "settles in Egypt." aka (mizriam) who is a son of Ham, not Shem.

The Jewish faith I thought gets its origin from Abraham & the law through Moses --- the very laws Muslims adhere to from: no pork eating to choppin' mofo's heads off for the slightest of things.

And the people today, clearly call themselves names that doesn't denote Islam such as Hezbollah, Al Queada, ISIS, Dawa, Al-Sunnar. These people should be called that and not radical Islamists or extremist IMO...anymore than a Jew who wants to practice Tanakh (Old Testament) would then be called radical Jews. But this is just my opinion...

They Tanakh; would earn the radical Jew,or fundamentalist Jew name if they went out killing dudes all over the planet for political reasons though.

Thats what these other groups are doing and calling for, they themselves point to Islam as their source,they all made the claim,no us.

Mosques either preach jihad or they dont. These dudes who are going to Syria to join the cause and then attacking us in our own countries are coming out of the back rooms of Mosques.

[SlimTrae]

[QUOTE=Andre;1296899]

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

QUOTE]

They Tanakh; would earn the radical Jew,or fundamentalist Jew name if they went out killing dudes all over the planet for political reasons though.
You are correct-
However, this Tanakh at one point was used to justify slavery along with Muslims, yet the writers of that day- simply wrote-- (jews were wrongfully expulled for practising their religion...without making known what practises constituted being kicked out of so many nation.--so when the time came to call Jews on it..the media of that day refused...I wonder who controlled the press of that day?

I quote:
History of the Jews in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My point is- notice how history and now the media today is successful at calling Muslims who do foul shit..Muslims, yet history deletes any and all attrocities by Jews as anti-semitic.

Records of long-distance Jewish slave merchants date at least as far back as 492, when Pope Gelasius permitted Jews to import non-Christian slaves into Italy-- By the turn of the seventh century, Jews had become the chief slave traders in Italy, and were active in Gaelic territories--these for the slaves...that shit is called terrorism. But it was labeled as a business practice permitted by Jewish and Islamic law...

My point here: is the media has this thing where ANYTHING negative about Jews is called Anti-Semitic & anything negative about a Muslims..well hell thats just what Muslims do...

Yet History reveals those who practiced Judaism have been kicked out of many nations for practising slavery)

Thats what these other groups are doing and calling for, they themselves point to Islam as their source,they all made the claim,no us.

This is true.
As Floyd Mayweather makes the claim he is the TBE not us, Pssst. Say..bro.. Is that True? Floyd is the best ever...'cause he said so?
See that is my final point. To argue how the media allows the word Islam to be asscoiated with the assholes. Then we back it up & say...well they point to Islam. What Sura? MUslims have used the Koran to colonize what nations?

I see this as TOTALLY POLITICAL & the response to what Britain & America has done since the Balfour Declaration..show me a Muslim who conquered a people with Islam and I will point to Spain
in 711 AD when an African army, (Moors) or blackamoors under their leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad..Was this a fucked up period in the lives of the muslim conquered? Or a period of innovation?
Point: I dont hear anyone attributing the progress of Spain as Islamic.
History of Spain - The Moors

Didn't the Moors (Muslims) build splendid structures? their capital was Cordoba - thought to have been the most civilised city in Europe around the 10th century. Psst..where was the slavery? or the bombpackers? Or the muthas Hollerin Jihaad? Alla U akhbar...BOOM!!
Why has the media followed lock-step with historians who refused to tell us it may have been Muslims-The Moors in Spain..European territory that developed agriculture, irrigation-

If the media wanted to...they could report these clowns as Muslim wannabes? Right? They could call them what George Bush J said...the few who make Islam look bad, They (media) could compensate the Jihaddasts fools with what I just wrote...That Muslims have never enslaved a nation & when they traded slaves...it was Jewish merchants & ships that took them across the Slave Atlantic Trade- common white American were too poooorrrr to afford slaves in the South of America, yet that is not told by the media.

Mosques either preach jihad or they dont. These dudes who are going to Syria to join the cause and then attacking us in our own countries are coming out of the back rooms of Mosques.

We will have to agree to disagree here- Mosques IMO are like Churches; One church preached Baptist another Lutheran another Mormonism as Jesus came back and hung out In America, so, too with Islam. To blanket ALL mosques to me is following the media's agenda. Some mosques refuse to accept The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan as a Muslim -mostly Arabs- yet the white-skinned nation Turkey who has yet to be associated with terrorist...allowe Farrakhan to their country and treated him like a diplomat. You can google it youtube it. So this means each Mosque carries the agenda of the people in their region. And some mosques are being used as incubators for terror it is wrongand may Allah pay them just for it...but no sir not all mosques either preach it or don't..Hell some may sugges it

Yes, just like Klansmen came out of the front rooms of the churches & the head of the Klan is an ordained Minister?
And these Americans joining? How is that possibly different than Tim McVey the Oklahoma bomber who believed in Jesus..yet he wasnt called a radical christian..the media knew to call him a friigin UNI-Bomber

the media the media can say: These fools wanna be Mulsims, but they are radical orgnaizations who are killing for various reasons, then attributing to Islam.

[El Kabong]

The newsmedia did NOT refer to Tim McVeigh as the Unabomber that was Ted Kaczynski who sent mail bombs to Universities hence the moniker "Una-Bomber". Tim McVeigh was called a "right wing extremist" and attempts were made to place the blame of the Oklahoma City Bombing on Rush Limbaugh's radio show oddly enough.


If we want to be specific about Islam in regards to terrorism we must understand the sectarian nature of Islam. Much like Christianity is not 1 sect anymore Islam too has branches but instead of Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian Islam is broken up into ethnic groups which practice the religion separately: Shiites are Persians and Sunnis are Arabs, then you have the Kurds who are neither, and then you have subgroups like the Pashtuns. It's all very complex and convoluted. But here's how I break it down: The Islamic State, Al Qaeda are Sunnis...so we've got a bit of Sunni issue here