Andy Lee - Billy Joe Saunders, who wins?

[Fenster]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

[Lepinthehood]

Saunders outboxes lee

[ross]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

It might be refreshing but as a manager or promotor you would be concerned at where your fighters head is at when he says that he cant beat certain fighters. When you are pumping your own money in to promoting that fighter you want him to at least believe in himself.

England never do anything at the world cup but would never say they would be beaten and so would Germany in the same night by Brazil and as a supporter you wouldn't want to hear that either.

Maybe thats why frank has put him in with someone who has 9 losses. Maybe Saunders needs the confidence boost.

[Master]

It's refreshing to hear a young fighter say "Golovkin would kill me and him on the same night." It's called being a realist.

Billy Joe will box Lee's head off but might not be strong enough to win. Good fight.

Judging by Lee-Quillin - Eubank jr would beat both now.

It might be refreshing but as a manager or promotor you would be concerned at where your fighters head is at when he says that he cant beat certain fighters. When you are pumping your own money in to promoting that fighter you want him to at least believe in himself.

England never do anything at the world cup but would never say they would be beaten and so would Germany in the same night by Brazil and as a supporter you wouldn't want to hear that either.

Maybe thats why frank has put him in with someone who has 9 losses. Maybe Saunders needs the confidence boost.

What Saunders said is the truth and he should be applauded with his honesty. Not criticised for lacking confidence and self belief.

[Primo Carnera]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

[ross]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

[Primo Carnera]

[QUOTE=ross;1317741]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.
that's right, and like I said, if Saunders was fighting GGG, he would say the same. Do you seriously think that Saunders would chicken out of a fight with GGG? Get real.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!
it's not embarrassing, I'm not the only person to say that his honesty is refreshing. If he got in the ring with GGG, It wouldn't make any difference what he said.

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.
I did say it came from the Eubank camp, I know it was a Eubank fucking Sr. Who said it! However, Jr. Has backed that up as well. As for supposedly whiny , snivelly, wimpy,rubbish, well I'd rather hear that than some novice and his pushy parent say he could beat the best fighter in the division on this planet tomorrow, because that smacks of a disrespectful , delusional,arrogant twat who has achieved absolutely fuck all yet, and it also makes every fighter in between him and GGG in the division think "what a cunt!"

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?
Of course you have to believe in yourself, but more importantly, you have to back it up or risk making yourself look a complete cunt. And let's not forget , the 1st time he stepped up (to nowhere near GGG's level btw.) he fucking lost, and I don't give a flying fuck about whether YOU THINK HE WON , or how close it was, he FUCKING LOST!!!!

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

Exactly! We pay to watch a fight, we don't pay to see which fighter talks themselves up the most, or has the most belief, we ultimately pay to see what they can do in the ring! And so far, he has not delivered anywhere near what he and HIS CAMP think he can do.
The difference is that his old man talked and still talks shit, but knows it's a game, and then you back it up , and fair play to him, he did. But Jr. Hasn't been told the script, this fucker genuinely believes he is the second coming of Christ!!!!!
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[Silkeyjoe]

Lee is tough but can be hurt and can punch and he can only come from behind so many times. He was lucky to to walk away with his belt here. Saunders will be too tricky for him.

Belt wasnt on the line so not really lucky . I think its a close fight. If its in Ireland Ill slightly favour Lee and if in England probably pick em.

[IamInuit]

With a summer show down iminent who wins

I think experience and power is the difference in this fight.

[ross]

[QUOTE=Primo Carnera;1317761]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.
that's right, and like I said, if Saunders was fighting GGG, he would say the same. Do you seriously think that Saunders would chicken out of a fight with GGG? Get real.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!
it's not embarrassing, I'm not the only person to say that his honesty is refreshing. If he got in the ring with GGG, It wouldn't make any difference what he said.

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.
I did say it came from the Eubank camp, I know it was a Eubank fucking Sr. Who said it! However, Jr. Has backed that up as well. As for supposedly whiny , snivelly, wimpy,rubbish, well I'd rather hear that than some novice and his pushy parent say he could beat the best fighter in the division on this planet tomorrow, because that smacks of a disrespectful , delusional,arrogant twat who has achieved absolutely fuck all yet, and it also makes every fighter in between him and GGG in the division think "what a cunt!"

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?
Of course you have to believe in yourself, but more importantly, you have to back it up or risk making yourself look a complete cunt. And let's not forget , the 1st time he stepped up (to nowhere near GGG's level btw.) he fucking lost, and I don't give a flying fuck about whether YOU THINK HE WON , or how close it was, he FUCKING LOST!!!!

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

Exactly! We pay to watch a fight, we don't pay to see which fighter talks themselves up the most, or has the most belief, we ultimately pay to see what they can do in the ring! And so far, he has not delivered anywhere near what he and HIS CAMP think he can do.
The difference is that his old man talked and still talks shit, but knows it's a game, and then you back it up , and fair play to him, he did. But Jr. Hasn't been told the script, this fucker genuinely believes he is the second coming of Christ!!!!!
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A novice that had never fought beyond 8 rounds that a judge has a win over Saunders ,a Saunders in the best shape he'd ever been in and was still the weaker in the second half.

Mark these words. Saunders will beat Lee decisively, there will be no question who won unlike the Eubank fight.

Eubank took a daft jump in class and very very nearly pulled it off. His first decent opponent and he gives Saunders thetoughest fight of his career and I guarantee you it will be tougher than Lee will give him. Lee will wait all night to throw a big shot. At least Eubank only waited 5 rounds

[Primo Carnera]

[QUOTE=ross;1318313]

To be fair to Saunders , I think the point he was making was to highlight the ridiculousness of the comments made by the the Eubank camp that Jr. (Bearing in mind that at the time he was no more than a novice) "could beat Golovkin tomorrow , and the only boxer on the planet that would beat him in the MW AND SMW divisions was Andre Ward!
If by chance Saunders was due to fight GGG , I don't think he would be saying anything different to what Martin Murray said in his build up. Along the lines of "GGG is a great fighter and I'll be honest I haven't seen many weaknesses , but I think I can win."
Nobody thought Murray was being defeatist, just honest.

Murray wasn't being defeatist. He said he thought he could win.
that's right, and like I said, if Saunders was fighting GGG, he would say the same. Do you seriously think that Saunders would chicken out of a fight with GGG? Get real.

Saunders says he himself has no chance against Golovkin. Its embarrassing, have some gumption!
it's not embarrassing, I'm not the only person to say that his honesty is refreshing. If he got in the ring with GGG, It wouldn't make any difference what he said.

It was actually Eubank Sr that said all this and really, who gives a fuck? Id rather hear a fighter say he's going to beat another than listen to whiny, snivelly, wimpy, rubbish.
I did say it came from the Eubank camp, I know it was a Eubank fucking Sr. Who said it! However, Jr. Has backed that up as well. As for supposedly whiny , snivelly, wimpy,rubbish, well I'd rather hear that than some novice and his pushy parent say he could beat the best fighter in the division on this planet tomorrow, because that smacks of a disrespectful , delusional,arrogant twat who has achieved absolutely fuck all yet, and it also makes every fighter in between him and GGG in the division think "what a cunt!"

You have to believe in yourself or no one will get behind you. Who's going to want to watch a fighter who thinks the result is full gone conclusion against him? Would you pay for that?
Of course you have to believe in yourself, but more importantly, you have to back it up or risk making yourself look a complete cunt. And let's not forget , the 1st time he stepped up (to nowhere near GGG's level btw.) he fucking lost, and I don't give a flying fuck about whether YOU THINK HE WON , or how close it was, he FUCKING LOST!!!!

Would you fuck! We pay to watch a fight!

Exactly! We pay to watch a fight, we don't pay to see which fighter talks themselves up the most, or has the most belief, we ultimately pay to see what they can do in the ring! And so far, he has not delivered anywhere near what he and HIS CAMP think he can do.
The difference is that his old man talked and still talks shit, but knows it's a game, and then you back it up , and fair play to him, he did. But Jr. Hasn't been told the script, this fucker genuinely believes he is the second coming of Christ!!!!!
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A novice that had never fought beyond 8 rounds that a judge has a win over Saunders ,a Saunders in the best shape he'd ever been in and was still the weaker in the second half.

Mark these words. Saunders will beat Lee decisively, there will be no question who won unlike the Eubank fight.

Eubank took a daft jump in class and very very nearly pulled it off. His first decent opponent and he gives Saunders thetoughest fight of his career and I guarantee you it will be tougher than Lee will give him. Lee will wait all night to throw a big shot. At least Eubank only waited 5 rounds

IMO he didn't nearly pull it off, but you are quite right , at least one of the judges thought he did, and that's way more important than what I think. Don't disagree with anything you said.

[Silkeyjoe]

Dont put yourself down and good boxing fans opinion is just as good as a boxing judge. Look at the scandalous scores some judges come out with. Plenty are just unexplainable and are beyond reason.

[Primo Carnera]

Dont put yourself down and good boxing fans opinion is just as good as a boxing judge. Look at the scandalous scores some judges come out with. Plenty are just unexplainable and are beyond reason.

Agree with what you're saying, We've seen some horror decisions,but I meant that the judges opinion is more important because at the end of the day it's what they think that goes in the history books.not always right or fair, but as Bruce Hornsby once said "that's just the way it is."

[ross]

Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!

Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.

One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.

That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.

[Silkeyjoe]

Unfortunately judges can be influenced by the crowd. Iv sat next to a judge who awarded the home favourite a fight he didn't deserve because 800 drunk locals were cheering for him. He actually said to me "we cant have him losing if we want to walk out"!

Now imagine a crowd of 20,000 probably half are travellers there to see Saunders beat Eubank.

One traveller right behind me in someone else's seat said if Saunders loses evacuate the building because its getting turned over.

That was one brave judge, going against the crowd and on a Warren show against a Warren fighter. Maybe he was the right one.

Thats completely different. Home fighters just dont lose fights on these small cards. Its all part of the game. They know the ticket seller needs to win so he can sell tickets for the next fight. Always the way with up and comers and always will be.

Kristian Laight - Boxer

This guy is good enough to have beaten at least 50% of his fights but he knows if he does he wont get a call to fight the next week and wont make his livelihood.

The excuse of Saunders being a home fighter and there was loads of travellers at the fight for Eubank losing is just pathetic. He lost because he got his tactics wrong and started far too slow. Plain and simple.