Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston

[ICB]

Time - 23:00 - 00:00 (1 hour long)



When - Saturday 5th May on ESPN Classic



Clay V Liston.
1964 - Classic archive action from the fight that 'shook up the world'. Reigning champ Liston faces an arrogant, exuberant opponent in young Cassius Clay.

[Beanflicker]

I'll be sure to watch.

[brocktonblockbust]

Bill?

[Bill Paxtom]

Bill?

The bout was a 'choreographed fraud'.

Pre-Fight Backroom Discussions

1 > Sonny needed Money
2 > Sonny had his Boxing License yanked from 47 of the 50 States.
3 > The European Boxing Union had banned Sonny in September 1963.
4 > Sonny's handlers {The Nilon Group} wanted out.
5 > Sonny decided to 'play ball'.

[Master]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

[Bill Paxtom]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

[Master]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

He will always be Muhammad Ali to me.

[Bill Paxtom]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

He will always be Muhammad Ali to me.

'Ass-Smoochio'

Are you aware, that he was also ........ 'Cassius X'

He will always be Cassius Clay to me......... See below

[beenKOed]

Bill is a hard and unforgiving man, but you always know where he stands. That's a good thing.

[Bill Paxtom]

Bill is a hard and unforgiving man, but you always know where he stands. That's a good thing.

Thank You Sir.

I would like to think that I am 'Fair and Balanced' in my judgment of Mr. Cassius Clay.

I have never said anywhere near the 'bad things' that Cassius Clay had said.

I am, the Scale of Justice.

[Lineal]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

[Bill Paxtom]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

[Master]

Cassius X is not stealing from Malcolm it was what was done by the group. Just as if someone uses Sugar in boxing does not mean they stole it from Ray Robinson.

[Lineal]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

Did Ali legally change his name or not? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

[Bill Paxtom]

Do not listen to bill's bull. The fight was real. Ali at his best.

In your 3rd sentence, you got the young fella's name wrong.

It was Cassius Clay on February 25, 1964.

Check the signature on the contract.............. Cassius Clay.

Ali legally changed his name. Sure it was Clay then but it is Ali now. Check yourself. Don't correct others when you are continuously erroneous.

Hold on, you pulled 'a boner' there Mr. Lineal.

Cassius Clay started calling himself 'Cassius X' first. Stealing that moniker from Malcolm X.

He never legally changed his name at first.

Make a note of it.

Did Ali legally change his name or not? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

His Mother,

Who brought Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr. into this World, never accepted it.

That's good enough for me.

Odessa Grady Clay >
"Oh, Cassius has been calling himself all sorts of names since he was little. He wanted to be
Mickey Mantle, then Willie Mays. But he couldn't really play Baseball. He wasn't that good in
Sports, other than Boxing."

"He wanted to be Jack Johnson. Sometimes he wanted to be Jack Dempsey, and other
times it was Floyd Patterson. He always wrote those names on his sweatshirt when he
went to the boxing matches."

"For a while, he was calling himself 'Young Jack Johnson'. I thought that was funny,
because Jack Johnson was really flamboyant, and my son was so reserved and shy."

"But this name changing stuff. Oh it's just a phase to get some publicity. If it doesn't work,
he will come up with another name. But, no matter what, he will always be Cassius to me."