What's up with Keith "One Time" Thurman?

[Silkeyjoe]

Well hes chasing the Mayweather fight so not really an option to handpick a bum. In saying that beating Collazo shouldnt get you into contention to fight Mayweather.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.

[Silkeyjoe]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.

Once Haymon gets a monopoly things will get better. Need a UFC style organisation. THe problem in boxing is you have a couple of losses and no one will pay to see you anymore. All this having to "earn" the right to fight someone is just crap. The best should just be fighting the best. Could you imagine this in any other sport where competitors can blatantly duck other fighters?

[Master]

I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?

First -- you moan and groan because you don't like a particular fight. Second -- you're denigrating fans, many of whom wont share your opinion about what makes a good fight, for "accepting" what you believe is crap, yet here you are tuning in to watch.

Well yeah. I'm a boxing fan. Of course I'm a hypocrite. I watch every fight i have the time to watch. Doesn't mean i have to defend them though. The sport is getting so fights that aren't damn near decided before the men get in the ring are more and more rare. More than quality i want to see competition. I admit with every possible bit of humility that i was wrong about the action of this fight in one round.

Once Haymon gets a monopoly things will get better. Need a UFC style organisation. THe problem in boxing is you have a couple of losses and no one will pay to see you anymore. All this having to "earn" the right to fight someone is just crap. The best should just be fighting the best. Could you imagine this in any other sport where competitors can blatantly duck other fighters?

It happens in athletics Bolt is ducking at the moment.

[IamInuit]

Collazo has been making stars look bad since Hatton. Thurman did not look good and seemed completely out of his gord when he took a step back. He was also really wide inside with his shots. But he has looked good in other fights. Khan and Berto are 1 and 2 so one or the other. Either is a major step up. I think Thurman is severely flawed and that's why he's almost being protected. Who knows what would have happened if that body shot happened earlier in the round.

[imp]

Bradley and khan own keith.

[Sleepwalker]

Bradley and khan own keith.

I came here specifically to post that Bradley would have outpointed Thurman Saturday night. In the 116-112 range.

[Master]

Bradley and khan own keith.

I came here specifically to post that Bradley would have outpointed Thurman Saturday night. In the 116-112 range.

Thurman would not have risked fighting Bradley with the rumoured injury Atlas mentioned.

[Silkeyjoe]

Wow, i was just reading another sites description of the Harrison/Nelson fight and the guy was saying Harrison was boxing beautifully and dominating until he was stopped. Where as here i said he looked like he was coming apart in the 4th. How can 2 people watch the same thing and see something completely different?

I took Willie to win in a challenge, honestly thought he would win and dont even consider it an upset. Listening to the crew you would think Willie just beat Napoles.

I don't watch enough fighters to compete in those things. You folks knowledge astounds me. But I think I have a good eye for recognizing what's actually happening in a fight.

I dont know what you guys were watching. Harrison was winning comfortably. Think I gave nelson 1 of the 1st 7

[Rantcatrat]

I've heard people say that ever since Jesus Soto Karass wobbled Keith in the first round of their fight that Keith has become more of a back-peddler and less of a dynamic puncher. When was the last time he stopped someone by a punch?

[Kirkland Laing]

He has spent a lot of his last few fights going backwards. Getting hurt to the body by a non-puncher recovering alcoholic and then being on the back foot against him is not a sign of grat things to come from Mr. Thurman. They put him in with a non-puncher to give him a showcase and he failed to show his case. I'm getting less impressed every time I see him fight. I'd love to see him fight Khan.

[IamInuit]

I think Thurman is a bit of a hypejob and I really do think that Haymon is holding him back on purpose until Floyd leaves. Even that call out of Floyd seemed fake. He actually had to be prodded to do it. Haymon probably still goes to Floyd for advice. I'd almost wager Floyd is a major silent player in his company and will most likely end up there after retirement

But I cant rationally say that because of Collazo the guys got nothing. We all know how difficult that guy is and a southpaw to boot. But also this kind of thing happens when fighters are not tested earlier before they meet a gatekeeper. Sure Luis was older but the tricks and ring savvy dont vanish. Thurman never faced anyone even remotely like Collazo. Hatton didn't either before their fight and lots of people think Ricky lost.

I think he gets a pass for not looking spectacular and we all need to take a step back in the overall judgement of a guy after just one fight. It did tell us things though and future opponents. He has issues with movement, cant go backwards at all most likely from a career thus far of fighting people that stood right in front of him. He wants the booth. He also may be soft in the body because that shot was not that huge and lets not forget who threw it. But in fairness placed right it does not have to be a battering ram.

And I found the stoppage weird. Should you not wait first to see if the cut man can do his job. Pass me a tin foil hat and I might say the storyline was not going well and a signal was sent. Btw I liked Thurman a lot when he first burst on the scene but for a guy who is really not fighting anyone, he needs to plug his mouth because everyone knows he's not deciding. Different story when you can make your call out happen. I bet Haymon tells him how much red meat he's allowed to eat a week.



Anyway Haymon needs to get busy and start matching his A team against each other. Careers are composting in mediocrity.

[Sleepwalker]

Thurman already knew loooooong before Saturday's fight that he was out of the Floyd sweepstakes. He was just blowing smoke.

This division has taken a nose dive over the past 12 months. Thurman, Khan, Broner and Porter have all had setbacks lately.

[Master]

Thurman already knew loooooong before Saturday's fight that he was out of the Floyd sweepstakes. He was just blowing smoke.

This division has taken a nose dive over the past 12 months. Thurman, Khan, Broner and Porter have all had setbacks lately.

These guys will fight one another as soon as Floyd and Manny piss off and retire.

[Spicoli]

Wow, i was just reading another sites description of the Harrison/Nelson fight and the guy was saying Harrison was boxing beautifully and dominating until he was stopped. Where as here i said he looked like he was coming apart in the 4th. How can 2 people watch the same thing and see something completely different?

I took Willie to win in a challenge, honestly thought he would win and dont even consider it an upset. Listening to the crew you would think Willie just beat Napoles.

I don't watch enough fighters to compete in those things. You folks knowledge astounds me. But I think I have a good eye for recognizing what's actually happening in a fight.

I dont know what you guys were watching. Harrison was winning comfortably. Think I gave nelson 1 of the 1st 7

I had it about 5-3 Harrison but he looked like a guy unraveling and feeling the power after round 2. Once Tony was unable to shake Nelson and started exchanging in spots it had the feel of Nelson hurting him gradually and getting a tko when and if he jumped him late.