Scientific Fraud

[El Kabong]

Just not coming from someone who hasn't found issues in capitalism or conservatism, strictly liberalism- which to the right; is a code word for Marxism and socialism. Find a conservative that is exposing something & I guarantee it's not in their own camp. Find a Conservative defending an African-American- and it's about their right to think as a Conservative and nothing more.

But this is the point, these universities are not liberal in the dictionary definition of the term, they are quite ILLIBERAL as a matter of fact. The Universities have quashed debate...that's not what universities are for!

AEI is "center-right" whatever that would mean to you, but Christina Hoff Sommers is a 2nd wave Feminist and even SHE finds this babying of college students (and professors) insane!

Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

William Jefferson White founder of Morehouse College was a Republican. Sophia B. Packard & Harriet E. Giles who founded Spelman....were Republicans.

Those who seek to implement some sort of rigid class system are "progressives"...Democrats, the "liberals" or so they like to be called....but if they were in fact liberal then they would not focus so much on taking offense as they would on attempting to understand other points of view or simply allowing others to have different views.

the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War

So Kuwait didn't benefit from the United States driving Saddam's armies out of Kuwait and away from their oil fields?

I'm not offended by that view which is different than my own, I am questioning it....and that is the difference between myself, who is open and willing to engage in debate rather than silence it like so many so called establishments of higher learning.

[El Kabong]

Here you go perhaps this will help you understand more of what I am talking about. FIRE stands for Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and was established by: Alan Charles Kors and Harvey A. Silverglate. Kors is a Libertarian and Silverglate was a member of the ACLU.

The ACLU.....not really a "conservative" group

[El Kabong]

And again

[El Kabong]

One of the founders of FIRE .....hardly a "conservative"

[SlimTrae]

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But this is the point, these universities are not liberal in the dictionary definition of the term, they are quite ILLIBERAL as a matter of fact. The Universities have quashed debate...that's not what universities are for!

Using the word liberal doesn't change the fact that Maloney only addresses issues with those who call themselves liberals. Whether they define the word with their actions or not, they are still the source of his attacks or what he sees wrong with the colleges of today. I agree, but expanded it to tuition being messed up also. He's silent on that- or anything that doesn't point toward a Democratic voter be they liberal by definition or not. & When you say the university quashed the debates that's not what they are there for. I mentioned that. Only AFTER Conservatives have taken complaint. Universities have long indoctrinated the masses- it is being questioned today- by the demographic feeling the heat.


AEI is "center-right" whatever that would mean to you, but Christina Hoff Sommers is a 2nd wave Feminist and even SHE finds this babying of college students (and professors) insane!


I don't subscribe to labels. I deal with the actions of people. Center right, Liberal, Conservative, Marxist, Socialist see that I is what I am against. Defining with a label sometimes allow people to ignore those subjected to it- because the label given has a negative connotation. I can now say- yeah, whatever that came from a liberal/conservative source-as if they can't produced truth from time to time. Unfortunately I see one group of people today constantly labeling others: Conservative thinkers.

Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

William Jefferson White founder of Morehouse College was a Republican. Sophia B. Packard & Harriet E. Giles who founded Spelman....were Republicans.


That is correct. As I've written in my book- Blacks were Republicans for 100 years: my star character is one. From Douglas to King Jr. But today we are not. What happened that Conservatives point out what we (used) to be and not why we are no longer that? Something called Jim Crow Laws for one and the many-many Dixie-crats who were so against blacks voting- that what did these racist Democrats do? They changed parties, my man. Please address my point of bringing him up- he knew he had no power in tears, crying or picketing the institutions in question. He built his own institution of higher learning. Others followed suit.

Those who seek to implement some sort of rigid class system are "progressives"...Democrats, the "liberals" or so they like to be called....but if they were in fact liberal then they would not focus so much on taking offense as they would on attempting to understand other points of view or simply allowing others to have different views.

I agree. It is too bad that so many people who are teachers, professors are not conservatives. They should have raised more of their children to think about teaching, but as a result the colleges are imbalanced with Democratic voters be they liberal or progressive more of them chose to teach.

[SlimTrae]

the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War

So Kuwait didn't benefit from the United States driving Saddam's armies out of Kuwait and away from their oil fields?

IMO this is an imbalanced question. I gave a specific example. 1st I agreed with the one who claimed the war benefited his family, please acknowledge that I did. Then I stated there are (2) sides. Those who benefited and an example of those who didn't (thousands of girls) exploited- would you like links to prove it? And as you stated Kuwait benefited I agree again- while Saddam was left in power to continue fucking over the Iraqis. Why did Kuwait deserve liberating from Saddam and not Iraq? Why not address that when this all went down- the Intifada began- the rebellion against Saddam (internally)- only for General Norman Schwarzkopf to give back flying rights to Saddam- And he murdered the shit out of his own people- see the documentary called Hindyia Road- as this documentary linked here refuses to point it out. It gives 1 side.
So yes sir. Kuwait benefited, but Iraq didn't. My point made again- conservatives tend to view a single side of an issue.

I'm not offended by that view which is different than my own, I am questioning it....and that is the difference between myself, who is open and willing to engage in debate rather than silence it like so many so called establishments of higher learning.[/QUOTE]

It is good to debate it, so as long as it is being debated objectively. Stating liberals aren't really liberals- their Marxists, socialists IMO is not discussing; its insulting one side-even if there is truth in it. Lets say they are. So what are Conservatives and capitalists that the Republican voter cant find fault in any way or form? Maloney sees no fault of Republicans in how so few of them chose to teach. They are outnumbered. That's their fault for being the few professors standing up to the many So-called socialist professors who vote Democrat. That is the difference between myself and the conservative. I see shit fucked up with liberals and conservatives-mostly that they only see one side: their side.

[SlimTrae]

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Here you go perhaps this will help you understand more of what I am talking about. FIRE stands for Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and was established by: Alan Charles Kors and Harvey A. Silverglate. Kors is a Libertarian and Silverglate was a member of the ACLU.

The ACLU.....not really a "conservative" group[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your links, but again we will have to agree to disagree. I completely understand. Hopefully you don't equate my disagreeing with you as not understanding and equating agreement with understanding: I understand and disagree that these links present (both) sides of the issue.

Again- If someone other than Maloney presented these (facts) I could see it as non-partisan documentary.

As far as the ACLU- I have never met a conservative who liked them. They are the antithesis of Conservatism. Accept for the time Rush Limbaugh used them

[El Kabong]

Ok, perhaps you're missing the point I am making due to the semantics of terms I am using like "Conservative" and "Liberal".


What is happening on college campuses maybe best described not in terms of political leanings left vs right or liberal vs conservative, but more in terms of a power struggle. Gaining control of the power on these college campuses was done in the 1960's and 1970's when STUDENTS were protesting the Vietnam War and Civil Rights, valid causes to protest, and those students wanted the right to speak freely, to question authorities which were sending them off to war or telling certain people they cannot eat here or sleep there or date a person of the opposing race, and rightfully so. But when those students graduated and then gained positions of prominence in the universities as Graduate Assistants, Professors, Tenured Professors, Administrators, Deans, Alumni etc....they then used their power to silence dissent and even keep students from THINKING differently.

The suppressing of free speech and the suppression of "bad thoughts" is Authoritarian and it's the exact opposite of what should be happening on college campuses. These young adults need to think, they need to question, they need to have those freedoms to exercise their minds. Stopping debate altogether is what has happened and there are many many many MANY examples of how and why groupthink is a horrible thing.

[walrus]

You two kick ass. I think you should get together and form a podcast

[El Kabong]

As far as the ACLU- I have never met a conservative who liked them. They are the antithesis of Conservatism. Accept for the time Rush Limbaugh used them

Jesse Helms.....was a card carrying member of the ACLU

[SlimTrae]

You two kick ass. I think you should get together and form a podcast

Punch each other's lights out then thank God at the end for a chance to do it!!


Ok, perhaps you're missing the point I am making due to the semantics of terms I am using like "Conservative" and "Liberal".

Last post well thought out. I agree. Actually in its entirety!! & I used 1 sentence to say it!

[El Kabong]

You two kick ass. I think you should get together and form a podcast

Punch each other's lights out then thank God at the end for a chance to do it!!


Ok, perhaps you're missing the point I am making due to the semantics of terms I am using like "Conservative" and "Liberal".

Last post well thought out. I agree. Actually in its entirety!! & I used 1 sentence to say it!

Thank you, Slim, you provide a real challenge in debate, you never let anything slip past you, and you are very sound and well reasoned in your responses.


I feel like we've written a book

[walrus]

You two kick ass. I think you should get together and form a podcast

Punch each other's lights out then thank God at the end for a chance to do it!!


Ok, perhaps you're missing the point I am making due to the semantics of terms I am using like "Conservative" and "Liberal".

Last post well thought out. I agree. Actually in its entirety!! & I used 1 sentence to say it!

I find myself wondering if slim is as loquacious in person as he is in writing.

[El Kabong]

[El Kabong]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/op...?emc=eta1&_r=1


So if you don't believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change then you're no better than a Nazi.....so sayeth Timothy Snyder.

Denying science imperils the future by summoning the ghosts of the past.

....yes......"science"