Zab Judah!

[jabvargas24]

Its good to see im not the last "Super" Judah fan on this forum.Zab will be back and he will get his belts back.Hopefully we can see a rematch between him and PBF.

[Hulk]

Zab Judah has only one hope of becoming a champ again, and this is going back down to 140 where he belongs, he has no physicality, awful stamina and a terrible chin, yes he is quick, agile and has unbelivable range control going forward, decent power, but he cannot take a punch, is terrible when pressured, and has little desire when it ain't going his way. There's no question about his talents, buit there's also no question he has many weaknesses.

Judah's a hell of a lot more talented than Hatton.

I semi-agree with that. Zab is more gifted in the speed department, reactions etc, but whats the point in having talent if you don't train well, have any focus, or strength. Hatton has the right genetics to be what he is, i.e musclar endurance, strength, so you could call that talent, plus he trains harder than anyone. Does zab do 30 mins straight, hitting a bag for a round constantly, all power combos, sprint to other side of gym, jump over a four foot beam for a round, sprint to bag etc. with no rest or anything of comparison? Hatton was born to train, Judah was born to fail. If Zab worked as hard as Hatton or Floyd in the gym, had the dedication, focus and toughness, he could be as good or better. Zab gases in every fight, and never throws enough punches in a round ever.

Hatton didn't train so hard for Collazo apparently. And Judah is a better fighter than Hatton, maybe not consistently, but when each is at his best, Zab is better.

[yoitsdan]

Judah got beat by Tszyu, Spinks, Baldomir AND Mayweather doesn't that show he doesn't belong there? Hatton is 10 times the fighter Judah is, and he would absolutly destroy Zab, I tried to be diplomatic, but facts are facts.

[p4pking]

Judah got beat by Tszyu, Spinks, Baldomir AND Mayweather doesn't that show he doesn't belong there? Hatton is 10 times the fighter Judah is, and he would absolutly destroy Zab, I tried to be diplomatic, but facts are facts.

hah. hah. hah. So it's a fact that Hatton is 10 times better then Zab because he trains harder... even though all Hulk ever said is that Judah is much more TALENTED. What you then did, is go on about everything that Zab isn't better at, but you couldn't really address the talent issue could you. And saying that Hatton would destroy Zab is also so intelligent and diplomatic of you, considering Hatton has shown so much prominence in fighting welterweight southpaws. Not saying he couldn't win, it's a pick em fight for me.

[Purist]

Zab Judah has only one hope of becoming a champ again, and this is going back down to 140 where he belongs, he has no physicality, awful stamina and a terrible chin, yes he is quick, agile and has unbelivable range control going forward, decent power, but he cannot take a punch, is terrible when pressured, and has little desire when it ain't going his way. There's no question about his talents, buit there's also no question he has many weaknesses.

Come the fuk on. Zab's chin ain't terrible, PBF didn't hurt him ONCE, NOT ONCE, and his stamina ain't bad either. Judah's a hell of a lot more talented than Hatton.

Well Floyd mostly went to the body, for one thing... And he also doesn't have much power at all for a welterweight.. Judah's chin IS very weak, look how badly Baldomir hurt him with an average right hand..

Yeah and Baldomir knocked out Gatti and hurt him on several occasions with that "average right hand" so I guess Zab has a chin of granite compared to Gatti eh?

[Purist]

Not gunna quote that El Game, but I do believe your out of line in saying Chavez was more competitive then Zab, in fact that's probably the most ridiculous thing Ive heard you post, no offence. Zab was actually DOMINATING Floyd for 4 or 5 rounds, noone ever caught him with the same kind of punches or consistently controlled the action as much... I feel Castillo and Zab are basically tied in that regard, Castillo won more rounds and probably deserved the win, but Zab still had Floyd in the most trouble, imo. He did drop him, and hurt him a couple times at least.

I've only seen the fight twice but I remember Lederman and Merchant having it close,I had PBF ahead by 2,Merchant 2 and Lederman 1 and fair enough,Chavez was getting beaten on but he made it his type of fight,it's just PBF was better than him in every aspect. Zab did not DOMINATE like you say,PBF was thinking his way around it,how can you prove Floyd was trying his best? When did he hurt Floyd a couple of times? I take no offence because I have justified why I think it was close. Zab won those rounds because PBF was doing nothing,thinking,how many punches did he throw during those rounds? What happened when he actually started becoming active?

Ok, so Floyd wasn't trying his best... THat's what you think? Hell.. It's not like he's a professional athlete in a brutal sport where your life is on the line and you train for months on end for one fight.. Im sure he was just dicking around. You already disproved yourself too really, by admitting that PBF is better then Chavez in every aspect... He isn't better than Judah in every aspect, in fact 2 crucial aspects, speed and power... Zab has more of both, and he WAS dominating early because of it.. Sure Floyd began to outclass him but it was a combination of Judah tiring and Floyds body work paying off... If you watch the fight carefully Floyd comes forward almost the entire time, his plan was clearly to pressure Zab all night, and imo, he had alot more trouble then he bargained for in doing so early.

CC P4P

[Purist]

Judah got beat by Tszyu, Spinks, Baldomir AND Mayweather doesn't that show he doesn't belong there? Hatton is 10 times the fighter Judah is, and he would absolutly destroy Zab, I tried to be diplomatic, but facts are facts.

Yeah and only one had the guts to rematch him and we saw what happened to Spinks Neither Mayweather, tszyu or Baldomir would ever fight Zab in a rematch. BALDOMIR EVEN SAID THE ONLY REASON HE BEAT ZAB WAS BECAUSE ZAB UNDERESTIMATED HIM! So you know for damn sure he isn't fighting a prepared Zab again Mayweather don't have to. And Tszyu didn't want to until he lost his title(Tszyu to Hatton). Sure in terms of talent you could put Zab as one of the best p4p TALENTED fighters in the last 20 years. but in terms of using it he is beneath those like Tszyu and Mayweather and them at the moment. because with the talent he has he shouldn't have lost to Tszyu and Baldomir, but he did and that shows that Talent is one thing, but using your talent is another.

[Hairdoo]

Judah got beat by Tszyu, Spinks, Baldomir AND Mayweather doesn't that show he doesn't belong there? Hatton is 10 times the fighter Judah is, and he would absolutly destroy Zab, I tried to be diplomatic, but facts are facts.

Yeah and only one had the guts to rematch him and we saw what happened to Spinks Neither Mayweather, tszyu or Baldomir would ever fight Zab in a rematch. BALDOMIR EVEN SAID THE ONLY REASON HE BEAT ZAB WAS BECAUSE ZAB UNDERESTIMATED HIM! So you know for damn sure he isn't fighting a prepared Zab again Mayweather don't have to. And Tszyu didn't want to until he lost his title(Tszyu to Hatton). Sure in terms of talent you could put Zab as one of the best p4p TALENTED fighters in the last 20 years. but in terms of using it he is beneath those like Tszyu and Mayweather and them at the moment. because with the talent he has he shouldn't have lost to Tszyu and Baldomir, but he did and that shows that Talent is one thing, but using your talent is another.

yeah good point.. I'll tell you a little secret... and it pains me to say but like most I actually picked Zab over Kostya.

Judah is without a doubt possibly the greatest waste of boxing talent I have seen in my life.

[Purist]

Maybe its like Hopkins said about Tarver "He's brilliant... the second time around."

Wouldn't call Zab the biggest waste of talent since he has until his career is over to prove that wrong. But a BIG STEP to the right direction is getting a trainer(not McGirt where everyone else seems to go) But someone like Manny. MANNY could bring the greatest out of him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Zab is a mentally weak fighter. Add to that his porcelain chin and his unwarranted/undeserved arrogance in and out of the ring...you have a chump, not a champ

Zab Judah is the Mike Tyson of the welterweight, not in the fact that he has the same talent Mike did, only in the aspect that if you figure out his one and only strategy he'll break down and fold up and let you beat on him, then he'll take a cheap shot to your sack to try and make things go his way

[CJA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7iBFw0y2Y

[yoitsdan]

I hate it when people don't face facts, Judah is a waste of talent, all welters are scared of Margarito, Mayweather is beatable, and Hatton beat Collazo, who is probably a top 5 welter. Oh, and Tszyu was a legend, and should come back!

[ElTerribleMorales]

I hate it when people don't face facts, Judah is a waste of talent, all welters are scared of Margarito, Mayweather is beatable, and Hatton beat Collazo, who is probably a top 5 welter. Oh, and Tszyu was a legend, and should come back!

CC and right on, i agree with all of the above, Margarito isn't the best in the division but nobody dares to fight him, Mayweather will get his ass handed to him at 154 if he goes in against DLH or even at welter if he fights Mosley, Hatton beat Collazo (at least i had him winning even if it was just barely), Judah is nothing great, just another fighter that made very little noise and was quickly silenced, and that will be completely forgotten ten years from now, if Gatti isn't going in the hall of fame, well Judah sure as hell isn't

[El Gamo]

I hate it when people don't face facts, Judah is a waste of talent, all welters are scared of Margarito, Mayweather is beatable, and Hatton beat Collazo, who is probably a top 5 welter. Oh, and Tszyu was a legend, and should come back!

CC and right on, i agree with all of the above, Margarito isn't the best in the division but nobody dares to fight him, Mayweather will get his ass handed to him at 154 if he goes in against DLH or even at welter if he fights Mosley, Hatton beat Collazo (at least i had him winning even if it was just barely), Judah is nothing great, just another fighter that made very little noise and was quickly silenced, and that will be completely forgotten ten years from now, if Gatti isn't going in the hall of fame, well Judah sure as hell isn't

CC to both of you,except I disagree with the points on Floyd,I don't think either beats him although I hope I'm wrong.

Judah got beat by Tszyu, Spinks, Baldomir AND Mayweather doesn't that show he doesn't belong there? Hatton is 10 times the fighter Judah is, and he would absolutly destroy Zab, I tried to be diplomatic, but facts are facts.

Yeah and only one had the guts to rematch him and we saw what happened to Spinks Neither Mayweather, tszyu or Baldomir would ever fight Zab in a rematch. BALDOMIR EVEN SAID THE ONLY REASON HE BEAT ZAB WAS BECAUSE ZAB UNDERESTIMATED HIM! So you know for damn sure he isn't fighting a prepared Zab again Mayweather don't have to. And Tszyu didn't want to until he lost his title(Tszyu to Hatton). Sure in terms of talent you could put Zab as one of the best p4p TALENTED fighters in the last 20 years. but in terms of using it he is beneath those like Tszyu and Mayweather and them at the moment. because with the talent he has he shouldn't have lost to Tszyu and Baldomir, but he did and that shows that Talent is one thing, but using your talent is another.

To say Judah could be P4P in last 20 years for talent is the utter bullshit. He has speed,his power is ovr rated and talent includes things other than speed or power. And what a stupid fucking point,Zab under estimated Baldo,a true champ doesn't do that firstly and secondly,even if Zab is prepareD,what happens whenBaldo lands again?

As for Tszyu,who said winner takes all,no rematch at the press conference? Go and watch the fight again,what the post fight conference and watch the interview with KT STRAIGHT after the fight,Zab brought up the stipulation in the first place.

And you answered your own question,the only 1 to rematch him was Spinks,a fight he should not have lost in the first place,Mayweather beat him easily,he laid out the conditions for Tszyu and and Baldo has no need to go back,especially seeing as Zab got Floyd AFTER losing!! And you're the one that breaches shit about Raheem(remember that?) that he deserves a hot after beating Morales,how can EM get a shot at Pac after he lost etc etc yet Zab got a hot at P4P NUMBER 1 after losing!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

just watched the video from youtube, and the only title i can give to Judah or the only thing i think he will be forever remembered as, is either the funniest mother fucker to put on gloves or the best in ring dancer HAHAHA