Lyle's Everything Halloween Thread

[walrus]

The director must have been gay. It would be fine to have a gay main character... but they really hit you over the head with it! He literally stopped making out with his girlfriend to go sleep in the same room as his male friend, and his male friend is even like "ummm why are you here and not with your GF" hahaha. It really seemed the main purpose of the movie was to be very gay.

It was directed by Jack Sholder who idolized Jean Renoir (son of the famous painter Pierre-Auguste Renoir) both Sholder and Renoir directed many movies I've neither seen nor heard tell of. Jack Sholder has a son, so he may or may not be gay, but I find that most folks in the horror movie genre are the politically aware subversive type....see George Romero for example or John Carpenter. So that is probably why Jack Sholder got into directing Nightmare on Elm Street 2 and with the...well you can hardly call them undertones of homosexuality now can you? But with that being the case, I mean in the 1980's people were still of the belief that Elton John, Freddy Mercury, Rob Halford, et al were straight so now'a'days the gayness of that movie is really just wide open and out front but in the 1980's I guess that passed for "subtle".

I believe that Sholder used the gay angle with the lead character to parallel with Freddy Kruger living inside the gay character which is to say at that time it was not all that acceptable to be super gay out in public and so lots of gay people I guess figured they had something wrong with them, had to hide their true selves away from the public.....you know that kind of hamfisted political commentary.


It was an interesting take on the movie to say the least.

You are well versed in homosexuality, I'm impressed.

[El Kabong]

You are well versed in homosexuality, I'm impressed.

I make a point to try and understand cultures other than my own. Also having seen Nightmare on Elm Street 2 several times I asked a lot of the same questions vidgil asked about the movie and upon seeing Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy (Video 2010) - IMDb as well as Nightmares in Red, White and Blue: The Evolution of the American Horror Film (2009) - IMDb a lot of those questions were answered from those documentaries.

[vidgil]

He's HIV positive as well, shocking I know.

Damn sorry to hear that. Hope Freddy used protection when he was going in and out of dude's body, but given that time I don't think he did.

[El Kabong]

He's HIV positive as well, shocking I know.

Damn sorry to hear that. Hope Freddy used protection when he was going in and out of dude's body, but given that time I don't think he did.

Well it's not the death sentence it used to be.....would be fucking hilarious if the cast from that movie got back together and addressed that.


Freddy acting all menacing and then Jesse (played by Mark Patton) says "Freddy, I have to tell you something.....sit down"

Freddy continues to be ready to kill

Jesse gives the news about his being HIV positive....Freddy is distraught, he's holding his Fedora in his hands..."Gee Jesse, I'm sorry to hear that....really puts a lot of things in perspective"




But that would just be my take on it....and of course afterwards Freddy would of course "Wear the ribbon!"

[vidgil]

Yes... or perhaps Freddy started the HIV scare? Maybe it's something he brought back from hell. Very plausible.

[El Kabong]

Yes... or perhaps Freddy started the HIV scare? Maybe it's something he brought back from hell. Very plausible.

Indeed, he could be waving those finger knives around and telling people "You might wanna get tested! You don't know where I've been!"

[walrus]

Likes the nightmare on elm street movies. I've always been partial to horror and I had plans on going to see one on the large screen today but my alternator went on my car so I'm stranded. I did watch the documentary on the shining, room 137 or something. Very interesting a movie could create so many ideas that become a story unto themselves.
#bringbackbeans
# banbrock
#milesisgay

[El Kabong]

Likes the nightmare on elm street movies. I've always been partial to horror and I had plans on going to see one on the large screen today but my alternator went on my car so I'm stranded. I did watch the documentary on the shining, room 137 or something. Very interesting a movie could create so many ideas that become a story unto themselves.
#bringbackbeans
# banbrock
#milesisgay

Room 237 is the one on Kubrick and The Shining and it is very interesting.....I don't buy the whole fake moon landing angle but loads of other things discussed in the documentary were neat: the Holocaust, the American Indians, the constant quest of man to conquer new things be it lands or people, subliminal advertising, etc

[vidgil]

Yeah I think the fake moon landing thing is so stupid. But the Shining is still my favorite horror movie of all. So cerebral!

I think I enjoy 80s horror movies the best, back before CGI when props and make up experts created tangible effects in front of the camera. It feels so much better. David Croenenberg and John Carpenter made a lot of my favorites. The Shining and The Thing maybe my #1 and 2.

[El Kabong]

Yeah I think the fake moon landing thing is so stupid. But the Shining is still my favorite horror movie of all. So cerebral!

I think I enjoy 80s horror movies the best, back before CGI when props and make up experts created tangible effects in front of the camera. It feels so much better. David Croenenberg and John Carpenter made a lot of my favorites. The Shining and The Thing maybe my #1 and 2.

Yeah CGI sucks, nobody uses it responsibly anymore people just go balls out and use it for everything. Real honest and true special effects are the gold standard. Couldn't do the Scanners head explosion correctly without using models and casts and lots of fake blood. Re-Animator was a good one too for special effects.

[vidgil]

Yeah I was going to mention Scanners head explosion! Won't see that anymore, someone filling a head up with meat and fake blood and blowing it off with a shot gun hahaha.

CGI has opened a lot of possibilities for movies but IMO doesn't belong in horror.

[El Kabong]

Yeah I was going to mention Scanners head explosion! Won't see that anymore, someone filling a head up with meat and fake blood and blowing it off with a shot gun hahaha.

CGI has opened a lot of possibilities for movies but IMO doesn't belong in horror.

It's only good for action movies really....maybe SOME scifi, but look at 2001 A Space Odyssey and the original Star Wars trilogy, they were great because they used models and paid very close attention to detail.

[walrus]

Depends though, do u want horror or torture porn. Good horror doesn't need a lot of blood and gore to be good horror. The conjuring was a good example. I watched the Blair witch not long ago, that was very well done and started the found footage genre or mad it big anyway.

[vidgil]

Yes it was very well done, and made so much money on a almost non-existant budget! Shows what you can do with some creativity! But Hollywood doesn't want creativity anymore it seems, they just want to remake stuff smh

I think anyone making a found footage film now should face a firing squad, they are so played out! But I did like a couple... [Rec] scares the shit out of me even today!

[walrus]

Yes it was very well done, and made so much money on a almost non-existant budget! Shows what you can do with some creativity! But Hollywood doesn't want creativity anymore it seems, they just want to remake stuff smh

I think anyone making a found footage film now should face a firing squad, they are so played out! But I did like a couple... [Rec] scares the shit out of me even today!

Yup rec is good and I hate to admit but I do enjoy a lot of the paranormal activity films some of them were well done but they butchered a few as well