Journeymen..

[ykdadamaja]

Who are your favourite journeymen?

What defines a Journeyman.?

Danny Williams vs Chisora vs Price?

I was just gonna start a thread like this. lolololol... I did so a while back too. Not often we give attention to some legitimate journeymen who really can fight but don't come with the glitz and glamour of the pop-stars.

I STILL like Derrick Rossy. He had some good wins, tough losses, and I felt he could have come up one day and get a lucky shot in and win something. But reality kicked in as the newer guys just have more energy than him now- see Rossy vs. Bryant.

I also like Jesus Soto-Karass. He can make me watch him scrap. lololol.....

Journeymen are the LIFEBLOOD of the sport.

[El Kabong]

You can't be a journeyman if you've won a title....winning a title is like turning a cucumber into a pickle, it can never unbecome a pickle once it's turned. Once you've won a title you're a champion and the debate becomes 'How good of a champion are/were you?'

I would have said 'Bonecrusher' Smith, but he won a title so he's exempt from Journeyman status


My favorite journeymen:
Ron Lyle (fairly certain he never held a title though what a fighter!!!)
Jimmy Bivins (brilliant fighter never held a title to my knowledge)
Floyd 'Jumbo' Cummings
Buster Matthis
Lou Savarese

[El Kabong]

Sam Langford, Harry Wills, and Charlie Burley never got title shots but I'm really hard pressed to list them as journeymen, I also have not watched much of their stuff IF it is even available.

[Silkeyjoe]

Lots of fighters mentioned here I would not classify as Journeymen.

Mark Turley wrote a book "Journeymen : The Other Side of the Boxing Business, a New Perspective on the Noble Art". Well worth a read. Highlights some of the real problems in boxing. The need to be able to sell tickets to make it at a high level. Corruption in judges refs and promoters.

[Spicoli]

Lots of fighters mentioned here I would not classify as Journeymen.

Mark Turley wrote a book "Journeymen : The Other Side of the Boxing Business, a New Perspective on the Noble Art". Well worth a read. Highlights some of the real problems in boxing. The need to be able to sell tickets to make it at a high level. Corruption in judges refs and promoters.

U.K based? Just found it on Amazon for $8 looks to be an interesting perspective.

[mikeeod]

Pendleton was a great call!!! I would consider Bronco McKart a journeyman. Emmanual Augustus and Glen Johnson were great examples as well. I would consider Oba Carr, Robbie Simms, and Doug Dewitt journeymen. Have to think up some additional names...

[Fenster]

Journeyman has a different meaning in the States compared with the UK (although seeing the replies the American version seems to have been adopted by modern Brits).

Virtually nobody mentioned would be considered a journeyman under the classical British term, they're all too good, had too much success. In Britain journeymen are specifically used to lose but be tough/clever enough to take prospects rounds and to save shows as last minute replacements and what not.

Blokes like Peter Buckley (32W/256L/12D) who fought everyone in Britian (from Naz to Brook over 20 years). Stopped 10 times in 256 losses (). Legend.

[Spicoli]

I think Pendleton a case of numbers and bad training and habits, Freddie was world class improved after a journeyman start of 12-12. Again huge difference between guys who never left the local club in the first place and even get what they agreed to and those who end career in big name main events.

[Master]

Pendleton was a great call!!! I would consider Bronco McKart a journeyman. Emmanual Augustus and Glen Johnson were great examples as well. I would consider Oba Carr, Robbie Simms, and Doug Dewitt journeymen. Have to think up some additional names...

Oba Carr!!!!

He was a prospect that was going to do great things but unfortunately just failed but I would not call him a real journeyman as he did not carry on losing to fighters he should have beat.

Yori Boy Campus however is another story.

[Silkeyjoe]

Lots of fighters mentioned here I would not classify as Journeymen.

Mark Turley wrote a book "Journeymen : The Other Side of the Boxing Business, a New Perspective on the Noble Art". Well worth a read. Highlights some of the real problems in boxing. The need to be able to sell tickets to make it at a high level. Corruption in judges refs and promoters.

U.K based? Just found it on Amazon for $8 looks to be an interesting perspective.

Yep UK based. Well worth a look. Changed my perspective on these fighters completely.

[El Kabong]

Mickey Ward and Shea Neary also come to mind as journeymen

[Master]

Shea Neary was never a journeyman, he was the opposite after he lost to Ward and Magee he retired.

[El Kabong]

Shea Neary was never a journeyman, he was the opposite after he lost to Ward and Magee he retired.

Well he wasn't world class was he? He wasn't a champion was he?

[Master]

Shea Neary was never a journeyman, he was the opposite after he lost to Ward and Magee he retired.

Well he wasn't world class was he? He wasn't a champion was he?

He was WBU champion and defended it many times.

[Dark Lord Al]

[QUOTE=Master;1454654]

Shea Neary was never a journeyman, he was the opposite after he lost to Ward and Magee he retired.

Well he wasn't world class was he? He wasn't a champion was he?

He was WBU champion and defended it many times.[/QUOTE

For the record the WBU belt is like the everyday belt you hold your trousers up with. Yes its that special.