Can Fury actually beat Wilder?

[brocktonblockbust]

Don't kid yourself. Anybody and I mean anybody who is the size and the stature of Tyson Fury can easily kill a man with a punch with the right Leverage.

[Alpha]

Fury couldn't stop a guy who has been stuffed out on several occasions, but is now going to knock Wilder the f-ck out?

I think Wilder wins this one.

[powerpuncher]

Can Fury beat Wilder? Anything is possible, but I would very very heavily bet against it.

[Ron Swanson]

Where does the idea Wilder has no fan base come from other than Eddie?

Are people really comfortable ignoring years of emperical evidence?

Wilder has been getting great ratings in the USA for years. Does Spence have a fan base while getting half the viewers?

Sure, Wilder v Fury could flop. Neither has proven to be a PPV draw. But very few fighters currently have proven to be a PPV draw. Hopefully it does flop. F PPV. But let’s be real, people have tuned in for Wilder for years. And Fury will get people talking. A real HW champ fighting a real HW champ is a rare thing. Enjoy it. Hopefully it’s a double KO.

[Primo Carnera]

Where does the idea Wilder has no fan base come from other than Eddie?

Are people really comfortable ignoring years of emperical evidence?

Wilder has been getting great ratings in the USA for years. Does Spence have a fan base while getting half the viewers?

Sure, Wilder v Fury could flop. Neither has proven to be a PPV draw. But very few fighters currently have proven to be a PPV draw. Hopefully it does flop. F PPV. But let’s be real, people have tuned in for Wilder for years. And Fury will get people talking. A real HW champ fighting a real HW champ is a rare thing. Enjoy it. Hopefully it’s a double KO.

The thing is most fighters aren’t ppv. So we go on ratings for “free” fights. Well loads of people will watch as it’s free (or none ppv shall we say.)
So the way we can establish if he has a big following or fan base is by the live audience figures that actually go to watch. And what sort of audiences does Wilder attract?
Or to put it rather bluntly, if he’s got such a big fan base, why do 2 men and a dog go to watch him live? And why does he not top bills in Vegas?
Just curious.

[Fenster]

Wilder himself has complained about a lack of US fans supporting him, he says he has more fans in Britain than the US.

Now without doubt there are silly fans who repeat what Eddie says without understanding the motive or context but compared to Joshua he has no fans. Like Fury has no fans compared to Joshua. And so on. It doesn't mean they can't make a successful promotion and earn a lot of money.

What are the purses for Wilder and Fury? I assume Wilder is getting more than $15 million?

[Alpha]

Where does the idea Wilder has no fan base come from other than Eddie?

Are people really comfortable ignoring years of emperical evidence?

Wilder has been getting great ratings in the USA for years. Does Spence have a fan base while getting half the viewers?

Sure, Wilder v Fury could flop. Neither has proven to be a PPV draw. But very few fighters currently have proven to be a PPV draw. Hopefully it does flop. F PPV. But let’s be real, people have tuned in for Wilder for years. And Fury will get people talking. A real HW champ fighting a real HW champ is a rare thing. Enjoy it. Hopefully it’s a double KO.

Real heavyweight champ? Please. Did you purposely ignore the other thread about Fury being champ?

Fury retired to deal with his addiction and depression/ drug ban. You may not want to recognise his retirement/ ban, but only if you see nothing wrong with cheating.

[nuggetdotcom]

Where does the idea Wilder has no fan base come from other than Eddie?

Are people really comfortable ignoring years of emperical evidence?

Wilder has been getting great ratings in the USA for years. Does Spence have a fan base while getting half the viewers?

Sure, Wilder v Fury could flop. Neither has proven to be a PPV draw. But very few fighters currently have proven to be a PPV draw. Hopefully it does flop. F PPV. But let’s be real, people have tuned in for Wilder for years. And Fury will get people talking. A real HW champ fighting a real HW champ is a rare thing. Enjoy it. Hopefully it’s a double KO.

The thing is most fighters aren’t ppv. So we go on ratings for “free” fights. Well loads of people will watch as it’s free (or none ppv shall we say.)
So the way we can establish if he has a big following or fan base is by the live audience figures that actually go to watch. And what sort of audiences does Wilder attract?
Or to put it rather bluntly, if he’s got such a big fan base, why do 2 men and a dog go to watch him live? And why does he not top bills in Vegas?
Just curious.

Sorry to sit on the fence again, but Warren just overpaid some so called competitive 'contender' in probably his retirement fight, tame newspapers are bigging up the 'shut out' victory for Tyson, my mates who actually watched it tell me it was a shit fight between two shit fighters. Frampton, or free viewing in lowdown pubs with BT sport, made it marginally acceptable for a night out. So now we've got a big lummox who can actually move and box a bit, but cant punch, can lean hold and foul, against a smaller man who can't box, has a massive punch against anyone who's got his feet nailed to the floor. I'm not defending the other camps with Joshua etc, they have their faults as well, but this 'contest', if it ever takes place, is more like Big Brother, or I'm a celebrity than pro boxing.

[TAPugil]

Fury can only use his weight on Wilder, if Deontay is the aggressor. Hard to imagine DW constantly coming forward. Even though the skinny guy isn't a great boxer, I can see this as a chess match until either commits to taking the fight to the other.

[Gandalf]

I still think Fury is overrated based on beating a shell of a champion who was gun shy and old. I mean it isn't as though Wlad had been dazzling against a stream of Vitali's, Tyson's, or Lewis'. Then Fury decided to essentially blow up, become a drug addict, and is now going to comeback and dazzle the world? He only has one significant win IMO.

I think Wilder sparks him badly. It will be awkward for a while because Fury is so big and Wilder will need to adjust, but once he windmills, I see timber.

[Fenster]

I've always thought Fury would outbox Wilder, for obvious reasons, however, his lack of power is looking more and more a huge disadvantage, twelve rounds is a long time with such an explosive puncher as Wilder. Even if he doesn't spark Fury he only needs a certain amount of explosive bursts per round/fight to washover Fury's pitter-patter shit. Fury has proper fighting extinct, he knows how to look after himself, however, Wilder is a violent cunt who could floor anyone in history with the right shot (apart from Oliver McCall, of course).

Fury landed twice as many punches, yeah but Wilder landed more "power shots" - blah, blah, blah

Great matchup, regardless.

[TitoFan]

If nothing else, Fury's win over Pianeta has spawned a two-page thread such as this one, wondering out loud whether Fury can "actually beat" Wilder.

It's hard to see that scenario. Less than 1% probability Fury knocks out Wilder, let's begin with that. Fury doesn't have the power to bother Wilder, and he'd never commit to try, fearful of what might be coming back. That leaves a decision win. Fury won a ridiculously boring fight vs Wlad because basically Wlad threw 4 punches a round. Fury had gotten into his head and Wlad was scared sh*tless. That won't be the case with Wilder. So Fury will have to contend with Wilder's bombs, wild or not, for 12 rounds. I suppose Fury could grapple, dodge, frustrate, and otherwise avoid Wilder's bombs throughout the fight. Wilder doesn't have the fluid boxing skills it takes to break through all that nonsense. But it would only take one. So it's either Fury by nauseting, ugly decision.... or Wilder by knockout. That's where the odds should be placed. Right now I'd say it's 70/30 in favor of a Wilder KO.

[brocktonblockbust]

I think it's really funny how so many people in this thread are saying that Fury has no power. That has to be the funniest thing I have ever read.

[Freedom]

Tyson Fury isn't ready to fight Wilder, he needs another few warm-up fights and more time to get back to his best.

He has lost what power he had. When someone loses a lot of weight in a short period of time they lose a lot of strength, but with exercise and a good diet, the strength returns after a year or so.

Pianeta is a cancer survivor, he's been rather fragile since he had chemo and was KOed by Chagaev and even by light-hitting Kevin Johnson. Yet Fury was not strong enough to hurt him at all or knock him down yesterday.

This reminds me of Jeffries vs. Johnson. Jeffries had been a great heavyweight and was retired. He lost about 100 pounds in a short period of time, and wasn't strong enough to fight Johnson.

[brocktonblockbust]

Fury may kill Wilder