Life Expenses in the UK

[Fatboxingfan]

Miles mate poverty is not a choice let's say you fuck up loose your job your wife fucks off your broke.
Right no job your wife taken your money you lost your house your head has gone.
On the streets POVERTY mate does not take much that just a example of what can go wrong.

Myles definitely oversimplifies things

[Beanz]

Miles mate poverty is not a choice let's say you fuck up loose your job your wife fucks off your broke.
Right no job your wife taken your money you lost your house your head has gone.
On the streets POVERTY mate does not take much that just a example of what can go wrong.

Myles definitely oversimplifies things

It is like reverse virtue signalling. Being a Devil's advocate for it's own sake to the point where it is completely bizarre.

[Dia bando]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

[Fatboxingfan]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

miles is skipping the whole part about how the red carpet has been rolled out for him in South Korea like it is for all white people who work over there in the far East. The red carpet gets rolled out you are a VIP you are somebody special you stick out in the crowd like a sore thumb because the crowd is 99.5% Korean or Japanese if you are in Japan for example. I'm not saying that he is not a professional and I know that he is a good English teacher and works very hard at it but he is judging the poor people in the UK or in the US for example on a standard as if they are VIPs in expats living in a country like South Korea or Japan in which the red carpet is rolled out for these people. You have all heard the old adage all those schools really want over there in South Korea or Japan is a white face a white Western face that they can show the parents of the students. There are tons of white people in Japan and South Korea who cannot teach worth a damn but because they speak native English and they are white they get the red carpet treatment. So Miles has been over there so long he thinks it is so easy as it is for him for everybody in this world. It would not be as easy as he thinks if he was in the United States or the UK because then he will just be a dime a dozen

[El Kabong]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

There's an important caveat in your post.

Sometimes there's luck involved, sometimes it's poor judgement and mistakes.

[Fatboxingfan]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

There's an important caveat in your post.

Sometimes there's luck involved, sometimes it's poor judgement and mistakes.

He knows that. he was just pointing out to miles that it isn't always because people are merely lazy.

[Beanz]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

miles is skipping the whole part about how the red carpet has been rolled out for him in South Korea like it is for all white people who work over there in the far East. The red carpet gets rolled out you are a VIP you are somebody special you stick out in the crowd like a sore thumb because the crowd is 99.5% Korean or Japanese if you are in Japan for example. I'm not saying that he is not a professional and I know that he is a good English teacher and works very hard at it but he is judging the poor people in the UK or in the US for example on a standard as if they are VIPs in expats living in a country like South Korea or Japan in which the red carpet is rolled out for these people. You have all heard the old adage all those schools really want over there in South Korea or Japan is a white face a white Western face that they can show the parents of the students. There are tons of white people in Japan and South Korea who cannot teach worth a damn but because they speak native English and they are white they get the red carpet treatment. So Miles has been over there so long he thinks it is so easy as it is for him for everybody in this world. It would not be as easy as he thinks if he was in the United States or the UK because then he will just be a dime a dozen

Well that explains a hell of a lot. Gandalf admitted as much years back but I thought he was joking.

[Primo Carnera]

I can’t say I’ve completely followed this thread, but what I would say is £6.90 per hour is not a minimum wage rate, either she’s 18-20 years old, so she’s on more than the minimum wage, or she’s over 20 and being paid illegally below the NMW.
I am also not of the opinion that spending £20 a month on a mobile phone and having a Netflix subscription constitutes to being in poverty.

[El Kabong]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

There's an important caveat in your post.

Sometimes there's luck involved, sometimes it's poor judgement and mistakes.

He knows that. he was just pointing out to miles that it isn't always because people are merely lazy.

Well Gandalf didn't say "people are merely lazy" so yeah, there's that for you to ponder Monsieur

[Gandalf]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

miles is skipping the whole part about how the red carpet has been rolled out for him in South Korea like it is for all white people who work over there in the far East. The red carpet gets rolled out you are a VIP you are somebody special you stick out in the crowd like a sore thumb because the crowd is 99.5% Korean or Japanese if you are in Japan for example. I'm not saying that he is not a professional and I know that he is a good English teacher and works very hard at it but he is judging the poor people in the UK or in the US for example on a standard as if they are VIPs in expats living in a country like South Korea or Japan in which the red carpet is rolled out for these people. You have all heard the old adage all those schools really want over there in South Korea or Japan is a white face a white Western face that they can show the parents of the students. There are tons of white people in Japan and South Korea who cannot teach worth a damn but because they speak native English and they are white they get the red carpet treatment. So Miles has been over there so long he thinks it is so easy as it is for him for everybody in this world. It would not be as easy as he thinks if he was in the United States or the UK because then he will just be a dime a dozen

Those white people are generally in the lowest quality schools and the students get the education they deserve. The teachers last a year or two max, burnout, and go home. Their pension and health likely never paid. They are sometimes not paid on time and sometimes treated like crap and farmed out to earn the school extra coin. That is what changed me in my mid 20's when a school was going wrong. I had chosen my poverty by not saving when I had been paid okay despite my crazy hours, and then had to sue them. From that point on I resolved never to experience poverty again. I had chosen it by my own decisions which were then compounded by bad circumstances.

There was no VIP treatment. For those jobs you are earning less than most Koreans. That is when you upgrade skills, decide to be an expert, and find new revenue sources, and work at it all. You choose your path.

The reality is I was earning above these minimum wage levels as an 18 year old and with a few courses going beyond that. It wasn't incredible money, but the work was there and you were free to spend or save. As a youth I would spend. As an adult I prefer to save. In truth if I had stayed there my income level wouldn't be massively different to now due to promotion. It would just mean more hours.

You choose your path. In terms of Dia's argument, I would say choose a good wife, invest well, insure your health, buy a home upfront, save for the things you want before buying them or just do not have them, put money away for rainy days, etc. Prepare for the worst just in case. Then when things do go wrong, and they will, you are in a position to handle it.

[Gandalf]

Miles mate poverty is not a choice let's say you fuck up loose your job your wife fucks off your broke.
Right no job your wife taken your money you lost your house your head has gone.
On the streets POVERTY mate does not take much that just a example of what can go wrong.

Myles definitely oversimplifies things

It is like reverse virtue signalling. Being a Devil's advocate for it's own sake to the point where it is completely bizarre.

I am not being a Devil's Advocate. Fats is more doing that and started this thread. All I am doing is arguing that a single person can, if they want to, live on 8 pounds an hour and indeed even save money too.

I also suggest any issues probably stem from bad habits. It is not rocket science. You can rent reasonably in the UK. Bills are pricey, but by contrast food is cheap. The trains are a rip off, but in a normal town you wouldn't need one.

Not sure what I am missing when one cannot cope on 15 grand a year.

[Gandalf]

I don't think anyone in there right mind wants to be stuck in poverty.
Miles your a professional mate so I think you judge people by your standards remember not everyone is academicly smart.
My take on life sometimes you need some luck and good contacts to get on nothing in life is a give me.!

I have been a 'professional' for a short section of my working life. I didn't need academia to do a anything in the UK and still walked into above minimum wage work at 18 with no experience, so what is wrong with Amy? Why can she not do it at 32? I would like to know more about the life choices Amy has made, I suspect her IQ might be significant.

[Fatboxingfan]

Miles the problem with your point of view is that you are putting far too much responsibility on the individual who cannot foresee future events. You say to choose your wife wisely but that is not a guarantee. Plenty of people change and you could not have foreseen that. You say to choose your career wisely but plenty of people have chosen carefully and that particular field dries up or goes away. People end up in poverty for things that are far out of their control many of the times. You are acting as if the whole thing can be pre-planned and calculated like you are doing some kind of a grocery list and you can follow that list to a t and everything will work out just fine and dandy. That is really not the way reality is at all. d a bando has said it correctly that some people cannot take the pain or the pressure of the unforeseen tragedies and then they lose their minds or they lose their emotional stability and then of course they cannot get themselves back together. It is very cruel of you to assume that they should definitely just pick themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Gandalf]

That is my point though, always have a plan B and C. I have a good idea of what I will do next and know it won't be difficult to plan as it is all accounted for. I am someone who is always on his toes. I know others who have done just that in terms of new ventures. I give examples of people who go into different fields all the time and I pay close attention to anyone who leaves to try something new. I know many people who have done what I do for years, gone home and transitioned into very good jobs and not this minimum nonsense we are quibbling about. That stuff is generally the area of the unskilled, lowest, least driven sectors of life.

[Gandalf]

Not low as in bad, but low as in anyone can do it. Anyone can tape boxes in a factory and no you better not rely on that being a 30 year career.