Floyd Mayweather VS Sugar Ray Robinson

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Taeth what revolutionary techniques are you talking about Id like to hear tell me

[Taeth]

Its not worth talking about anymore. The little ways of how his used his shoulder unlike anyone else.. The angles he uses. The different levels he fights with his hands at. His footwork comming in or out. His whole defensive style to a degree is an improved version of James Toney's, and Archie Moore's. His awareness in the ring... How easily he flows from defense to offense. I am not saying that he would for sure beat Robinson, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise from the 7-8 Robinson fights I've seen. Not because I don't think he's great, but Floyd is pure boxing breed with the best training, work ethic, and technique the sport has ever seen along with athletic gifts that rival any fighter except to a degree ROy JOnes Jr.

[Preme]

Its not worth talking about anymore. The little ways of how his used his shoulder unlike anyone else.. The angles he uses. The different levels he fights with his hands at. His footwork comming in or out. His whole defensive style to a degree is an improved version of James Toney's, and Archie Moore's. His awareness in the ring... How easily he flows from defense to offense. I am not saying that he would for sure beat Robinson, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise from the 7-8 Robinson fights I've seen. Not because I don't think he's great, but Floyd is pure boxing breed with the best training, work ethic, and technique the sport has ever seen along with athletic gifts that rival any fighter except to a degree ROy JOnes Jr.

work ethic? surly that goes to hopkins? his training and shape he stayed in is unike any boxer i have ever seen, in thier prime yes, but hes done it and still doing it now at 42...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Its not worth talking about anymore. The little ways of how his used his shoulder unlike anyone else.. The angles he uses. The different levels he fights with his hands at. His footwork comming in or out. His whole defensive style to a degree is an improved version of James Toney's, and Archie Moore's. His awareness in the ring... How easily he flows from defense to offense. I am not saying that he would for sure beat Robinson, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise from the 7-8 Robinson fights I've seen. Not because I don't think he's great, but Floyd is pure boxing breed with the best training, work ethic, and technique the sport has ever seen along with athletic gifts that rival any fighter except to a degree ROy JOnes Jr.

Agreed. Floyd has it all.

But Robinson is 6ft tall and reletively speaking, hits like a truck!

[Taeth]

Its not worth talking about anymore. The little ways of how his used his shoulder unlike anyone else.. The angles he uses. The different levels he fights with his hands at. His footwork comming in or out. His whole defensive style to a degree is an improved version of James Toney's, and Archie Moore's. His awareness in the ring... How easily he flows from defense to offense. I am not saying that he would for sure beat Robinson, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe otherwise from the 7-8 Robinson fights I've seen. Not because I don't think he's great, but Floyd is pure boxing breed with the best training, work ethic, and technique the sport has ever seen along with athletic gifts that rival any fighter except to a degree ROy JOnes Jr.

work ethic? surly that goes to hopkins? his training and shape he stayed in is unike any boxer i have ever seen, in thier prime yes, but hes done it and still doing it now at 42...

Um Mayweather works out by far harder than Hopkins... He sometimes goes 15-20 rounds with some of those rounds lasting 9 minutes with new sparring partners comming in. His sit up routine is insane, and nobody can stand in front of a bag and just hit it with one two's longer than he can.

[Taeth]

Its hard to say how hard Ray Robinson punched because their gloves back then had virtually no padding compared to nowadays, but its interesting he weighed in at about 145-150 pounds during a large portion of his middleweight career making me believe that his natural weight must be around there with training so that he wasn't weight wise much bigger than PBF who weighs roughly that much quite easily. Heck even Pacquaio weighed in for a super featherweight fight at 144, and Corrales used to weigh in at 148 at the same weight. Anyways Floyd uses his height disadvantage to his advantage because he gets so low that taller guys have a hard time hitting him, and he has such fast feet that nobody can catch him if he doesn't want to be caught. I would say Zab probably hit as hard as Robinson, and is faster and his punches didn't hurt Mayweather, granted he hit Floyd, but I think that Zab is significantly faster than Ray.

[cockey cockney]

Its hard to say how hard Ray Robinson punched because their gloves back then had virtually no padding compared to nowadays, but its interesting he weighed in at about 145-150 pounds during a large portion of his middleweight career making me believe that his natural weight must be around there with training so that he wasn't weight wise much bigger than PBF who weighs roughly that much quite easily. Heck even Pacquaio weighed in for a super featherweight fight at 144, and Corrales used to weigh in at 148 at the same weight. Anyways Floyd uses his height disadvantage to his advantage because he gets so low that taller guys have a hard time hitting him, and he has such fast feet that nobody can catch him if he doesn't want to be caught. I would say Zab probably hit as hard as Robinson, and is faster and his punches didn't hurt Mayweather, granted he hit Floyd, but I think that Zab is significantly faster than Ray.

Sorry mate i know the point your trying to make. But to compare Zab in any possible way to the best fighter EVER period is a joke. I was watching a Robinson fight earlier on ESPN classic and let me tell you Ray has VERY fast hands, but put Robinson in todays game with all the advantages PBF has he would be even better, imagine that!

[Taeth]

I am not comparing Zab in anyway with Ray except in speed and power, and thats because Zab was a very special athlete in terms of boxing. I would never compare their skill, determination, chin, heart, etc. etc. because Zab loses miserably compared to Ray. I think it will be interesting to see if ODLH can hit Floyd with his jab because though much slower than Ray's ODLH had a harder jab than SRR, and its very accurate like SRR to an extent. I believe from what I've seen Floyd is nullify the jab against pretty much anyone, and he also has a damn good jab himself especially in his younger years... I have never seen anyone jab so effectively to the body.

[cockey cockney]

I am not comparing Zab in anyway with Ray except in speed and power, and thats because Zab was a very special athlete in terms of boxing. I would never compare their skill, determination, chin, heart, etc. etc. because Zab loses miserably compared to Ray. I think it will be interesting to see if ODLH can hit Floyd with his jab because though much slower than Ray's ODLH had a harder jab than SRR, and its very accurate like SRR to an extent. I believe from what I've seen Floyd is nullify the jab against pretty much anyone, and he also has a damn good jab himself especially in his younger years... I have never seen anyone jab so effectively to the body.

How you see Leonard-Mayweather going at Welter?

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Taith tell me how do you think Mayweather would do against somebody who never won a world title Charley Burley Who had a simular style and could KO rated heavys your veiw.

[Addicted to_boxing]

If we took both their styles then Mayweather would win.

Are you kidding me? How is your treatment going? When do you checkout? First of all would the fight take place then or now ? If you put PBF back in SRR time there is no fight because boxing would not have let PBF's style to ascend to the top for a title. That style was not mainstream until one Cassius Clay came along. If the fight were today SRR would have access to present day training tecniques and boxing knowledge. This is quite a comical topic which is disrepectful to SRR and his time in boxing. SRR would batter PBF. Obviously this was submitted by someone that has no true appreciation for the paths paved for todays boxers and who has seen few footage of nostalgic bouts. But before you match PBF to SRR how about matching him to an opponent of merit in his own era? Not one of his foes qualifies as a legendery boxer that any of us will remember. The sole name is his next fight and ODLH is not prime time anymore either. The Subject should be who has a stronger following of nuthuggers PBF or Pac Man? Neither will have the resumes on their records when all is said and done to be considered greats. Pac Man atleast has used up fighters on his resume. The state of boxing is such that these so called great fighter are cleaning house beating washed up oldies and tin cans.

[cockey cockney]

If we took both their styles then Mayweather would win.

Are you kidding me? How is your treatment going? When do you checkout? First of all would the fight take place then or now ? If you put PBF back in SRR time there is no fight because boxing would not have let PBF's style to ascend to the top for a title. That style was not mainstream until one Cassius Clay came along. If the fight were today SRR would have access to present day training tecniques and boxing knowledge. This is quite a comical topic which is disrepectful to SRR and his time in boxing. SRR would batter PBF. Obviously this was submitted by someone that has no true appreciation for the paths paved for todays boxers and who has seen few footage of nostalgic bouts. But before you match PBF to SRR how about matching him to an opponent of merit in his own era? Not one of his foes qualifies as a legendery boxer that any of us will remember. The sole name is his next fight and ODLH is not prime time anymore either. The Subject should be who has a stronger following of fans PBF or Pac Man? Neither will have the resumes on their records when all is said and done to be considered greats. Pac Man atleast has used up fighters on his resume. The state of boxing is such that these so called great fighter are cleaning house beating washed up oldies and tin cans.

and welcome to the board mate, this place is fooking top notch! Anyway although you have a very extreme viewpoint i agree with you on many points especially the point about you would have to put PBF back in them days, or bring prime SRR into these days to find the better fighter. Obviously who is the greater fighter, is hands down SRR by 5000000 country miles.

[hardrock]

Are you kidding me? How is your treatment going? When do you checkout? First of all would the fight take place then or now ? If you put PBF back in SRR time there is no fight because boxing would not have let PBF's style to ascend to the top for a title. That style was not mainstream until one Cassius Clay came along. If the fight were today SRR would have access to present day training tecniques and boxing knowledge. This is quite a comical topic which is disrepectful to SRR and his time in boxing. SRR would batter PBF. Obviously this was submitted by someone that has no true appreciation for the paths paved for todays boxers and who has seen few footage of nostalgic bouts. But before you match PBF to SRR how about matching him to an opponent of merit in his own era? Not one of his foes qualifies as a legendery boxer that any of us will remember. The sole name is his next fight and ODLH is not prime time anymore either. The Subject should be who has a stronger following of fans PBF or Pac Man? Neither will have the resumes on their records when all is said and done to be considered greats. Pac Man atleast has used up fighters on his resume. The state of boxing is such that these so called great fighter are cleaning house beating washed up oldies and tin cans.

By MAJESTY

Let me tell you I posted this topic because:
1. It lets us analyse what will always be a fictional bout.
2. Have some fun doing number 1.
3. Maybe learn about boxing debate/trivia about the boxers/boxing

Lasty:
1. I have watched tones of ATG fighters.
2. I know the boxers then didn't have the nice luxury gyms and diet aids we have now.
3. If you want to be too realistic with EVERY post you will be boring.
4. We all know SRR was great so I don't think it's disrespectful to compare another fighter with SRR. SRR is not a God, so its not blasphemy to utter his name along side another man.

Majesty please keep your opinions to yourself if you want to diss me more.

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Also teath with you being up the new training methods, and us oldtimers not having a clue Id like to hear your veiws on Psychodinamics andProprioception Im all ears

[Taeth]

I am not comparing Zab in anyway with Ray except in speed and power, and thats because Zab was a very special athlete in terms of boxing. I would never compare their skill, determination, chin, heart, etc. etc. because Zab loses miserably compared to Ray. I think it will be interesting to see if ODLH can hit Floyd with his jab because though much slower than Ray's ODLH had a harder jab than SRR, and its very accurate like SRR to an extent. I believe from what I've seen Floyd is nullify the jab against pretty much anyone, and he also has a damn good jab himself especially in his younger years... I have never seen anyone jab so effectively to the body.

How you see Leonard-Mayweather going at Welter?

I lean towards Mayweather because Leonard had some problems I think Mayweather could capatilize on, but I think Leonard beats Robinson hands down... He's faster, he can take Robinson's punch, and is IMO is as good jabbing on the outside as SRR.