WLadimir Klitschko VS Nicolay Valuev

[Wacko3205]

But again I ask what Happens to Wlad if he gets sparked by the Behemoth?? Do we say Wlad was always a timebomb ticking and was always one good shot away from crumbling or do you say Valuev is the real deal?? I want some Klitschko fans to answer that if they have given it anythought since Wlads track record lends that outcome a better than average chance of history repeating itself...

Let me put it to you like this...& this is from my point of view:

Valuev has improved leaps & bounds from what he was just 10 or 15 fights ago. Really...he has. His detractor's refuse to acknowledge it...but the signs are there.

If he were to hammer Wlad out or win a decision...you would never hear the end of how shitty Wlad was, how fixed the fight was, or whatever...anything & everything but respect would go out to Valuev.

I like the guy. He brings a lot of interest back to the sport...win, lose, or draw. That being said...I aint sold on him.

If he were to beat Maskaev, Peter, or Wlad...then I'd have to cash in me chips...I'd be sold.

I owe you a in 24 cause of that whole Karma deal ... We do agree on that I can tell you that much, I think its the same ol story once you have made up your mind to dislike or hate a certain fighter THATS IT!!! even at the expense of belittling and discrediting one of your favorite fighters peformance just to spite the other fighter you dont like...

Totally agreed on the highlighted part...& that is just fwockin ignorance.

I think Big Nik is good for the sport for the reasons you mentioned..... I would like to see him step up in comp soon I think he has improved and anyone who thinks he is a big hairy punching bag with a good promoter, is sadly mistaken.. Niks got all the potential to rule that division.... We'll see how he does against McCline this weekend, he could get sparked and this convo will be irrelevant

Yep. Fwock what everyone else says...they say any press is better than none at all & when Valuev pops up in a local alternative newspaper in my area...that's good press.

[Violent Demise]

Valuev is garbage and ya'll know it. Well the true boxing fans know it. He's treated like a fucking sideshow. Unless you think boxing is some kind of circus act, how the fuck can he be good for the sport? He fighting all these undeserving challengers in an attempt to break Marciano's record is a disgrace. All you who cheer him should be ashame of yourselves. You better hope God has mercy on your souls.

[landmine950]

Well....I love how the tide is starting to turn!
Valuev McCline a day away.
The people here who actually think and reason,not just run their mouths are starting to see the side of the Giant that I have for a while.
A great string of posts!
Till I come up to Violent Dumbass..or V.D. for short...
actually I don;t mind the guy but I'll prentend that I'm really ctually pissed off right now instead of just pissed drunk.

Valuev is liek the sad clown.
A huge guy who doesn't want to be know n for his giant size bnut for skill..a bit of an oximoran.
He doesn't fight big.he should but he doesnt.
He doent market himself as king kong. He should but he doe\oesnt.
His people are moving him up. Its not easy to find fight period never mind for a 7'350lb guy.
If YOU were a top 20 guy would YOU fight him? i doubt it!
HE IS NOT A SHIT FIGHTER!!
he has a decent jab. good right hand
REALLY good punch output.
HE TAKES A SHOT!
not afraid to go inside and wing!

NOw as much as I'd love to dis Wlad seriously. i onl;y do that on joke posts. Wlad is a VERY strong fighter technically. Tip Top od \f the iceburg. good size strength power etc.
BUT! his record is as bad....no actually its way worse than Valuev's!
3#ko losses. and not much better competition if any!
maybe worse.
DID I MENTION THE 3 KO"S!!?? LOL
The big guy leans on guys to tire them out,thats a Wlad trick holdoing Valuev will only tire wlad out more. WLAD gets gassed. Wlad gets KO's
Wl;ad is no fool. BUT GUESS WHAT! Valuev is a very integent thoughtful and intellegent guiys as well.
WHY is valuev good for boxing??
BOXING is on teh decline period!
Public interset is wayning!
A novalty,yes thats what a 7' guy is, attracts teh non-boxing fan.
sports illistated etc are all taking notice.
It could be. The best thing to EVER happen to hw boxing in 2000-2010
and in particular to Wladimir Klitschko is for Value\v to esablish himself as a REAL legitamate fighter.

WLAD IS PRAYING!! Valuev breaks teh record,stays undefeated and then chal;lenges him to a super fight !
It would be a 200 million dollar fight!!

THAT is why Valuev is good for boxing!

P.S. Im not going to edithis post. I'm too pissed.
If you don't like it....S3ck my diock!

[Klitsfan]

Well....I love how the tide is starting to turn!
Valuev McCline a day away.
The people here who actually think and reason,not just run their mouths are starting to see the side of the Giant that I have for a while.
A great string of posts!
Till I come up to Violent Dumbass..or V.D. for short...
actually I don;t mind the guy but I'll prentend that I'm really ctually pissed off right now instead of just pissed drunk.

Valuev is liek the sad clown.
A huge guy who doesn't want to be know n for his giant size bnut for skill..a bit of an oximoran.
He doesn't fight big.he should but he doesnt.
He doent market himself as king kong. He should but he doe\oesnt.
His people are moving him up. Its not easy to find fight period never mind for a 7'350lb guy.
If YOU were a top 20 guy would YOU fight him? i doubt it!
HE IS NOT A S*** FIGHTER!!
he has a decent jab. good right hand
REALLY good punch output.
HE TAKES A SHOT!
not afraid to go inside and wing!

NOw as much as I'd love to dis Wlad seriously. i onl;y do that on joke posts. Wlad is a VERY strong fighter technically. Tip Top od \f the iceburg. good size strength power etc.
BUT! his record is as bad....no actually its way worse than Valuev's!
3#ko losses. and not much better competition if any!
maybe worse.
DID I MENTION THE 3 KO"S!!?? LOL
The big guy leans on guys to tire them out,thats a Wlad trick holdoing Valuev will only tire wlad out more. WLAD gets gassed. Wlad gets KO's
Wl;ad is no fool. BUT GUESS WHAT! Valuev is a very integent thoughtful and intellegent guiys as well.
WHY is valuev good for boxing??
BOXING is on teh decline period!
Public interset is wayning!
A novalty,yes thats what a 7' guy is, attracts teh non-boxing fan.
sports illistated etc are all taking notice.
It could be. The best thing to EVER happen to hw boxing in 2000-2010
and in particular to Wladimir Klitschko is for Value\v to esablish himself as a REAL legitamate fighter.

WLAD IS PRAYING!! Valuev breaks teh record,stays undefeated and then chal;lenges him to a super fight !
It would be a 200 million dollar fight!!

THAT is why Valuev is good for boxing!

P.S. Im not going to edithis post. I'm too pissed.
If you don't like it....S3ck my diock!

First of all Wladimir has faced fighters with combined wins of 1104 and 332 loses in 50 fights.Valuev's opponents wins are 573 and 179 loses in 46 fights.Valuev faced 7 fighters who had never had a fight, Wladimir never faced a guy in which it was there first fight.

Valuev just fought Barrett and won by TKO in the 11th round, Wladimir fought Barrett (in his prime) and destroyed him in 7.I could go down the list of ffighters Wladimir has beaten and tell you why each one has been a better fighter than Valuev has ever faced, I just don't want to waste my time.

[landmine950]

LOL!! I love this

here's your quote!

First of all Wladimir has faced fighters with combined wins of 1104 and 332 loses in 50 fights.Valuev's opponents wins are 573 and 179 loses in 46 fights. (someother stuff..bla..bla..bla) I just don't want to waste my time.
SO! 1104/332 is?? a 3.325 win/loss ratio...

Valuev....? 3.20 ratio....these are YOUR numbers!! DAmn near identical!!

a differance of 3.75%....your point was lMAO!!
and you can't do a ratio on a guy with no losses cuz 8-0 messes up the ratio...

Maybe you want to look at Rockey Marciano's Opponents win loss ratio?? I have it ready on a excell spreadsheet

(remember I'm an engineer I love this sh1t!)

Valuev has fought 8 guys who have never lost!!

Wlad? only one!


332-179 so you ADMIT! that wlads opponents have 153! or almost double! the number of LOSSES as Valuevs!!
So glad your starting to see the light and come around!
YES! 332 losses! an average of 6 losses /oppenent! really..a bunch of losers!! mind you with 3 HUGE KO losses...Wlad fits rights in!!
Hard to compare 3 Ko losses to.......Zero.....what ratio is that...
infinity??

[Klitsfan]

LOL!! I love this

here's your quote!

First of all Wladimir has faced fighters with combined wins of 1104 and 332 loses in 50 fights.Valuev's opponents wins are 573 and 179 loses in 46 fights. (someother stuff..bla..bla..bla) I just don't want to waste my time.
SO! 1104/332 is?? a 3.325 win/loss ratio...

Valuev....? 3.20 ratio....these are YOUR numbers!! DAmn near identical!!

a differance of 3.75%....your point was lMAO!!
and you can't do a ratio on a guy with no losses cuz 8-0 messes up the ratio...

Maybe you want to look at Rockey Marciano's Opponents win loss ratio?? I have it ready on a excell spreadsheet

(remember I'm an engineer I love this sh1t!)

Valuev has fought 8 guys who have never lost!!

Wlad? only one!


332-179 so you ADMIT! that wlads opponents have 153! or almost double! the number of LOSSES as Valuevs!!
So glad your starting to see the light and come around!
YES! 332 losses! an average of 6 losses /oppenent! really..a bunch of losers!! mind you with 3 HUGE KO losses...Wlad fits rights in!!
Hard to compare 3 Ko losses to.......Zero.....what ratio is that...
infinity??

My point is Wladimir has done this in 50 fights only 4 more than Valuev!My point is Valuev's opponents don't have the number of wins as Wladimir's does.

This one makes me laugh!
Valuev has fought 8 guys who have never lost!!
Yes and he has also fought 7 guys who haven't had a win!

Just 4 years ago Valuev was fighting guys with records of 3-3, 2-0 4-1!
While Wladimir was fighting guys with records of 44-3, 30-4, 31-1, 28-2.........

Lets look at their last 10 wins.
Valuev beat Barrett by TKO in the 11th round.
Wladimir beat Barrett 7 years ago in Barrett's prime by TKO in the 7th.

Valuev beat Owen Beck on points,who had just recently lost to Ray Austin and KO'd by Barrett!

Valuev beat Ruiz(which Ruiz actually should have won).

Valuev beat Larry Donald(another fight that Donald should have won)

Valuev beat Clifford Etienne who Calvin Brock(who Wladimir destroyed in 7) KO'd faster!

Valuev beat Atilla Levin who had just lost to Jeremy Williams.

Valuev beat Gerald Nobles by DQ.

Valuev beat Paolo Vidoz.

Valuev beat Richard Bango who was coming off some stunning wins against Frankie Hines(14 wins 101 loses! )Roy Bedwell915wins 55loses! )

Valuev beat Marcelo Fabian Dominguez who just fought Miguel Angel Antonio Aguirre(14wins 19loses).

Now for Wladimir.
Wladimir fought Calvin Brock(29 wins 0 loses 22KO's)

Wladimir fought Chris Byrd (39 wins 2 loses)only been beaten by 1 other fighter Ibeabuchi 7 years ago. Wladimir beat Byrd once before in 2000,

Wladimir fought Sam Peter(24 wins 0 loses 21KO's)who is a huge puncher and won by UD.

Wladimir fought Eliseo Castillo who had just beaten Michael Moorer (18 wins 0 loses)and KO'd him in 4.

Wladimir fought DaVarryl Williamson(20 wins and 2 loses 17ko's)won after fight was stopped by headbutt.

Wladimir fought Danell Nicholson(42 wins 4 loses 32KO's)and knocked him out in 4.

Wladimir fought Fabio Eduardo Moli(29 wins 2 loses 17KO's)and knocked him out in 1.

Wladimir fought Jameel McCline(28wins 2 loses 16KO's)and stopped him in 10.

Wladimir fought Ray Mercer(30 wins 4 loses 22KO's)and was the first to knock him down and stop him.

Wladimir fought Francois Botha(44 wins 3 loses 28KO's)and stopped him in 8.

I think that list speaks for itself.If you can't see Wladimir fought the better competition you should see a shrink.

[landmine950]

Ok fair enough...
Let's look at Wlad's last 10 fights..seriously..no BS or exaggeration.
honest.fair.logical.let's do it.

1. Calvin brock
2. Chris byrd
3. Samual Peter
4. Eliseo Castillo
5. DaVarryl Williamson
6. Lamon Brewster
7. Danell Nicholson
8. Fabio Eduado Moli
9. Corrie Saunders
10. JameelMcCline

#1 Brock .really hasn't fought anyone of note and couldn't ko McCline.

SO if valuev beats McCline then he is better than Brock right?

#2 Byrd,. good fighter and only 154 pounds lighter than Valuev.
so fighting Valuev is sorta like fighting Byrd and say Oscar de la hoya at the same time!

#3 Peter...fought 24 rounds against a blown up middle weight James Toney. Never was able to hurt Toney or land clean yet Peter had Wlad down 3 TIMES!!
So Wlad is way worse than Toney??

#4 Castillo...who?? just lost to a 197 pound guy! Ko'd in 4! by a cruiser weight with 11 pro fights!! so Wlad can hit as hard as an 11 fight cruiser weight! wooooo!

#5 williamson?? do you really want to go here??

2004-10-02 : Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, NV, USA : Wladimir Klitschko beat DaVarryl Williamson by TD in round 5 of 10
Fight stopped due to a Klitschko cut caused by an accidental headbutt. Klitschko down in 4th.

So he was knocked DOWN in the 4th by williamson! won on cards after fight was stopped because WLAD WAS BLEEDING LIKE A STUCK PIG! a lucky escape after a knock down!

#6 Brewster....dude...I'm starting to feel bad even doing this to you...

KO loss..come on..

#7 Nicholson he got KO'd out by EVERY 1/2 decent guy he faced..
Tua,Kirk Johnson man even Andrew Golota.....do I have to gone on??

#8 Fabio Moli? really? he's been Ko'd by guys who were Ko'd by guys I've never heard of. Matt Skelton had him down 4 times.

#9 Corrie Saunders..Ok heres not a bad guy..Was Ko'd twice...

KO'd by Rahman...ya so ok mayeb he's not so great....OH hang on....he beat Wlad?? what KO'd Wlad........Jeez..now I'm just Embarrased for you..

#10 Ok so this is the guy to Wlad has built his rep on? Valuevs fighting him tommorow...

Man, I'm almost feeling bad for doing this to you over and over...
Wlad's record?? he has no record!! Valuevs 45-0! now THAT'S a record!

[JT Rock]

Valuev TKO'D Beck, Klitschkofan...

[Klitsfan]

Valuev TKO'D Beck, Klitschkofan...

My mistake.Thanks

[Klitsfan]

Ok fair enough...
Let's look at Wlad's last 10 fights..seriously..no BS or exaggeration.
honest.fair.logical.let's do it.

1. Calvin brock
2. Chris byrd
3. Samual Peter
4. Eliseo Castillo
5. DaVarryl Williamson
6. Lamon Brewster
7. Danell Nicholson
8. Fabio Eduado Moli
9. Corrie Saunders
10. JameelMcCline

#1 Brock .really hasn't fought anyone of note and couldn't ko McCline.

SO if valuev beats McCline then he is better than Brock right?

#2 Byrd,. good fighter and only 154 pounds lighter than Valuev.
so fighting Valuev is sorta like fighting Byrd and say Oscar de la hoya at the same time!

#3 Peter...fought 24 rounds against a blown up middle weight James Toney. Never was able to hurt Toney or land clean yet Peter had Wlad down 3 TIMES!!
So Wlad is way worse than Toney??

#4 Castillo...who?? just lost to a 197 pound guy! Ko'd in 4! by a cruiser weight with 11 pro fights!! so Wlad can hit as hard as an 11 fight cruiser weight! wooooo!

#5 williamson?? do you really want to go here??

2004-10-02 : Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, NV, USA : Wladimir Klitschko beat DaVarryl Williamson by TD in round 5 of 10
Fight stopped due to a Klitschko cut caused by an accidental headbutt. Klitschko down in 4th.

So he was knocked DOWN in the 4th by williamson! won on cards after fight was stopped because WLAD WAS BLEEDING LIKE A STUCK PIG! a lucky escape after a knock down!

#6 Brewster....dude...I'm starting to feel bad even doing this to you...

KO loss..come on..

#7 Nicholson he got KO'd out by EVERY 1/2 decent guy he faced..
Tua,Kirk Johnson man even Andrew Golota.....do I have to gone on??

#8 Fabio Moli? really? he's been Ko'd by guys who were Ko'd by guys I've never heard of. Matt Skelton had him down 4 times.

#9 Corrie Saunders..Ok heres not a bad guy..Was Ko'd twice...

KO'd by Rahman...ya so ok mayeb he's not so great....OH hang on....he beat Wlad?? what KO'd Wlad........Jeez..now I'm just Embarrased for you..

#10 Ok so this is the guy to Wlad has built his rep on? Valuevs fighting him tommorow...

Man, I'm almost feeling bad for doing this to you over and over...
Wlad's record?? he has no record!! Valuevs 45-0! now THAT'S a record!

I am done with this your logic is not logic at all!I see know you just don't like Wladimir for some reason and you distort the facts to get an outcome you like.Keep on believing Valuevs record is better than Wladimir's because 99% of the posters on here agree with me.I just thought I could make you see what everyone else sees.

[JT Rock]

Valuev TKO'D Beck, Klitschkofan...

My mistake.Thanks

No problem Bro, I make them all the time

[1st rd ko]

Wlad would fight his same "stay outside and jab jab jab and then throw the right". Wlad by vicious KO rd 8.

[Preme]

I think the klit wins by KO, hes more technecaly sound, better all round skills, the only real question would be the klits chin, but i don't think Valuev has the heart to really go in for a KO with the klit. I don't think Valuev is to confident he can win anyhow IMO, they would of fought by now if he had any balls!

Nvm tho fight wont happen, John ruiz (the real WBA champ!) fights and beats valuev soon enough you all know the quiet man is biding his time, waiting for the klit to gather afew more belts, hen BANG he comes back whoops valuev, beats the klit and reins undisputed Heavyweight champion OF THR WORLD!!!

[Punisher136]

Wlad's not the greatest boxer to ever step in the ring, that being said, He'll be a million times more competitive than anything valuev has faced up to the point. Valuev's chin is by no means solid and i will go out on a limb and say that it is merely an illusion formed by his height that he can take a good punch (as he has never been hit by a good punch, especially since he has never fought a power puncher). Wlad's chin is suspect but valuev isn't exactly the worlds greatest ko artist as he is just a big guy who leans on people til they tire then he pushes them over.

[plinden]

Well....I love how the tide is starting to turn!
Valuev McCline a day away.
The people here who actually think and reason,not just run their mouths are starting to see the side of the Giant that I have for a while.
A great string of posts!
Till I come up to Violent Dumbass..or V.D. for short...
actually I don;t mind the guy but I'll prentend that I'm really ctually pissed off right now instead of just pissed drunk.

Valuev is liek the sad clown.
A huge guy who doesn't want to be know n for his giant size bnut for skill..a bit of an oximoran.
He doesn't fight big.he should but he doesnt.
He doent market himself as king kong. He should but he doe\oesnt.

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID VALUEV IS NO JOKE. I LAUGH AT THE FOOLS WHO THINK SO EVEN AFTER HE WENT THE DISTANCE W RUIZ AND PLAYED W ETIENNE, BARRET ETC. BOXING IS NOT THAT EASY - ITS HARD AND IF YOU CAN BEAT ETIENNE AND RUIZ ET AL - YOU ARE BAD REAL BAD.
His people are moving him up. Its not easy to find fight period never mind for a 7'350lb guy.
If YOU were a top 20 guy would YOU fight him? i doubt it!
HE IS NOT A S*** FIGHTER!!
he has a decent jab. good right hand
REALLY good punch output.
HE TAKES A SHOT!
not afraid to go inside and wing!

NOw as much as I'd love to dis Wlad seriously. i onl;y do that on joke posts. Wlad is a VERY strong fighter technically. Tip Top od \f the iceburg. good size strength power etc.
BUT! his record is as bad....no actually its way worse than Valuev's!
3#ko losses. and not much better competition if any!
maybe worse.
DID I MENTION THE 3 KO"S!!?? LOL
The big guy leans on guys to tire them out,thats a Wlad trick holdoing Valuev will only tire wlad out more. WLAD gets gassed. Wlad gets KO's
Wl;ad is no fool. BUT GUESS WHAT! Valuev is a very integent thoughtful and intellegent guiys as well.
WHY is valuev good for boxing??
BOXING is on teh decline period!
Public interset is wayning!
A novalty,yes thats what a 7' guy is, attracts teh non-boxing fan.
sports illistated etc are all taking notice.
It could be. The best thing to EVER happen to hw boxing in 2000-2010
and in particular to Wladimir Klitschko is for Value\v to esablish himself as a REAL legitamate fighter.

WLAD IS PRAYING!! Valuev breaks teh record,stays undefeated and then chal;lenges him to a super fight !
It would be a 200 million dollar fight!!

THAT is why Valuev is good for boxing!

P.S. Im not going to edithis post. I'm too pissed.
If you don't like it....S3ck my diock!