Now who sez Pac's overrated? Yet another award for Pac?!! Read on.......

[pacfan]

Where's the riot, where's the fireworks?!! C'mon you can do better than that.

[ono]

No fireworks from me. Mayweather and Pacman are both great fighters in their own rights. They both have arguments for being number 1 p4p.

[pacfan]

Well thanks, ono, although I wasn't particularly refering to you, you've got point there.

[babyboNe]

Just out of curiosity,why shouldn't Pac be P4P number 1. You've said he shouldn't be but have not backed it up with anything.

Pac is fighting at 130 pounds. If Floyd had stayed at 130 and fought Pacquiao there, Floyd would wipe the canvas with Manny.
That's why Floyd is #1 and Pac ain't.
When someone finds me the fighter who could beat Floyd, I'll stop rating him #1.

I've got respect for Pacquiao and I love watching his fights. But he's just not in Mayweather's league as a boxer.

no doubt pbf is prolly the better boxer, but take inconsideration pac has fought countless of better boxer then he is, and he is the one who wipe the canvas of them.

theres more to it then just whos the better boxer, thats why we have them fight. there is heart, determination, stamina, k.o power, speed etc etc. plus pac is known to give hell no any great boxer.

ITS A OVERSTATEMENT ANYTIME A FAN JUST SAYS PBF WILL EASILY BOX PAC.

its easy to think that but i doubt it'll be easy for pbf to do for 12 rounds against pacman.

pacman is no gatti, his not chico that would throw 2 punches a round. AND prime for prime PACMAN HAS WAY BETTER CHIN THEN THOSE TWO NO DOUBT. pbf hasn't fought anyone close to the terror pac brings. and i know pac hasn't fought anyone like pbf, thats why i can't wait for pac to fight guzman.

it all reality, a guy with a big punch can end a fight before a 12 round boxer. keep that in mind also.

i give pbf respect but i give pac more respect because pac takes it to even the elite of elites(and he gives them hell, even when he wasn't PRIME)and now he has come close to PRIME now we should wait to see more primepacman then we can base who will win pac vs pbf). and now he is the elite due to his hard work up to the top, he fought the best at featherweight right from the get go A.....S......A......P

[Kev]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

[babyboNe]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

[Kev]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

Poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly written sentences are just some of the reasons I didn't bother to read your reply.

[babyboNe]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

Poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly written sentences are just some of the reasons I didn't bother to read your reply.

so how did you know poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly wrtten sentences took place in my reply when you say you didn't read it (and this is a boxing forum mostly men, uhh when do we start really paying attention to bad spelling, terrible punctuation, etc etc huh? actually only when one runs out of bright boxing idea is when he low blows.)

take notes fellow saddo members, this is sign of a poster getting OWNED. reduce to such comments with no boxing knowledge.....sad sad sad

[Kev]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

Poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly written sentences are just some of the reasons I didn't bother to read your reply.

so how did you know poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly wrtten sentences took place in my reply when you say you didn't read it (and this is a boxing forum mostly men, uhh when do we start really paying attention to bad spelling, terrible punctuation, etc etc huh? actually only when one runs out of bright boxing idea is when he low blows.)

take notes fellow saddo members, this is sign of a poster getting OWNED. reduce to such comments with no boxing knowledge.....sad sad sad

Well ok if you want to play that game, give me half an hour to decipher your last posting and I will respond.

Notes to all Saddo members, can anyone translate ASBO to English?

[babyboNe]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

Poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly written sentences are just some of the reasons I didn't bother to read your reply.

so how did you know poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly wrtten sentences took place in my reply when you say you didn't read it (and this is a boxing forum mostly men, uhh when do we start really paying attention to bad spelling, terrible punctuation, etc etc huh? actually only when one runs out of bright boxing idea is when he low blows.)

take notes fellow saddo members, this is sign of a poster getting OWNED. reduce to such comments with no boxing knowledge.....sad sad sad

Well ok if you want to play that game, give me half an hour to decipher your last posting and I will respond.

Notes to all Saddo members, can anyone translate ASBO to English?

ahaha what the hell is ASBO

actually your the only one having a hard time understanding. thats so funny you need atleast half an hour to respond uhh i'm not here all day, i have a life to attend to so yea...if your worth remembering i'll get at you later.

bilbo...sad sad sad, you never was the type i'd have to get into.....dissapointing....

[Kev]

ahaha what the hell is ASBO





Thankyou for making me laugh. When you come back from robbing work maybe we can continue our discussion.

If you like I'll start by teaching you the alphabet

[SweetPea]

Just out of curiosity,why shouldn't Pac be P4P number 1. You've said he shouldn't be but have not backed it up with anything.

Pac is fighting at 130 pounds. If Floyd had stayed at 130 and fought Pacquiao there, Floyd would wipe the canvas with Manny.
That's why Floyd is #1 and Pac ain't.
When someone finds me the fighter who could beat Floyd, I'll stop rating him #1.

I've got respect for Pacquiao and I love watching his fights. But he's just not in Mayweather's league as a boxer.

no doubt pbf is prolly the better boxer, but take inconsideration pac has fought countless of better boxer then he is, and he is the one who wipe the canvas of them.

Pac deserves a lot of respect for beating Barrera, going 2-1 against Morales, and the fight vs. Marquez, which I thought Pac narrowly won.
But does anyone doubt that Mayweather would've beaten Barrera, Morales, or Marquez I sure don't. In fact, I think he would've beaten them in easier fashion than Pac did.
Morales is one of my favorite fighters ever, yet I have no doubt that he would have been totally overmatched against Floyd.
And no one can use the "Floyd was ducking them" argument, because those guys weren't at 130 when Floyd was.

theres more to it then just whos the better boxer, thats why we have them fight. there is heart, determination, stamina, k.o power, speed etc etc. plus pac is known to give hell no any great boxer.

You're right, and in addition to being a better boxer, Floyd is also faster than Pacquiao, and he's got more stamina too. Not that Pac doesn't have great stamina, but there is no fighter who is as well-conditioned as Mayweather.
I also have seen no evidence that Mayweather lacks heart or determination. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people here who believe Floyd isn't determined because he "runs."

ITS A OVERSTATEMENT ANYTIME A FAN JUST SAYS PBF WILL EASILY BOX PAC.

It's not an overstatement when there's evidence to back it up.
Mayweather is bigger, faster, and has a 5 inch reach advantage over Pacquiao.
Pac needs to fight moving forward, which is good for Floyd because he can fight extremely well going backwards.
Pac telegraphs his punches at times, but was able to land big shots against both MAB and Morales because he was faster than them. He enjoys no such speed advantage against Floyd, and therefore would need to rely on boxing ability and technique to land a big shot, and I think we've already agreed that Pac is not in Floyd's league in terms of boxing ability and technique.

Pac is a great fighter providing thrilling fights. But he's not on Floyd's level as a boxer, and there's no shame in that.

[ono]

Just out of curiosity,why shouldn't Pac be P4P number 1. You've said he shouldn't be but have not backed it up with anything.

Pac is fighting at 130 pounds. If Floyd had stayed at 130 and fought Pacquiao there, Floyd would wipe the canvas with Manny.
That's why Floyd is #1 and Pac ain't.
When someone finds me the fighter who could beat Floyd, I'll stop rating him #1.

I've got respect for Pacquiao and I love watching his fights. But he's just not in Mayweather's league as a boxer.

no doubt pbf is prolly the better boxer, but take inconsideration pac has fought countless of better boxer then he is, and he is the one who wipe the canvas of them.

Pac deserves a lot of respect for beating Barrera, going 2-1 against Morales, and the fight vs. Marquez, which I thought Pac narrowly won.
But does anyone doubt that Mayweather would've beaten Barrera, Morales, or Marquez I sure don't. In fact, I think he would've beaten them in easier fashion than Pac did.
Morales is one of my favorite fighters ever, yet I have no doubt that he would have been totally overmatched against Floyd.
And no one can use the "Floyd was ducking them" argument, because those guys weren't at 130 when Floyd was.

theres more to it then just whos the better boxer, thats why we have them fight. there is heart, determination, stamina, k.o power, speed etc etc. plus pac is known to give hell no any great boxer.

You're right, and in addition to being a better boxer, Floyd is also faster than Pacquiao, and he's got more stamina too. Not that Pac doesn't have great stamina, but there is no fighter who is as well-conditioned as Mayweather.
I also have seen no evidence that Mayweather lacks heart or determination. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people here who believe Floyd isn't determined because he "runs."

ITS A OVERSTATEMENT ANYTIME A FAN JUST SAYS PBF WILL EASILY BOX PAC.

It's not an overstatement when there's evidence to back it up.
Mayweather is bigger, faster, and has a 5 inch reach advantage over Pacquiao.
Pac needs to fight moving forward, which is good for Floyd because he can fight extremely well going backwards.
Pac telegraphs his punches at times, but was able to land big shots against both MAB and Morales because he was faster than them. He enjoys no such speed advantage against Floyd, and therefore would need to rely on boxing ability and technique to land a big shot, and I think we've already agreed that Pac is not in Floyd's league in terms of boxing ability and technique.

Pac is a great fighter providing thrilling fights. But he's not on Floyd's level as a boxer, and there's no shame in that.

I have yet to see a Mayweather fight where i have thought 'wow, that guy has great stamina'

It just doesn't stand out that much to me like it does with other fighters.

Maybe i spend to much time marvelling at his skills to even notice.

[pacfan]

Atta way to go, boys, that's more like it. But no name-callings - that'll be a carnage not a riot.

[El Gamo]

Floyd would beat Pacman but to say he would wipe the floor with him is a huge exaggeration. Pac's handspeed and power,P4P,would be by far and away the best Floyd has faced. And JMM is a stylistic nightmare for ANYONE,he would make Floyd lead,and he is P4P one of best counter punches around with pop in both hands.Remember,Manny is no longer as 1 dimensional as he used to be and his hand speed is blurring,anyone who gets trapped on the ropes v Manny is in trouble.