This Is Worst Top 10 All time Heavyweights List I've Ever Seen

[ICB]

10. Vitali Klitschko
9. George Foreman
8. Riddick Bowe
7. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
5. Evander Holfield
4. Lennox Lewis
3. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
1. Mike Tyson

[Punisher136]

And where might you have stumbled upon this debacle?

[ICB]

And where might you have stumbled upon this debacle?

http://jmbtandy.wordpress.com/2007/0...ts-in-history/

I didn't bother to read it all because list put me off

[Punisher136]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

[ICB]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

exactly size isn't always better if your fat and slow and out of shape hasn't anyone ever heard of saying the bigger they are the harder they fall you actually think guys like Holmes Ali and Foreman would have any trouble with current fighters ??

[Punisher136]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

exactly size isn't always better if your fat and slow and out of shape hasn't anyone ever heard of saying the bigger they are harder they fall you actually think guys like Holmes Ali and Foreman would have any trouble with current fighters ??

A primed ali could go 7 rounds without breaking a sweat while fighting at a blistering pace by today's heavyweight standards. Foreman was the perfect prototype big punching fighter. Any bigger and stamina becomes an issue.

[Punisher136]

A lot of people might forget ali was 6'3 215ish. He'd still be a good size for todays division and foreman hit way harder p4p than todays heavies.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

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ICB theirs another saying the Littler they are the further they go, but I agree with yours.

[Trainer Monkey]

10. Vitali Klitschko
9. George Foreman
8. Riddick Bowe
7. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
5. Evander Holfield
4. Lennox Lewis
3. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano
1. Mike Tyson

That list is an abortion
TYSON?

[ICB]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

Your big Klit fan so your biased in no way has Vitali have wins close to legends name one great win that Vitali had that gets him in top 10 ??

[Gandalf]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

And Vitali has beaten how many great fighters exactly? Your name gives you away without any way and your posts just show you out....

The guy before you made some very pertinent points. Pay some attention you might learn something!

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Ok for the last time:
MODERN DAY FIGHTERS HOLD NO DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER OLDER FIGHTERS!!!

Yeah they have better diets and blah blah blah but when people fought in the old days it was for survival they couldn't go back to their huge mansion with all their electronic bs they spent their money on food for their familes and wondered when their next paycheck was. The mental edge old school fighters had from rough upbringings equals or even surpasses the physical edge modern athletes have.

Vitali doesn't even belong in the top 30 all time. I don't care if he comes back and wins 50 fights in a row against the best in this division, He QUIT against chris byrd with three rounds to go and virtually no way of losing except a forifeit.

The other entrys are respectable but i dont like the order. Marciano was the best because you'd have to fight him for 15 rounds and odds are he'd catch you with a right and the fight would be over. Ali comes second because his great chin and mobility would possibly guide him to a victory over marciano and every other fighter prime for prime. Tyson comes third because on his best night he beats or gives other all time greats a run for their money.

I don't see vitali sticking in a fight with a minor injury when he has marciano or tyson across the ring from him. Ali would have him busted upon in alittle over 3 rounds. The number 4 spot all-time and down the line can be debated over and over but it doesn't matter. After the winner, runner up, and honorable mention, everyone else is just a conversation starter.

Vitali has a record that your heroes never could match (W 35 (34 ko's) L 2 Total 37)hell he got that record knocking boxers out who knocked your heroes out.Don't go bringing up dead boxers and other boxers that you have heard of, they may have been champs of their era but that was then this is now.
As for the fight with byrd read.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing...ko-Profile.php

Your big Klit fan so your biased in no way has Vitali have wins close to legends name one great win that Vitali had that gets him in top 10 ??

I base this on his record and who he has fought.He has never been ko'd or knocked down.He is good no matter who likes him or dislikes him. Look for yourself he has beaten some good boxers by KO.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007033

[ICB]

Anybody can have good record Brian Nielsen had good record is he all time not even close and just because he has never been down doesn't make him all time great and im still waiting on these good boxers he beat that gets him into top 10.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Anybody can have good record Brian Nielsen had good record is he all time not even close and just because he has never been down doesn't make him all time great and im still waiting on these good boxers he beat that gets him into top 10.

Ever heard of these guys ?

date Lb opponent Lb wld last 6 location
2004-12-11 250 Danny Williams 270 32-3-0
Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 1:26 | Referee: Jay Nady | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele 70-60 | Judge: Jerry Roth 70-59 | Judge: Duane Ford 70-60 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
Williams down in the 1st, 3rd, 7th & 8th rds.

2004-04-24 245 Corrie Sanders 235 39-2-0
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 2:46 | Referee: Jon Schorle | Judge: Marty Denkin | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele | Judge: Alfred Buqwana ~
~ Vacant WBC Heavyweight Title ~

2003-12-06 250 Kirk Johnson 260 34-1-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 2 12
~ Time: 2:54 | Referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | Judge: Fred Ucci | Judge: Melvina Lathan | Judge: Tom Kaczmarek ~
WBC Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2003-06-21 248 Lennox Lewis 256½ 40-2-1
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA L TKO 6 12
~ Time: 3:00 | Referee: Lou Moret | 58-56 | 58-56 | 58-56 ~
~ WBC Heavyweight Title ~
~ IBO Heavyweight Title ~
Fight stopped due to a Klitschko cut.

2002-11-23 246¾ Larry Donald 225½ 39-2-2
Arena Westfalenhalle, Dortmund, Germany W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 2:35 | Referee: Stanley Christodoulou | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Guillermo Pérez Pineda | Judge: Jose Laurino ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~
WBA Heavyweight Title Eliminator

2002-02-08 244¾ Vaughn Bean 217½ 42-2-0
Volkswagen Halle, Braunschweig, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:40 | Referee: Terry O'Connor ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-12-08 249 Ross Puritty 247 28-14-3
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 11 12
~ Time: 1:16 | Referee: John Coyle ~
~ WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2001-01-27 249 Orlin Norris 230½ 51-6-0
Rudi Sedlmayer Halle, München, Germany W KO 1 12
~ Time: 1:09 | Referee: Dave Parris | Judge: Francisco Martinez | Judge: Ove Ovesen | Judge: Axel Zielke ~
~ Vacant WBA Inter-Continental Heavyweight Title ~

2000-11-25 248¾ Timo Hoffmann 253 21-0-0
Preussag Arena, Hannover, Germany W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Richard James Davies | Judge: Antonio Pasamar 119-109 | Judge: Kurt Ströer 120-108 | Judge: Axel Zielke 120-108 ~
~ Vacant EBU (European) Heavyweight Title ~

2000-04-01 244¼ Chris Byrd 210¾ 30-1-0
Estrel Convention Center, Berlin, Neukölln, Germany L RTD 9 12
~ Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Melvina Lathan 88-83 | Judge: Ruben M. Garcia Dr. 89-82 | Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-12-11 244¾ Obed Sullivan 227¾ 34-5-1
Sporthalle, Hamburg, Alsterdorf, Germany W TKO 9 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 90-81 | Judge: Victor Salomon 90-81 | Judge: Axel Zielke 90-81 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~
Sullivan fails to answer the bell for Round 10. Ruled as a TKO after the 9th round.

1999-10-09 246 Ed Mahone 229¼ 21-0-2
Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 1:45 | Referee: Rudy Battle | Judge: Luis Pabón 20-18 | Judge: Luca Montella 20-18 | Judge: Axel Zielke 20-18 ~
~ WBO Heavyweight Title ~

1999-06-26 245¾ Herbie Hide 221 31-1-0
New London Arena, Millwall, London, England W KO 2 12
~ Time: 1:14 | Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Raúl Caíz 9-10 | Judge: Harold Lederm