I SWEAR IF I EVER SEE THAT DOUCHEBAG FROM THE TRUTH COMMERCIALS

[SalTheButcher]

I haven't had any problems with that, I don't do it during the daytime and I get all my shit done and still have a lot of ambition. It's just that it's true that it makes you short winded. I am straining a lot on my first and second sets when it used to be my third and fourth sets that I would start going out. Worst of all, I did about 20 push ups and had to stop for a second when normally I can bang out 40 rapid fire. I am at a bit of an altitude though so I think that has worked against me aswell.

I don't buy the stuff about it making you not want to succeed or that it shortens your memory because other then forgetting what I did when I was high on rare occasions, it doesn't have any of the effects it shows in those dumbass above the influence commercials.

It's just the fitness thing, you can always tell who smokes and who doesn't when you go to the gym and I'm starting to feel like the ones who do even though I smoke like 4 times a week at the very most and haven't been going at it for long at all.

i used to smoke LITERALLY about 50 dollars of weed a day minimum, and it kind of makes that whole period hazy thinking back, but the worst effect it had was indeed the fitness aspect, i smoked a fuckload of ciggarettes back then too, now i havent smoked ciggarettes for over a year and only smoke weed when i am EXTREMELY drunk off my ass which is like once every two months at most, id rather stop that all togeather tho

[luvfightgame]

I like those commercials. I want to see the same type start being run about credit cards and the whole banking industry. White collar criminals dude. They are the worst kind, they do the most immoral and unethical things but payoff politicians to make them "legal". I agree that it's a persons choice to smoke, but to intentionally make your product more addictive is wicked. There is no question that they have done this.

The banking and credit industry is even worse. If all the people truly understood how these industries work there would be a revolution the same day. Seriously. Worse than drug dealers, worse than child molesters. Not joking.

are you saying there's acetone in credit cards?

lol. dude, just cut up your F****** cards! lol.

That's cute. I am sure that ingesting acetone is a little different than it being on your fingernails. Handling something and it being harmless is different than inhaling it. Chlorine and or bleach is harmless unless you start sniffing or drinking it.

Overall the commercials are humorous and real. I like the body bag one where they stand outside the building and lay down to show how many people die an hour from smoking. To me it is absolute insanity for the FDA to ban a product like ephedrine because one person died after overdosing and being dehydrated, but tobacco companies have the stiff requirement of putting a warning label on their product. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying yearly and as long as there a warning label it's ok and they are free to continue to add other chemicals to help make sure they have their customers devoted till death do they part.

And the banking and credit card industries are worse because they are also selling cancer. They do it intentionally and it is a well designed trap. Our corporately funded politicians allow these scam artists to trick and trap normal people by writing really long and EXTREMELY deceptively worded "agreements" loaded with legal language and tricky terms and conditions. It's like saying if you don't want to get robbed just stay home. They need to be treated just like criminals because they are, just smarter than the average inmate.

By the way since your a chemist can you tell me how much of rat poison is actual poison and how much is bait?

HAHAHAHA

1 - the commercials are full of LIES and completley distorted facts

2 - ephedrine was a product designed to increase weight loss when u excercised, and it made it dangerous to excercise with it in your system

3 - if some kid decides to get himself a credit card and charge a bunch of S*** on it thats his choice, just like smoking, only the dangers of smoking are CLEARLY outlined, and as you say they may not fully understand the debt they are getting into, but i still say thats thier own fault

4 - financial corporations have about 5% as much power over congress as media companies do

5 - the only place kids are gonna see advertisements for ciggarettes is those F****** commercials

1. What lies? Are you contending that smoking isn't dangerous? That people don't get cancer more often if they smoke or live and work around smoke?

2. Ephedra was being used for 30+ years in bodybuilding before someone decided to mass market it. There is an extremely low percentage of people that suffered side effects from ephedra in comparison to tobacco. Ephedra was banned because of money, not safety. The pharmaceutical companies were marketing their diet products for over $100 bucks a bottle and anybody could manufacture an ephedra based product and sell it for $20 a bottle and it was really hurting the pharmaceutical companies. They were protecting their investment, not worrying about public safety. By the way all the decision makers in the FDA have worked or do "side" work for the pharmaceutical companies.

3. My point about the credit industry is that they make sure that people don't understand their terms. If we ban ephedra cause it's dangerous and the uninformed public needs protection from the people that sell it, why not a credit card that is designed to trap you? Sal I am willing to bet you don't really understand how the credit industry operates. If you did you'd be more pissed than when someone KTFO of your boy Zab.

4. Actually they are almost all owned by the same few corporations if you trace it down enough. The media is owned by financial companies. G.E. has their hand in everything including finance.

5. That may be true now, but 15 years ago it was not the case. Smoking commercials were everywhere. The marlboro man was one of the most recognized figures.

[luvfightgame]

I haven't had any problems with that, I don't do it during the daytime and I get all my S*** done and still have a lot of ambition. It's just that it's true that it makes you short winded. I am straining a lot on my first and second sets when it used to be my third and fourth sets that I would start going out. Worst of all, I did about 20 push ups and had to stop for a second when normally I can bang out 40 rapid fire. I am at a bit of an altitude though so I think that has worked against me aswell.

I don't buy the stuff about it making you not want to succeed or that it shortens your memory because other then forgetting what I did when I was high on rare occasions, it doesn't have any of the effects it shows in those dumbass above the influence commercials.

It's just the fitness thing, you can always tell who smokes and who doesn't when you go to the gym and I'm starting to feel like the ones who do even though I smoke like 4 times a week at the very most and haven't been going at it for long at all.

Just because those side effects don't show up immediately doesn't mean they don't show up. Trust me dude, I have plenty of examples of long term pot smokers, and they are always doing the same thing. They get content to stay where their at and just get high. The fitness part is immediately but the mental part takes longer but is much more hazardous.

It's not an extremely addictive or violent drug that completely eats your life up like coke,crystal,heroin, etc. But it will rob you of your desire in the longterm. Overall it's not worth it, it kind of lulls you to sleep.

[SalTheButcher]

i know close to 50 people who abuse the fuck out of weed, and i pretty much see the poeple who would be fuck offs without it being fuck offs and the people who had some type of drive before weed still doing something with themselves


cocaine is another story, ive seen a fuckload of people get fucked over from coke, its cuz they get addicted before they realize how much they are doing and then they are afraid to go through withdrawl so they end up just doing more and more, its never pretty when they do eventually quit

when it comes to weed, as long as you would be fine without smoking ever again your ok, its when you need to smoke everyday and you cant function without it that it becomes a problem, its a drain on your time and money at that point, but STILL the physical efects outweigh the other effects by a large ammount


also, the most dangerous thing to get addicted to is alcohol, the reason being that withdrawl from alcohol is the one withdrawl that can kill you, its cuz ethanol can function in place of another chemical you need to survive, what happens is when there is ethanol in ur blood so much that you dont even need the natrural chemical the brain just stops making it and uses the ethanol, and when you stop drinking you are left without the ethanol OR the natural chemical, that why you gotta be carefull with the drinking

[El Kabong]

Tobacco industries do do some fucked up shit, like chewing tobbacco putting those crystals that cut your gums to absorb nicotene, that is fucked up.

That's DIP.....chewing tobacco is just chewing tobacco, with dip you put a wad between your gums and bottom lip and it just sits there.....the fiberglass crystals do cut your mouth though.....being A: From the south (North carolina specifically, the #1 tobacco producing state in the US) B: a former baseball player (high school) I was bound to try it.......I absolutely fucking hated it though....nasty as shit.

I'd rather smoke a cigar or ......something else other than tobacco

[SalTheButcher]

Tobacco industries do do some fucked up shit, like chewing tobbacco putting those crystals that cut your gums to absorb nicotene, that is fucked up.

That's DIP.....chewing tobacco is just chewing tobacco, with dip you put a wad between your gums and bottom lip and it just sits there.....the fiberglass crystals do cut your mouth though.....being A: From the south (North carolina specifically, the #1 tobacco producing state in the US) B: a former baseball player (high school) I was bound to try it.......I absolutely fucking hated it though....nasty as shit.

I'd rather smoke a cigar or ......something else other than tobacco

i used to love dip, skoal was the shit, i used to get maad high in this kids basement, and he would allways have maad skoal and pipe tobacco and shit like that, and i would stick like a fucking 2 ounce wad in my mouth and that shit would actually get u buzzed if u put enough of it in there, i LOVED that shit, and i would smoke a ciggarette after and get so lightheaded, im sure it wasnt a good idea but it was as fun as fuck


also, yes thats dip that cuts your gums, and it is made to do that, thats how it works, you spit out the liquid so by cutting your gums it has a chance to get niccotine into your blood... which is the whole point of using it



one time i was in a casino, and i had brought a water bottle of smirnov with me, so i drank like 75% of that shit and then i started getting drinmks cuz those shits are free, and was fucking FUCKED the fuck up, so i had a cigar and i started smoking that shit and i decided i was too fucked up and it was time to go to sleep (i had been in the casino for like 12 straight hours and it was like 7 or 9 AM, so i start walking towards the elevators and right as im getting close i accidentley inhale the cigar(my instincts from the years of smokiing ciggarettes kicked in) and then i did it again, and then i did it another fucking time and i was pissed cuz your not supposed to inhale that shit, so i took out of my pocket what i thought was a bottle of water and i started to chug it, so i start thinking 'damn this water taistes sweet, it must be the cigar that im taisting' so then i swallowed again, and then i felt a bit of a burn and i realized it was the smirnoff, at that point i realized i was now going to be WAAAAY to fucked up to close my eyes when that sjit kicked in so i turned right around and i remained in the casino until i think 6 PM, lost a fuckload of money

[El Kabong]

....awwwww damn boy, you inhaled the cigar?!?!?! Fucking sucks man.....do that once and you never do it again, instant nicotine poisoning (which is nothing more than feeling like dog shit and puking your guts out).....same thing happens if you accidentally swallow dip juice

[amat]

Didn't know the difference between dip and tobbacco. I did dip once one night, the shit was awesome, gave me a buzz and everything and it was the only time I ever did an type of tobacco other then cigars. Never knew anything about it, then it starts to BURN through my lips but my friend says don't worry the buzz is awesome. The buzzed kicked in and when it did it was INSTANT. It kicked in in midstep. Me and 3 others friends dabbled a bit, they had these weak ass gas station cigars and we go to this girl's apartment and we all never did it again because the girls could smell it on our breath. They were freshman though so we got them to order us pizza and go swimming

As for cigars, I snatch some real good ones from my dad sometimes and they are so chill, they relax the fuck out of me. And Cubans have taste. But I haven't had one in months other then a blunt my friend rolled.

I'm in high school so I'm gonna drink every chance I get and I workoff alcohol, hell the best shape I was ever in I was getting drunk on schoolnights. But I can go without it too and once I get out of college I'm done with it.

And I've inhaled a cigar once and actually got the wrapper leaves down my throat, I gagged. First time I smoked weed I got ash from this girl's wackass pipe and that almost made me never smoke again.

[Von Milash]

Hey Luv,

What's the physical state of acetone at room temperature?

do you really want to get into an organic chemistry pissing match with a guy who's got a masters degree in organic chemistry? (But maybe you have a Ph.d. in it.)

[SalTheButcher]

heres a story,

one time i was cracking a philly to roll a blunt and there was a RUGGED ass piece of plastic right in the middle of it, like the plastic around the cap of a snapple bottle, that shit wou7ld have been deadly is someone smoked that shit

[amat]

heres a story,

one time i was cracking a philly to roll a blunt and there was a RUGGED ass piece of plastic right in the middle of it, like the plastic around the cap of a snapple bottle, that shit wou7ld have been deadly is someone smoked that shit

I was in the car one time when there was a dead bug in his cigar. How would plastic kill you? The fumes from it being burned?

[SalTheButcher]

heres a story,

one time i was cracking a philly to roll a blunt and there was a RUGGED ass piece of plastic right in the middle of it, like the plastic around the cap of a snapple bottle, that shit wou7ld have been deadly is someone smoked that shit

I was in the car one time when there was a dead bug in his cigar. How would plastic kill you? The fumes from it being burned?

yea, although i guess it wouldnt be too bad as you wouldnt be inhaling it, but still that shits toxic

[boozeboxer]

How did I know Sal and Lyle would dominate this topic. Lyle, we never talk man. You being a history major and shit we should chill sometime. And none of that conservative shit. C/

[luvfightgame]

Hey Luv,

What's the physical state of acetone at room temperature?

do you really want to get into an organic chemistry pissing match with a guy who's got a masters degree in organic chemistry? (But maybe you have a Ph.d. in it.)

Don't know.

But why not, this is the internet. I can huff and puff all I want. And if I need some info I can always look it up on wikipedia.

I got a black belt in CRAZY!!!!

Seriously though, I recognize your expertise in chemistry. Are you telling me that ingesting acetone is harmless?

And that none of the added chemicals in cigarrettes are harmful?