Man,What A Shame

[Lords Gym]

There is a little Mike Tyson in us all , make no mistake.

[Punisher136]

There is a little Mike Tyson in us all , make no mistake.

Indeed. I once bit somebody because they headbutted me except i aimed for their forehead.

[NuthaPug]

Yeah, everything's as simple as that.

Both insulting and ignorant, VD. Not to say cheap and unreflective. Did I mention ignorant?

Ice Cold, too ... how easy you guys find it to categorize and judge, like you see and know all.

Someday, folks will say the same kinds of things about you for something you did for very complex and difficult reasons which you may not fully understand yourself ... but that other person will pigeonhole you and explain you with one swift descriptive phrase, and it's as simple as that.

Very philospical Nutha, cool click for that.

But people are always stereotyping/judging on what they know little of. Can blame people for that, everyone does it. Like you said most people don't often fully understand what leads themselves to certain actions, much less have the ability to understand another's.

If someone robs a bank, a lot of people not only label them as a criminal, but as a bad person.

The media is a faceless enemy and tyson didn't know how to deal with it. He didn't bow down to it... he let out his resentment towards it. Now he's still dealing with how disgraceful "the world" thinks he is.

I don't think Tyson is more mentally ill than millions of people walking the streets who live normal lives.

Like everyone he has his good and his bad sides.

People are not responsible for the illnesses they suffer from (outside events and people can cause them), but they are responsible for their actions while suffering from it. Mike tyson didn't make himself bi-polar but mike tyson did commit the crime.

Sometimes folks are responsible for their actions when suffering from ceratin illnesses, and sometimes they are not, if we're speaking in legal terms.

I do not at all hold Tyson up as a complete victim who did bad things because he was both disturbed and manipulated. He lives as a responsible person in this world along with the rest of us, and we all have to make choices on how to live and act. We do this each with our own mixture of desires, challenges, weaknesses, strengths ... sometimes our lusts, weaknesses, despair (throw in a bit of booze to enhance) are quite powerful in comparison with our "better self" ... it is still incumbant upon us to live responsibly among our fellows.

Certainly there are those who took advantage of Tyson, and this was one of the things that played into his own life perspective. That doesn't turn you into a rapist or an ear-eater.

But the flippant manner in which some categorize others is shallow, incorrect and ungenerous. That's not as serious a crime as rape or even aural canibalism ... but it is still wrong. That means that we're not dealing with our own limitations very graciously or well ... we share that same human nature that led Tyson astray.

I've lived among ghetto folk, and was insulted for all of them by the comment that 'you can take a person out of the ghetto, but not the ghetto out of the person.' It is an ignorant statement because it appears to know nothing of the real people in the ghetto, most of whom have the same dreams and desires and values as the folks who live in nicer places. It's hard to live good when you have nothing, real hard. Some of them do, and some of them don't, but that's not so different from those that do have, is it?

[NuthaPug]

There is a little Mike Tyson in us all , make no mistake.

you said it much more succinctly than I ...

[Punisher136]

Yeah, everything's as simple as that.

Both insulting and ignorant, VD. Not to say cheap and unreflective. Did I mention ignorant?

Ice Cold, too ... how easy you guys find it to categorize and judge, like you see and know all.

Someday, folks will say the same kinds of things about you for something you did for very complex and difficult reasons which you may not fully understand yourself ... but that other person will pigeonhole you and explain you with one swift descriptive phrase, and it's as simple as that.

Very philospical Nutha, cool click for that.

But people are always stereotyping/judging on what they know little of. Can blame people for that, everyone does it. Like you said most people don't often fully understand what leads themselves to certain actions, much less have the ability to understand another's.

If someone robs a bank, a lot of people not only label them as a criminal, but as a bad person.

The media is a faceless enemy and tyson didn't know how to deal with it. He didn't bow down to it... he let out his resentment towards it. Now he's still dealing with how disgraceful "the world" thinks he is.

I don't think Tyson is more mentally ill than millions of people walking the streets who live normal lives.

Like everyone he has his good and his bad sides.

People are not responsible for the illnesses they suffer from (outside events and people can cause them), but they are responsible for their actions while suffering from it. Mike tyson didn't make himself bi-polar but mike tyson did commit the crime.

Sometimes folks are responsible for their actions when suffering from ceratin illnesses, and sometimes they are not, if we're speaking in legal terms.

I do not at all hold Tyson up as a complete victim who did bad things because he was both disturbed and manipulated. He lives as a responsible person in this world along with the rest of us, and we all have to make choices on how to live and act. We do this each with our own mixture of desires, challenges, weaknesses, strengths ... sometimes our lusts, weaknesses, despair (throw in a bit of booze to enhance) are quite powerful in comparison with our "better self" ... it is still incumbant upon us to live responsibly among our fellows.

Certainly there are those who took advantage of Tyson, and this was one of the things that played into his own life perspective. That doesn't turn you into a rapist or an ear-eater.

But the flippant manner in which some categorize others is shallow, incorrect and ungenerous. That's not as serious a crime as rape or even aural canibalism ... but it is still wrong. That means that we're not dealing with our own limitations very graciously or well ... we share that same human nature that led Tyson astray.

I've lived among ghetto folk, and was insulted for all of them by the comment that 'you can take a person out of the ghetto, but not the ghetto out of the person.' It is an ignorant statement because it appears to know nothing of the real people in the ghetto, most of whom have the same dreams and desires and values as the folks who live in nicer places. It's hard to live good when you have nothing, real hard. Some of them do, and some of them don't, but that's not so different from those that do have, is it?

I highly doubt VD would say anything intending to hurt someone's feelings.

On a serious note tho, its just a saying, let it go. Words are only words nothing more.

[Trainer Monkey]

But to say, I'm not gonna be like that...it takes a lot to do that when you have nothing in the refrigerator. It takes a lot. That's adversity. It's so easy to take the easy way out. It's so easy to lay down. It's so hard to get up.-Bernrard Hopkins
This is the fight that got me thinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SNJgYKtt0o

[ICB]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up so i heard i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him chose the bad path.

[Punisher136]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad shit and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

[ICB]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't turn you into a bad person and he didn't have it any worse than what any other child goes through when they have very bad childhood.

[Trainer Monkey]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't make you a bad person.

It does increase your odds
And isnt it interesting that you laud this person as being "one of the bravest people Ive ever known" but deride Mike in the same breath.
Doesnt an assumption that just because one person overcame long odds means everyone should be able to,belittle that persons accomplishment?

[Punisher136]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't turn you into a bad person and he didn't have it any worse than what any other child goes through when they have very bad childhood.

I'm saying actions make a person bad not their upbringing. Their upbrining does however shape them into the person they are to an extent.

[ICB]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't make you a bad person.

It does increase your odds
And isnt it interesting that you laud this person as being "one of the bravest people Ive ever known" but deride Mike in the same breath.
Doesnt an assumption that just because one person overcame long odds means everyone should be able to,belittle that persons accomplishment?

Look im sorry to sound aggressive but im sick of these excuses he went through bad time but so what ?? alot of people do and they don't all turn into bad people no one makes you turn into anything.

[ICB]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't turn you into a bad person and he didn't have it any worse than what any other child goes through when they have very bad childhood.

I'm saying actions make a person bad not their upbringing. Their upbrining does however shape them into the person they are to an extent.

I understand this im not saying it doesn't but what im saying is alot of people go through very bad parts in there lives but its how you deal with it and you can use it to make you stronger person or you can crumble its simple as that and im not saying people are weak if they crumble not everyone is a strong person mentally.

[Trainer Monkey]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't make you a bad person.

It does increase your odds
And isnt it interesting that you laud this person as being "one of the bravest people Ive ever known" but deride Mike in the same breath.
Doesnt an assumption that just because one person overcame long odds means everyone should be able to,belittle that persons accomplishment?

Look im sorry to sound aggressive but im sick of these excuses he went through bad time but so what ?? alot of people do and they don't all turn into bad people no one makes you turn into anything.

Still missing the initial point
What if Cus hadnt died that early?
What if someone who actually gave a damn about anything more then Mikes money had stepped in to fill the void?
Young,short on life experience,and making millions is a bad combo without some form of mentorship,I cant help but wonder that it didnt have to be this way

[ICB]

So icb,Your relation got done for 10,000,000 in cold blood then have the FBI, because they couldnt get the main man imprison you to F*** the other guy from making money. At the trial having 3 top agents there in a town where they had never seen 1 do me a favour. My mate was covering the trial and told me it was the biggest stitch up he had seen, hes not a Tyson fan.

And how does that turn someone into a bad person ?? and yes my relation had way more things happen to them than what Tyson had and guess what ?? they went through bad S*** and turned into one of the nicest people i've ever met and i admire that person one of the bravest humanbeings i've ever seen they dealt with it Tyson done it all to himself no one made him do anything he was bad even when he was with Cus they tried to cover it up i don't hate Tyson but no one made him do anything we all have choices in our lives and Tyson sadly for him choice that bad path.

I have a hard time believing that anybody out there had it worse than tyson. He was guardianless at 13. He was deep into trouble by that time too (drugs, crime etc.). Had a rough rough childhood if you could call it that.

So what ?? alot of people go through bad childhood that doesn't make you a bad person.

It does increase your odds
And isnt it interesting that you laud this person as being "one of the bravest people Ive ever known" but deride Mike in the same breath.
Doesnt an assumption that just because one person overcame long odds means everyone should be able to,belittle that persons accomplishment?

Look im sorry to sound aggressive but im sick of these excuses he went through bad time but so what ?? alot of people do and they don't all turn into bad people no one makes you turn into anything.

Still missing the initial point
What if Cus hadnt died that early?
What if someone who actually gave a damn about anything more then Mikes money had stepped in to fill the void?
Young,short on life experience,and making millions is a bad combo without some form of mentorship,I cant help but wonder that it didnt have to be this way

You can say that about anyone there are alot of ifs in this life who knows what would of happened ?? maybe it would of got worse maybe it would of got better ?? but no one can 100 percent predict anything its all just ifs.