Where would Evander Rank All Time PFP If He Beats Ibrigamov

[JT Rock]

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

[Dark Lord Al]

Lets decide if he does win a version again

[brucelee]

Holyfield will surely be remembered in history just don't know how high.

[X]

It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?

[ICB]

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??

[brucelee]

It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?

you said it straight X.

[JT Rock]

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??

His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status

[ICB]

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??

His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status

Difference is Duran had over 100 fights and i don't consider Duran top 5 anyway but Holyfields best wins are.

Mike Tyson
Old Larry Holmes
Old George Foreman
Riddick Bowe but i count this as a loss because he lost the trilogy
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
James Douglas
Bert Cooper
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer


These names don't make you top 5 p4p no way should Holyfield be that high Foreman wasn't when he won title at 45 yet he had better wins and better record than Holyfield im not trying to diss Holyfield i admire the guy and always enjoy his fights but i disagree totally with top 5 p4p of all time thats bit extreme imo.


But if we are just talking Heavyweights then thats a different story i would have him just outside the top 5 all time Heavyweights.


Now if he would of beaten those guys i just put in bold in there prime then that would of been a different story

[DaxxKahn]

It would be an admirable feat, and I would take my hand hat off to him ..... but I don't really think that beating someone like Ibragimov for an alphabet belt would qualify him to leapfrog the Ali, Louis, Foreman, Johnson-type of people?

I have to agree about that...What does balance it out though is the fact he was considered shot....Then came back again,,,,,,so that adds to it.....IMO anyway

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

Sorry JT im massive Holyfield fan and beating Ibrigamov would be good achievement considering his age but top 5 p4p of all time are you serious bro ?? unless i have misunderstood ??

His achievements at Cruiser and Heavyweight in his prime were something of legend now factor in at 45 regaining a piece of the Heavyweight title is something special.... Look at Holyfield at 45. Forget the steroids speculation... The guy is as finely tuned an athlete that there is competing today and thats in any weight class. Sure he has 8 losses but take a guy like Duran who has 16 losses and is considered by many top alltime PFP, I concede Duran spread his legacy out thru a myriad weight classes, but to take a guy like Holy that had accompolished great feats at Cruiser and then to go on and have memorable and remarkable wins at Heavy garners special consideration as far as a big man being considered all time PFP status

Difference is Duran had over 100 fights and i don't consider Duran top 5 anyway but Holyfields best wins are.

Mike Tyson
Michael Moorer
Old Larry Holmes
Old George Foreman
Riddick Bowe but i count this as a loss because he lost the trilogy
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
James Douglas
Bert Cooper
Ray Mercer


These names don't make you top 5 p4p no way should Holyfield be that high Foreman wasn't when he won title at 45 yet he had better wins and better record than Holyfield im not trying to diss Holyfield i admire the guy and always enjoy his fights but i disagree totally with top 5 p4p of all time thats bit extreme imo.


But if we are just talking Heavyweights then thats a different story i would have him just outside the top 5 all time Heavyweights.


Now if he would of beaten those guys i just put in bold in there prime then that would of been a different story

Top 5 of all time is a bit extreme that I agree with.....

As far as his list of opp and those guys being past their prime ect...he put who was in front of him...won some lost some but always put on a great performance and never lost as a quitter.....

He fought some guys past their best but also went in as the smaller man.....Like I said about X's comment....It balanced out.....yes those guys were past their best but also he overcame size....

all in all I will put him 5 or 6 as all time HW....as for P4P of all time he is no where near the top 10...I don't even put him in top 20

[JT Rock]

Well top 5 and you know what I will change my stance and say no lower than 10 and that is my opinion, besides Daxx I am yet to see someone respond to the question of the thread

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

ALL TIME P4P?? Im not sure it does much to boost his ratings in that catagory... Given the fact that the state of the Heavyweights has only got worse since his last bout of good form.


If were talking about All-Time Heavyweight Greats then one thing everyone has to conceed is that He would surely rank higher than Foreman... Where ever he may be ranked respectively.

While your at it, you could put him higher than Fraizer, Tyson, Liston & Dempsey.

[DaxxKahn]

Well top 5 and you know what I will change my stance and say no lower than 10 and that is my opinion, besides Daxx I am yet to see someone respond to the question of the thread

You know what you are right....i got so wrapped up in reading a responding to everyone elses thread I totally forgot it was P4P you asked about.....

I would put him somewhere between 25-30 All Time P4P.....

You have the regs off the top of my head.....

Robinson, Armstrong, Pep ect....Then guys like Leonard,,Hearns,,,Duran,,,,Chavez,,,Whitiker,,,San chez and a bunch more I can not come up with at the moment......but 25 is not bad as an all time great....

[Mikkel_K]

I think taking into consideration that he was the greatest Cruiserweight of all time and being one of the best heavies, regardless of what you think of Imbrigamov at Evanders age to attain the Heavyweight championship for the 5th time.

I gotta believe he has to break into the top 5 PFP all time greats list if he wins

As impressive a feat as it would be - and I dont think Holyfield will succeed - beating Sultan Ibragimov for the WBO belt wont make much of a difference on Holyfield's resume vis a vis the alltime best p4p. In fact I think people in the grand historic scheme of things would be offended by even noting the WBO title 'the Heavyweight championship'.

Holyfield is a bona fide 3 time champ with wins against several HW legends, but there is a distinct difference between bouncing back to defeat Frazier or Foreman or to bounce back to beat John Ruiz or Sultan Ibragimov, especially when the latters are/were both considered (among) the weakest titlists out of four.

Also, Holyfield definetely deserve credit p4p for being a natural cruiser (sort of), as opposed to say Klitschko or Lewis who could never fight below heavy. However most heavyweights thtoughout history would be cruisers by today standards, e.g. Rocky Maricano (who never fought above 190 according to boxrec)), Joe Louis (who fought most of his career below 200). Heck even Ali could/would have been a cruiser in the beginning of his career. So in all honesty, Holyfield may be the best cruiser ever, but he is not the best fighter ever weighing in at 190 in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong - I like Holyfield. A lot. But there is no way he should be all time top 5 p4p. Top 25 is more likely.

[El Kabong]

Right now I think he's already up there with Charles since Holyfield started out at cruiserweight

[The Rookie Fan]

Honestly, I don't think it should make any diference on his legacy or P4P ATG status if he wins or loses. His legacy is solidified and this fight ain't gonna make it better or worse. Which proves once again that he should retire before he gets hurt permanently, if he has not already, because unless he beats someone like Klitchko, which he ain't, it just won't make much of a difference. We have all seen his best and he is not going to top his best at age 45.

With that said, winning a 5th title will still be a great achievement even though the last two were totally BS titles.

I for one will never concider him a 5 time HW champion. I have yet to consider him a 4 time HW champion. To me he remainds a 3 time HW champion.