whats up with baby bull calling out pac?

[El Gamo]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking.

Ok bro,sure thing

[brucelee]

Ohh sorry. I forgot Guzman and Soto. Anyway, Soto will more or less be like Solis. Guzman and Valero could upset Pacquaio but that should be after the JMM fight.

I take it you have not seen La Zorrita fight because he is NOTHING like SOlis....

I've seen him fought against Bobby Pacquaio. Am not really sure about how he will fare against Manny. I do not rate Bobby highly. Soto knocking Bobby was nothing to me. Let's see if Soto will be able to make a stand against Guzman. By then, I will give him a chance against pacquaio. Haven't seen his fights yet except against Bobby.

Will watch sotto's fights later.

[ACEA]

why shouldnt Juan Diaz call Pac out? Would u rather fight a decent fighter in Casamayor or the P4P no 2 fighter in the world? Pac and Juan would be an action packed war possibly one of the greatest fights ever i dont see the point in Pac going after David Diaz he would probibly KO his ass within a few rounds especially since an over the hill Morales push him all the way and deserved the decision. Pac proves nothing beating this guy but beating Juan would make him the man at 135 and maybe give him the P4P no 1 spot

[CutMeMick]

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

first and foremost thanks for your belief in PAC Mick
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor
I'm just scared of PAC losing BIGTIME to a fight he really does not need

That's what it's about man, the thrill and the rush as fan to know your going into the lions den and just going in firing on all cylinders.
How do you think I felt as ODLH fan knowing he was facing P4P #1 PBF and knowing he had a damn good chance of wining? Or how do you think ALL the Hatton fans are gonna feel come fight night? All those crazy chanting Hatton fans are rush seekers and they love it.
Believe man I'm starting to think Pac is some like experiment from somewhere man like hes not human or something. I don't know man the more I see Pac fight the more I believe that hes unstoppable.
Well as fans we gotta understand that you win some you loose some but you walk out with your head held high. It's not like Pac is undefeated I mean hes lost before and hes bounced back.

When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?

He doesn't need a belt the whole world knows hes the best Super Feather. Hes already established that, if theres a fight at Super Feather it's JMM but with all the politic talks already bubbling it seems likely that it wont happen.What he does need as I said is go for big move up in weight and beat the guys there at Lighweight I mean none of them are really Elite except for Casa but it'll look good on Pacs resume the same way PBF has skipped and jumped in and out of divisions fighting only the top guys and claiming champioship status that's what Pac can do here.

When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?

You make perfect sense Mick but what about Guzman or Soto both of these guys are very capable of beating PAC too.
Sounds like you have a lot of faith in PAC Mick, As a PAC fan I really appreciate it.
by the way I just got this from PACLAND:
http://philboxing.com/news/story-13266.html

looks like a possiblity

As I sat and watched Pac vs. MAB II, I told the people in the room "Pac is from another planet he's not human" everyone laughed I mean it's like nothing phases him or bothers him. Hes full on and in zone when hes on the wrong... I mean he was waiving at people from his corner and smiling, Roach had to tell him something like Quit playing games Pac and pay attention or something like that.

[shza]

CC you back Bro, I don't want to make it sound personal but it kinda sounds personal when Juan said something like fighting a younger mexican fighter since PAC has already beaten a great Mexican legend. It really sounds like a DESPERATE approach of looking for somebody to beat the hell out of PAC and they're actually naturally BIGGER guys. I guess we should call Juan Diaz. Juan "the Bully" Diaz

Except that Pac on fight night has outweighed Juan Diaz on fight night for like their last three fights. Pac has weighed 145 in both of his last two. That's about what Mayweather weighed against DLH. Juan weighed 142 tonight. How would fighting Pac make him a bully? It wouldn't be unreasonable (in terms of weight) for Pac to step up against Mayweather, let alone Juan Diaz. But then we'd see how far ahead of the pack (excuse the pun) Mayweather really is.

Personally, I think Juan vs. Pac would be a great fight--two come-forward guys in there together . . . it would be a non-stop action fight. It would probably be the most exciting action fight you could make at 130 and/or 135. There are obviously other good fights for either guy in their own weight classes (Pac vs. JMM really ought to happen; Pac vs. Guzman (after he beats Soto); Juan Diaz v. Casamayor ought to happen; Juan vs. David Diaz wouldn't be terribly competitive but at least it would unify the alphabets) -- but I'm surprised to see so much hate here about Juan just saying he'd like the fight. I guarantee you all would watch it--and many of you would pay for the PPV. I would.

[brucelee]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking.

Ok bro,sure thing

Am serious bro. Marquez will be having more trouble against Pacquaio now. I honestly believe he won't be able to knock out Manny.... that's why Manny will win it this time. Manny has improved a lot compared to their first fight.You know that.

[brucelee]

I don't understand this dislike people are having with Pac moving up in weight and fighting guys in the divisions.

I doesn't make sense, you guys are saying that Pac would be fighting guys who are naturally bigger then him, well duh! that's why it's called moving up in weight.

Duran started off as a Bantamweight and fought as a Lightweight, Ligh Welterweight, Welterweight, Ligh Middleweight, Middleweight and so on.
I mean fighters move thru weight classes and fight it's what they do.

If Pac want's to be P4P #1 and he want's to cement his legacy even more then why not move up in yet another weight class and give it a go.
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor.
If anything all the big Pac fans should hope and pray that the Diazs and Casa take the bait and fight Pac. I think Pac beats all of them.
Possibly Casa giving him the closest fight but even then I think Pac wins it comfortably.

first and foremost thanks for your belief in PAC Mick
You guys should be supporting Pac. No one at Lightweight IMO even has a slight chance at beating Pac not Juan, not David nore Casamayor
I'm just scared of PAC losing BIGTIME to a fight he really does not need

That's what it's about man, the thrill and the rush as fan to know your going into the lions den and just going in firing on all cylinders.
How do you think I felt as ODLH fan knowing he was facing P4P #1 PBF and knowing he had a damn good chance of wining? Or how do you think ALL the Hatton fans are gonna feel come fight night? All those crazy chanting Hatton fans are rush seekers and they love it.
Believe man I'm starting to think Pac is some like experiment from somewhere man like hes not human or something. I don't know man the more I see Pac fight the more I believe that hes unstoppable.
Well as fans we gotta understand that you win some you loose some but you walk out with your head held high. It's not like Pac is undefeated I mean hes lost before and hes bounced back.

When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?

He doesn't need a belt the whole world knows hes the best Super Feather. Hes already established that, if theres a fight at Super Feather it's JMM but with all the politic talks already bubbling it seems likely that it wont happen.What he does need as I said is go for big move up in weight and beat the guys there at Lighweight I mean none of them are really Elite except for Casa but it'll look good on Pacs resume the same way PBF has skipped and jumped in and out of divisions fighting only the top guys and claiming champioship status that's what Pac can do here.

When you say a fight that he really doesn't need you mean he shouldn't move up in weight?
Also if you feel he doesn't need to fight at Lightweight period then do you feel that by Pac beating a young and IMO still greeen Champ. Valero it will be a fight he needs?

You make perfect sense Mick but what about Guzman or Soto both of these guys are very capable of beating PAC too.
Sounds like you have a lot of faith in PAC Mick, As a PAC fan I really appreciate it.
by the way I just got this from PACLAND:
http://philboxing.com/news/story-13266.html

looks like a possiblity

As I sat and watched Pac vs. MAB II, I told the people in the room "Pac is from another planet he's not human" everyone laughed I mean it's like nothing phases him or bothers him. Hes full on and in zone when hes on the wrong... I mean he was waiving at people from his corner and smiling, Roach had to tell him something like Quit playing games Pac and pay attention or something like that.

Nice of you to observe this cutmemick. have you seen the face of Pacquaio after the 12th round. he was even wondering that the fight has already ended. he can still continue for another 5 rounds without being sluggish.

[shza]

It kills me that everyone on this site rates Casamayor so highly. I never have...he's just a bit too dirty for me likings for one thing...but I won't get into all that.

I'm still working my way through this thread, but I had to stop and give you a hard time on this one. This is coming from B-Hop's #1 fan? I'm sure you'll respond with plenty of distinctions, but to me B-Hop is the closest analog in the heavier weights for Casamayor (especially the way they've both fought lately--in their middle age).

Seriously though, I think you have to give Casamayor credit. He is the linear champ in the division (Corales beat Castillo; Casamayor beat Corales), and no one has been willing to fight him since he took that title. It's a little strange--until you consider that (like B-Hop) he's super crafty and really fucking tough to beat. But I do agree I don't seriously enjoy watching him fight (same goes for the 40+ B-Hop; I can respect those guys, but I'm never paying for another of their PPVs again).

[shza]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking.

Ok bro,sure thing

Am serious bro. Marquez will be having more trouble against Pacquaio now. I honestly believe he won't be able to knock out Manny.... that's why Manny will win it this time. Manny has improved a lot compared to their first fight.You know that.

Yeah, sorry Gamo, but I've got to agree with brucelee on his one. Pac, while he's still technically flawed, has improved greatly since Marquez I; whereas I feel that Marquez, in what's honestly the twilight of his career, has gotten sloppier. Marquez has been way more come-forward, and has eaten a lot more shots, in his last few fights. And as we saw in round 1 of Pac-Marquez I, he absolutely can't afford to take shots against Pac. I'll say it now--Marquez is past his prime and Pac will KO him in the rematch. But it WILL be exciting.

[El Gamo]

Gamo, you know am an avid fan of Pacquaio. I feel it. That's why I am excited that pacquaio will go up in weight coz the only opponents who can win against Pacquaio are the ones who has the power to knock him out. Believe me, it's only valero who can win against Pacquaio in the superfeather. But Valero is still lacking in skills so he won't be prepared yet to fight Pac. Pacquaio needs a fighter who has the necessary skills and the POWER to knock him out. We can only find this necessary 'ingredients' in the lightweight division.

Fair enough man but I still disagree,Morales didn't ko him,neither did JMM. They outboxed him and when they had to,outfought him. I can see what you mean though,but I dont understand your last sentence. JMM/Diaz/winner of Soto v Guzman all have a chance.

The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking.

Ok bro,sure thing

Am serious bro. Marquez will be having more trouble against Pacquaio now. I honestly believe he won't be able to knock out Manny.... that's why Manny will win it this time. Manny has improved a lot compared to their first fight.You know that.

Yeah, sorry Gamo, but I've got to agree with brucelee on his one. Pac, while he's still technically flawed, has improved greatly since Marquez I; whereas I feel that Marquez, in what's honestly the twilight of his career, has gotten sloppier. Marquez has been way more come-forward, and has eaten a lot more shots, in his last few fights. And as we saw in round 1 of Pac-Marquez I, he absolutely can't afford to take shots against Pac. I'll say it now--Marquez is past his prime and Pac will KO him in the rematch. But it WILL be exciting.

Well to me,and most other fans,it would be a great fight and also,I was rolling my eyes at the comment:

"The ingredients for a victory against pacquaio is skills and POWER. Not the power JMM possesses. It's lacking."

JMM's power lacking? Excuse me if I'm wrong but didn't Manny het his ass rocked at least twice BADLY? As for your points SHZA,they are indeed valid. JMM does not counter punch in fights as much but mayeb thats because he was facing guys he thought he could(and did) KTFO. He has certainly eaten alot more shots but I'm certain he would be smarter v Manny.

Manny has improved,no doubt about that whatsoever but the 2 main reasons JMM did so well was because he backed Manny up(Manny can't fight well going back) and he countered,because Manny is usually off balance after throwing punches(he still has this flaw too)

[KKisser]

let marquez dominate juarez then he can be in the mix for the pac lottery. otherwise manny's challenges at 130 can only come from valero and the winner of soto-guzman fight. if jmm wins a close decision against juarez, it would be well advised for him to take the lower % of the purse offered to him by pac's camp just so the fans can watch the fight they all want to see or he can just repeat the mistake he made the first time he turned down the rematch.

i don't really care if manny takes a "tune-up" fight first against d. diaz at lightweight or go straight to juan d. but i have my reservations him taking on casa. even if manny beats him which i think he can, people will just say that he beat another old fighter on the slide especially that casamayor has been inactive, so manny wouldn't get much credit. just let pac go up to 135 and fight juan diaz or katsidis, those are the fights i want to see at the higher division but i wouldn't mind him facing david diaz so much.

[El Gamo]

I just want to add,it's a silly thread title. Calling out happens all the time in boxing,whether it be someone in the lower divisions or the higher divisons. I mean if I remember correctly,Manny re hydrated to 144? And Juan was 142 last night? So there can't be that big a difference between them and also Manny/Arum sid they were moving to 135,that's another reason Juan called him out.

[brucelee]

I just want to add,it's a silly thread title. Calling out happens all the time in boxing,whether it be someone in the lower divisions or the higher divisons. I mean if I remember correctly,Manny re hydrated to 144? And Juan was 142 last night? So there can't be that big a difference between them and also Manny/Arum sid they were moving to 135,that's another reason Juan called him out.

For me,it 's okay that Juan is calling on Manny. Anyway, everybody wants to fight Manny.

I've watched again the MArquez vs Pacquaio fight. I stand by my comment earlier that Marquez will have a hard time fighting pacquaio next time. Let me enumerate the reasons:

First, Marquez fought a Pacquaio who has only his left hand as a weapon before. Now, Manny has both.

2nd, I have a video now (just currently purchased it) of Pacquaio showing his swollen left hand during their first fight. He showed it to a Filipino newscaster during the interview immediately after the fight. Pacquaio also showed his swollen foot. Believe me, Marquez was fighting an incapacitated Pacquaio before.

[BoomBoom]

Juans been under the radar for too long now and he needs a big name fight. Frietas was supposed to be Juans leap into the spotlight but even though he was very immpressive he still seemed to be ignored by most people in the sport. Pac is a big name in boxing. David Diaz is not so I can completely understand why he would want to fight Pac. A win over him would elevate him in the p4p rankings and create more interest and bigger paydays.

[El Gamo]

I just want to add,it's a silly thread title. Calling out happens all the time in boxing,whether it be someone in the lower divisions or the higher divisons. I mean if I remember correctly,Manny re hydrated to 144? And Juan was 142 last night? So there can't be that big a difference between them and also Manny/Arum sid they were moving to 135,that's another reason Juan called him out.

For me,it 's okay that Juan is calling on Manny. Anyway, everybody wants to fight Manny.

I've watched again the MArquez vs Pacquaio fight. I stand by my comment earlier that Marquez will have a hard time fighting pacquaio next time. Let me enumerate the reasons:

First, Marquez fought a Pacquaio who has only his left hand as a weapon before. Now, Manny has both.

2nd, I have a video now (just currently purchased it) of Pacquaio showing his swollen left hand during their first fight. He showed it to a Filipino newscaster during the interview immediately after the fight. Pacquaio also showed his swollen foot. Believe me, Marquez was fighting an incapacitated Pacquaio before.

Oh shit,how could I forget the socks?! Manny was wearing the wrong socks for the fight wasn't he? And was the hand swollen before or after the three knockdowns?