How about Hagler vs RJJ ?

[Mr140]

If it is the Hagler that showed up in the Hearns fight i say Hagler would stop RJJ.

[ICB]

the postings are interesting because you can tell by the opinion what generation a person is. THe ones who liked Hagler are in their 40s-50s and the ones who like Jones 20-30s. Just opinion. I am going to say Hagler because Marvin fought better guys.. He took a beautiful punch by Hearns which should have leveled him and came back and fought the round of history in round one. Roy did not fight the opposition of Marvin Hagler and to say he would win is just presumptuous of some. It is not that easy. And I am saying you put the Hagler who fought Hearns in with Jones and Jones has a problem. You put the Hagler who fought Leonard (Hagler was sort of inactive for 2 years since the Hearns fight) and Jones has a chance. After Hearns, Hagler fought only one time in 2 years until fighting Ray. He did not look good with Ray and I could tell this before the first bell rang. Against Hearns he looked 5 years younger than when he fought Ray. Hearns fought the better Hagler. Fact is that Jones is like alot of guys now. boxers who knockout lesser opponents with his speed yet he never fought his equals. Anda fighters equals never go down easy.

I am going to say Hagler because Marvin fought better guys.. He took a beautiful punch by Hearns which should have leveled him and came back and fought the round of history in round one.

Jones also fought very good opposition just because Hagler took one good right hand from Hearns doesn't mean he would beat Jones Hearns just fought a bad fight by trading with a natural Middleweight when Hearns chin isn't all that great.

Roy did not fight the opposition of Marvin Hagler and to say he would win is just presumptuous of some. It is not that easy.

Hagler's best wins were against fighters moving up in weight.

Just compare there records for a second.

Hagler's best wins.


Thomas Hearns
John Mugabi
Juan Domingo Roldan
Roberto Duran
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho
Alan Minter


Roy Jones's best wins


Virgil Hill
Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Montel Griffin



These names alone trumps most of Hagler's opposition except Hearns and Duran but Duran was natural Lightweight and Hearns was natural Welterweight.



And I am saying you put the Hagler who fought Hearns in with Jones and Jones has a problem. You put the Hagler who fought Leonard (Hagler was sort of inactive for 2 years since the Hearns fight) and Jones has a chance.

I have said this time and time again that Hearns fought a very bad fight trying to go to war with Hagler and Hagler basically took over after the 1st round just because Hagler beat suspect chin Hearns in a shoot out doesn't mean he could beat Roy Jones Jr in boxing match because thats what kind of fight it would be had they met.



Fact is that Jones is like alot of guys now. boxers who knockout lesser opponents with his speed yet he never fought his equals. Anda fighters equals never go down easy.

Jones beat 4 Hall Of Famer's and beat good opposition he beat the best opposition of his era name me another fighter that beat as many good names as Jones did in last decade or achieved what Jones did ?? i don't think your find many.

[Mr140]

Hey hearns may have been a Welter weight but he went on to win titles in LH and CW so he was a bigger guy then Hagler i thought.

[Mr140]

How is Hill that good of a name he lost to older Hearns and he was younger and better shape then the version Roy beat.

[ICB]

How is Hill that good of a name he lost to older Hearns and he was younger and better shape then the version Roy beat.

Hill is better name than most of Hagler's opposition.

John Mugabi
Juan Domingo Roldan
Vito Antuofermo
Mustafa Hamsho
Alan Minter


So are Hopkins, Toney, and McCallum.

[Mr140]

Are talking about the same Mike McCallum that was 40 when Roy beat him and far away as prime as you can get.

[ICB]

Are talking about the same Mike McCallum that was 40 when Roy beat him and far away as prime as you can get.

McCallum was still very good fighter he went on to fight Toney in there rubbermatch and give Toney a good arguement.

[Mr140]

Hearns is better win then Hopkins and Tony So they are pretty even on wins. The others are close and Duran was better then a lot of them as well and Mike was 40 so he should not even count as a win so i still see it even if not better for Hagler when you look at when they beat them.

[ICB]

Hearns is better win then Hopkins and Tony So they are pretty even on wins. The others are close and Duran was better then a lot of them as well and Mike was 40 so he should not even count as a win so i still see it even if not better for Hagler when you look at when they beat them.

Even with Hearns and Duran Jones whole career was better he had the better wins.

[Mr140]

Well if you took away Bernard and Tony then i pretty sure Roy career would be tarnished to.

[Mr140]

I do not think so i mean besides Tony and Bernard the other two are a old Mike and Hill that was not that great.

[ICB]

I do not think so i mean besides Tony and Bernard the other two are a old Mike and Hill that was not that great.

Virgil Hill not that great ?? you know many records that man broke ?? and that Jones was only one to stop him ?? thats way better than anything on Hagler's record not including Duran and Hearns plus Duran was dead even with Hagler after 12 rounds until he run out of gas.

[Mr140]

Yet again what i was saying those two names alone i believe make his resume better then Roys welcome to disagree.

[Mr140]

And ice no offence but come on you can not take away a guys best wins that what define them.

[Mr140]

And i have not seen the first Griffen fight but he gave Roy problems by the look of it and not sure why the second fight. Griffen is not a good name either besides a win over Roy by Dq he did not do much for his career. So then there is Bernard which he won but it was no blow out and Tony was weight drained but no excuse he was owned. Then there is MaCallum who was best weight was 154 and he fought roy at 175 and at 40 went all 12 rounds with him and you may make funt of duran being at Lightweight at prime but you do not Bring up that MaCullam fought at a lower weight to and he lost a big fight so he was below the big guys in the 1980s guess what i am saying is that Hagler will win a UD and i will leave it at that i guess.