~ I am now FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF ~

[Puya]

Well I criticize it from day one when I heard that the fight will take place at 147 instead at 140 but that's Hatton's fault for accepting that. Why in GODS GREEN EARTH if you are fighting at 154 and then challenge the top guy at 140 to fight at 147 knowing he did not did so good in his last visit at that weight.

Hey I like Ricky 5'6" he along Cotto 5'8.5" and Tito 5'11" among others are in my boxing dictionary right beside the word heart.

Hey Floyd 5'9" has mad skill but I can't call him the best WW while he is no fighting the best at WW.

Who's the best at WW then

Cotto that is

[CutMeMick]

I don't see how anyone can be FULLY CONVINCED that PBF cannot be beat when he CLEARLY has NOT fought the BEST in his division!

As I said I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here but I don't see how Cotto can beat PBF.
I'm sorry but I don't.... PBF is IMO light years ahead of everyone something like Pernell was in the 90's just in a league of their own.
PBF is too skilled for Cotto and the same way he nullified Hatton attack he'd nullify Cottos attack I don't care how much of a natural Welter Cotto is PBFs skills exceed far beyond anyone at 147 or 154.

Until he fights Cotto and after Williams has a few more fights underneath then there is NO WAY anyone can say that Floyd has beat the BEST in his division period!

Guess what then once he beats Cotto & Williams maybe Berto will be around by then.
Then people will say well what about Berto and so on and so on. Until father time catches up to PBF and he ends up loosing to one of the young bloods. But by then we'll all know PBF was past his best.... Sanchez786 that's the cycle of boxing as the seasoned fighters get older the much younger ones come into play and so and so on until some dethrones them.
Look at Pac he came in at a perfect time when Erik, MAB & JMM were all seasoned vets with loads of fights under them.
If PBF continues to fight this might eventually happen.

CC Mick.. there will ALWAYS be a "young up and comer". There will always be "what ifs".. but there is no denying that Floyd is the best in the division, and is p4p #1 regardless of who he HASN'T fought.

CC on me RP33...

[CutMeMick]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

Right.
I was convinced that PBF would win but not in the style in which he did and also not many if all thought PBF would stop Hatton.
Well for the later part of PBFs career hes been taken apart (me included) by everyone from performances to opponents to just about anything.
I was looking at his career last night and early this morning and just the way hes evolved and the way hes been able to adapt to any style that his opponents have brought.
The Hatton fight proved to me that PBF is light years ahead of everyone I mean this was the best 140 pounder in the world.
In past times we've had 2 of the best from 2 weight classes face off and we've applauded the winner and decorated him.

Evanders move from Crusier to Heavy
Dawsons move from Super Middle to Light Heavy
Cervantes move from Light Welter to Welter
Emile from Welter to Middle
Foster from Light Heavy to Heavy

Some succeed others didn't but you gotta applaud the winner regardless. I just think this whole Hatton was smaller and couldn't fight his style is a bullshit! excuse. Last night showed that PBF is IMO unbeatable I just don't see how Cottos style or Williams style can cause him problems. Whatever issues you and I think of PBF will find a way to just shut it out and not let them execute their game plan. Well I speak for almost all of the Hatton fans here and some none Hatton fans who were just hoping he'd win when I say that they all thought Hattons agressive style would trouble PBF and Hatton would give PBF a tough fight. Well PBF picked him apart and pretty much dictated a fight where most everyone thought Hatton would dictate it and set the pace.

I like that first point you made, about being convinced that PBF would win but not in the style he did. That was the most impressive thing for me as well. Not only did he engage Hatton, but a lot of the time he was fighting Hatton's fight and beating him in it. Then when he chose to box on the outside and showcase his defense he showed complete control. This was a fight where Floyd showcased his depth and versatility, but then again that is what we expect from a #1 p4p guy like him.

Hatton was faster then I expected him to be, especially early. But his punches did not seem to have much behind them and I saw very few (if any) combinations from him. I am not trying to take anything away from Hatton here, but his biggest assets in the fight were heart, aggressiveness, and determination. Against a guy like Floyd, that's just not going to work if you can't out muscle him on the inside. And that's where Hatton's lack of power was very evident. Floyd could tell that wasn't an issue and that's why he readily engaged hatton on the inside.

You are right that no one will be favored to beat Floyd. But the best way to see if floyd is unbeatable is to put him in there with the dogs. What happens if someone has enough power to get inside his head and slow him down? Make him hesitate. There are guys out there that might give mayweather some REAL trouble. I still wouldnt bet against him though.

cc for your good respose too.

CC#250 on me dasamm...
I guess I was just REALLY impressed with PBFs performance last night...
Only time will tell, and to be honest IF and when he faces Cotto or Williams it will be yet another year in his life and he'll be older.

[Puya]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

Right.
I was convinced that PBF would win but not in the style in which he did and also not many if all thought PBF would stop Hatton.
Well for the later part of PBFs career hes been taken apart (me included) by everyone from performances to opponents to just about anything.
I was looking at his career last night and early this morning and just the way hes evolved and the way hes been able to adapt to any style that his opponents have brought.
The Hatton fight proved to me that PBF is light years ahead of everyone I mean this was the best 140 pounder in the world.
In past times we've had 2 of the best from 2 weight classes face off and we've applauded the winner and decorated him.

Evanders move from Crusier to Heavy
Dawsons move from Super Middle to Light Heavy
Cervantes move from Light Welter to Welter
Emile from Welter to Middle
Foster from Light Heavy to Heavy

Some succeed others didn't but you gotta applaud the winner regardless. I just think this whole Hatton was smaller and couldn't fight his style is a bullshit! excuse. Last night showed that PBF is IMO unbeatable I just don't see how Cottos style or Williams style can cause him problems. Whatever issues you and I think of PBF will find a way to just shut it out and not let them execute their game plan. Well I speak for almost all of the Hatton fans here and some none Hatton fans who were just hoping he'd win when I say that they all thought Hattons agressive style would trouble PBF and Hatton would give PBF a tough fight. Well PBF picked him apart and pretty much dictated a fight where most everyone thought Hatton would dictate it and set the pace.

I like that first point you made, about being convinced that PBF would win but not in the style he did. That was the most impressive thing for me as well. Not only did he engage Hatton, but a lot of the time he was fighting Hatton's fight and beating him in it. Then when he chose to box on the outside and showcase his defense he showed complete control. This was a fight where Floyd showcased his depth and versatility, but then again that is what we expect from a #1 p4p guy like him.

Hatton was faster then I expected him to be, especially early. But his punches did not seem to have much behind them and I saw very few (if any) combinations from him. I am not trying to take anything away from Hatton here, but his biggest assets in the fight were heart, aggressiveness, and determination. Against a guy like Floyd, that's just not going to work if you can't out muscle him on the inside. And that's where Hatton's lack of power was very evident. Floyd could tell that wasn't an issue and that's why he readily engaged hatton on the inside.

You are right that no one will be favored to beat Floyd. But the best way to see if floyd is unbeatable is to put him in there with the dogs. What happens if someone has enough power to get inside his head and slow him down? Make him hesitate. There are guys out there that might give mayweather some REAL trouble. I still wouldnt bet against him though.

cc for your good respose too.

CC#250 on me dasamm...
I guess I was just REALLY impressed with PBFs performance last night...
Only time will tell, and to be honest IF and when he faces Cotto or Williams it will be yet another year in his life and he'll be older.

I can understand Mick that you were very impresse with Floyd vs Hatton and all but to start making excuses for him when he fights Cotto or PW is clearly no you man. Wow i'm shocked

[LeftHookToTheBody]

CutMeMick--That's all well and good if you don't think Cotto or Williams have a chance against Floyd, but I'm curious to know WHY specifically you think that? All you've done is make the blanket statement with no specifics. With Williams in particular I'm curious to know what strategy you think Floyd would be able to use that not only would beat Williams, but give Williams no chance to win? What could he do to avoid Williams jab and get on the inside and do effective work on a consistent basis? Fighting on the outside is not an option given Williams' size and reach.

[SweetPea]

I would favor Floyd against any fighter out there.

However, it goes too far to say that Williams and/or Cotto don't have a shot at beating him. I gave Hatton basically no shot to win, but Cotto and Williams bring a lot more to the table than Hatton.

About a year ago I said Cotto had basically no shot, but since that time he has added a ton to his game, especially the jab and straight right hand.

Williams' size and reach could give Floyd lots of problems. In fact, I always use Williams as Example A of the type guy who could give Floyd problems. Floyd is a master of distance, and against Williams, he would be forced to fight inside Williams' reach and constantly be in danger of being hit.

[CutMeMick]

Cutmemick, a lot of people were already fully convinced no one could beat floyd and had been for years. I am curious what did the Hatton fight prove to you? Was it just Floyd's skills overall or was there something about Hatton you thought would trouble him?

Right.
I was convinced that PBF would win but not in the style in which he did and also not many if all thought PBF would stop Hatton.
Well for the later part of PBFs career hes been taken apart (me included) by everyone from performances to opponents to just about anything.
I was looking at his career last night and early this morning and just the way hes evolved and the way hes been able to adapt to any style that his opponents have brought.
The Hatton fight proved to me that PBF is light years ahead of everyone I mean this was the best 140 pounder in the world.
In past times we've had 2 of the best from 2 weight classes face off and we've applauded the winner and decorated him.

Evanders move from Crusier to Heavy
Dawsons move from Super Middle to Light Heavy
Cervantes move from Light Welter to Welter
Emile from Welter to Middle
Foster from Light Heavy to Heavy

Some succeed others didn't but you gotta applaud the winner regardless. I just think this whole Hatton was smaller and couldn't fight his style is a bullshit! excuse. Last night showed that PBF is IMO unbeatable I just don't see how Cottos style or Williams style can cause him problems. Whatever issues you and I think of PBF will find a way to just shut it out and not let them execute their game plan. Well I speak for almost all of the Hatton fans here and some none Hatton fans who were just hoping he'd win when I say that they all thought Hattons agressive style would trouble PBF and Hatton would give PBF a tough fight. Well PBF picked him apart and pretty much dictated a fight where most everyone thought Hatton would dictate it and set the pace.

I like that first point you made, about being convinced that PBF would win but not in the style he did. That was the most impressive thing for me as well. Not only did he engage Hatton, but a lot of the time he was fighting Hatton's fight and beating him in it. Then when he chose to box on the outside and showcase his defense he showed complete control. This was a fight where Floyd showcased his depth and versatility, but then again that is what we expect from a #1 p4p guy like him.

Hatton was faster then I expected him to be, especially early. But his punches did not seem to have much behind them and I saw very few (if any) combinations from him. I am not trying to take anything away from Hatton here, but his biggest assets in the fight were heart, aggressiveness, and determination. Against a guy like Floyd, that's just not going to work if you can't out muscle him on the inside. And that's where Hatton's lack of power was very evident. Floyd could tell that wasn't an issue and that's why he readily engaged hatton on the inside.

You are right that no one will be favored to beat Floyd. But the best way to see if floyd is unbeatable is to put him in there with the dogs. What happens if someone has enough power to get inside his head and slow him down? Make him hesitate. There are guys out there that might give mayweather some REAL trouble. I still wouldnt bet against him though.

cc for your good respose too.

CC#250 on me dasamm...
I guess I was just REALLY impressed with PBFs performance last night...
Only time will tell, and to be honest IF and when he faces Cotto or Williams it will be yet another year in his life and he'll be older.

I can understand Mick that you were very impresse with Floyd vs Hatton and all but to start making excuses for him when he fights Cotto or PW is clearly no you man. Wow i'm shocked

Excuses Puya?? Do you realize that I am a COTTO fan?
Puya if they fight in 2008/2009 Am I lying when I say another year has gone by?

CutMeMick--That's all well and good if you don't think Cotto or Williams have a chance against Floyd, but I'm curious to know WHY specifically you think that? All you've done is make the blanket statement with no specifics. With Williams in particular I'm curious to know what strategy you think Floyd would be able to use that not only would beat Williams, but give Williams no chance to win? What could he do to avoid Williams jab and get on the inside and do effective work on a consistent basis? Fighting on the outside is not an option given Williams' size and reach.

As I said I think in this thread or another one can't remember now.
I can def. see Williams giving PBF trouble early in the fight due to his reach & output especially while PBF adjusts... But after that's over and PBF sets himself I can just see PBF figuring out Williams and just picking him apart.

I will also say this I would def. be rooting for Cotto if he ever fights PBF.

[ICB]

1st and foremost I gotta applaud PBF for his fucken brilliant performace.

If he could just shut his mouth and fight more often like last night he'd be more liked and applauded.


But anyway... What a fight that was....

I was thinking last night as the fight was on,
How in the world is PBF a better inside fighter then Hatton? WTF? I could not believe my eyes last night. PBF was the one mugging and beating Hatton on the inside. This S*** reminded of the way Cotto & SSM switched roles with Cotto outboxing SSM....
Now posters here wanna blame Cortez please! this was a difficult fight to ref I think Cortez was a bit too aggressive early on but then calmed down later in the fight. For those who keep finding excuses stop it cause there arent any.

After last nights performance I gotta say I am FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF. I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here back in 2005 when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW, JamesFatToney & some other posters here were bashing Cotto. I told all of them that Cotto was the future that within some fights he'd prove that he was someone to beat. Well guess what I don't think Cotto stands a chance against PBF.

Not Cotto
Not Margarito
Not Williams
Not Cintron
Not Forrest
Not Spinks
Not no one.....

I am alos fully convinced that PBF is withouth a doubt the BEST FIGHTER this era has produced and his skills in the ring are fucken mind blowing. The way in which he has evolved throught the years the way in which he can adapt to any style that any fighter presents. The way PBF caught Hatton with the left hook early in the fight was IMO an early indication of things to come. I turned to my friend and said if Hatton keeps jumping in like that hes gonna get caught with a right hand... Well to my and everyones surprise it was a left hook that did the job. I don't see anyone beting PBF unless PBF has the worst night of his life in the ring. I'd also like to say that last nights win IMO catapults PBF in the all time ranks & all time P4P rankings.
I think I had PBF somewhere around 20 I'm not too sure but this win surely gives him a few steps up towards #1.
IF PBF decides to continue fighting and IF PBF does face any of these opponents and wins he IMO will most defintely jump to somewhere in the top 10 all time list. In no particular order: Cotto, Williams, Cintron or Forrest.
Now I understand not all of them are big names but they are considered as some of the best today and IF PBF can defeat one maybe two of them that IMO will further more advance him in the all time rankings.

To the Hatton fans...Chin up man.. Your boy did 'ya proud. He chased the champion he went after the man got his shot at him. Theres no shame in loosing to the best in the world. Hatton needs to solidify himself at 140 as one of the best ever he is now but he needs some of the other names on his resume. Witter, Maliganggi, Torres IMO Hatton should go back out there and just take 140 by storm if he wants to cement his legacy.

Also I'd like to point out that this picture here below is a scan of something that has become one of my most prized posessions.

(Ring Magazine signed by PBF)

But anyway... What a fight that was....

I was thinking last night as the fight was on,
How in the world is PBF a better inside fighter then Hatton?
WTF? I could not believe my eyes last night. PBF was the one mugging and beating Hatton on the inside. This S*** reminded of the way Cotto & SSM switched roles with Cotto outboxing SSM....
Now posters here wanna blame Cortez please! this was a difficult fight to ref I think Cortez was a bit too aggressive early on but then calmed down later in the fight. For those who keep finding excuses stop it cause there arent any.


Its not surprising to me, i see Mayweather out slug Chavez, Ndou, before. I kept telling people that Mayweather vs Hatton will be similar to Chavez vs Mayweather, but everyone kept saying "no way Mayweather can fight on the inside and beat Hatton etc"

He uses great technique on the inside, standing in the pocket with his shoulder roll defense using uppercuts and left hooks then making his opponent miss then countering it is amazing to watch.


After last nights performance I gotta say I am FULLY convinced that no one can beat PBF. I am by far the biggest Cotto fan here back in 2005 when ROCKYMARSHMELLOW, JamesFatToney & some other posters here were bashing Cotto. I told all of them that Cotto was the future that within some fights he'd prove that he was someone to beat. Well guess what I don't think Cotto stands a chance against PBF.

I wouldn't write off Cotto as much as what your doing, im Mayweather fan but Cotto's patient aggression. Could work better against Mayweather similar to how Castillo's patient aggression worked by choosing his spots well and not just rushing in and throwing 100+ punches a round.

Not Cotto
Not Margarito
Not Williams
Not Cintron
Not Forrest
Not Spinks
Not no one.....

Margarito would get a boxing lesson he is far too slow and throws wild punches, it would be one sided boxing lesson.

Williams would give Mayweather his toughest fight, out of all the other Welterweight's he has alot of advantages like. Height, Reach, Workrate, plus he has good boxing skills and he uses good angles while on the inside and outside i see that as very close fight.

Cintron Would get battered from pillar to post i don't need to explain that one.

Forrest would do well against Mayweather, Forrest has a good jab which is good against speed fighters. Plus he has Height, Reach, advantages, it would be horrible stylistic fight for Maywetaher.

Spinks would just make Mayweather look horrible, Spinks would give Mayweather a hard time but he would lose with the scorecards reading, 117-111 116-112 116-112

I am alos fully convinced that PBF is withouth a doubt the BEST FIGHTER this era has produced and his skills in the ring are fucken mind blowing. The way in which he has evolved throught the years the way in which he can adapt to any style that any fighter presents. The way PBF caught Hatton with the left hook early in the fight was IMO an early indication of things to come. I turned to my friend and said if Hatton keeps jumping in like that hes gonna get caught with a right hand... Well to my and everyones surprise it was a left hook that did the job. I don't see anyone beting PBF unless PBF has the worst night of his life in the ring. I'd also like to say that last nights win IMO catapults PBF in the all time ranks & all time P4P rankings.
I think I had PBF somewhere around 20 I'm not too sure but this win surely gives him a few steps up towards #1.
IF PBF decides to continue fighting and IF PBF does face any of these opponents and wins he IMO will most defintely jump to somewhere in the top 10 all time list. In no particular order: Cotto, Williams, Cintron or Forrest.
Now I understand not all of them are big names but they are considered as some of the best today and IF PBF can defeat one maybe two of them that IMO will further more advance him in the all time rankings.

I totally agree with this and well said, people may dislike him but they cannot deny his amazing talent. Im not sure where i would have him in All Time P4P Rankings, but probably at 19 i think.If he beats Williams or Cotto he could very well jump up into top 10 or just outside top 10.One thing i dislike Mick is that people say Mayweather is boring etc etc, when infact he has been in lot of good fights.

Mayweather vs Judah
Mayweather vs G. Hernandez
Mayweather vs Corrales
Mayweather vs Castillo 1
Mayweather vs Manfredy
Mayweather vs Chavez
Mayweather vs Judah
Mayweather vs Gatti
Mayweather vs Burton/Augustus
Mayweather vs Corrales
Mayweather vs Corley

And most of Mayweather's early fights are exciting aswell, thats how you can always tell when people say Mayweather is boring, that they have hardly watched any of his fights.

To the Hatton fans...Chin up man.. Your boy did 'ya proud. He chased the champion he went after the man got his shot at him. Theres no shame in loosing to the best in the world. Hatton needs to solidify himself at 140 as one of the best ever he is now but he needs some of the other names on his resume. Witter, Maliganggi, Torres IMO Hatton should go back out there and just take 140 by storm if he wants to cement his legacy.

Agreed here as well Hatton fans have nothing to be ashamed of there fighter lost to the best fighter in the world. Top 5 defensive fighter of all time, Top 10 most skillful fighter of all time, Hatton done a bit better than i expected because he did make it an ugly fight and he was only behind about 2 or 3 on Leddermans scorecard, but even though i had it a bit wider going into the 10th still well done Hatton.

[SigmaMu]

Sorry CutMeMick but no one can beat a chump who does not want to fight.
Floyd only fights old men and midgets now.
No one can beat Floyd because he is afraid to fight anyone now.

[CutMeMick]

Sorry CutMeMick but no one can beat a chump who does not want to fight.
Floyd only fights old men and midgets now.
No one can beat Floyd because he is afraid to fight anyone now.

Too funny Danny...
But something tells me they will meet somewhere in 2008.

[OumaFan]

I would favor Floyd against any fighter out there.

However, it goes too far to say that Williams and/or Cotto don't have a shot at beating him. I gave Hatton basically no shot to win, but Cotto and Williams bring a lot more to the table than Hatton.

About a year ago I said Cotto had basically no shot, but since that time he has added a ton to his game, especially the jab and straight right hand.

Williams' size and reach could give Floyd lots of problems. In fact, I always use Williams as Example A of the type guy who could give Floyd problems. Floyd is a master of distance, and against Williams, he would be forced to fight inside Williams' reach and constantly be in danger of being hit.

CC. Exactly how I feel, I'd favor him over him all guys but I definitely wouldn't say Cotto or Williams have no chance.

Actually nothing about the Hatton fight really surprised me that much, well I didn't think he'd stop Hatton so I guess that's not a hundred percent. It was a great performance but Floyd's shown in the past that he could do stuff like that, he's always been a great infighter, I expected a great performance.

Like you say Williams and Cotto bring a lot more to the table, a lot more. Although I think Williams could use a couple more fights, he would have to be disciplined and use his size to beat Floyd, he's a bit too willing to give up his height at the moment.

[Mar]

There will always be "floyd beat this guy but he won't beat such and such" I won't say floyd can't be beat cause anyone can get caught, but none these guys will beat him. Everyone technically has a chance i guess. But it's not as likely as people try and have us belive before each fight. But you gotta sell tickets.

[El Gamo]

I would favor Floyd against any fighter out there.

However, it goes too far to say that Williams and/or Cotto don't have a shot at beating him. I gave Hatton basically no shot to win, but Cotto and Williams bring a lot more to the table than Hatton.

About a year ago I said Cotto had basically no shot, but since that time he has added a ton to his game, especially the jab and straight right hand.

Williams' size and reach could give Floyd lots of problems. In fact, I always use Williams as Example A of the type guy who could give Floyd problems. Floyd is a master of distance, and against Williams, he would be forced to fight inside Williams' reach and constantly be in danger of being hit.

CC Sweetpea,good post,totally agree. I think Floyd is a favourite v any of these guys at WW,BUT,it's way way way too far fetched to say there is no way on the green earth that Cotto couldn't beat him. He brings FAR FAR more to the table and is FAR FAR more dangerous than Hatton. I'd choose Floyd to win,but a Cotto victory is NOT in the realms of the impossible.

[Lords Gym]

Mayweather took advantage of the opportunities he had , He closed the show impressive , That Mayweather left hook was terrific and his positioning thereafter was incredible. I love how Mayweather leaves himself in good standing after he lets his hands go. it is a masterful display of skill set.


Not to take anything away from Mayweathers performance it was fantastic..

But I thought there was something fishy going on with the ref ?? anyone else? ? , anytime you have a seasoned referee running blatant interference for one fighter over another , something is wrong . Cortez is usually very good ( this is a red flag) . . . Cortez knows better then that. He was clearly interfering with Hatton’s early momentum. He was indirectly responsible for Hatton getting cut in the 3rd round (watch the match again mates) . . The point deduction with no warning was ridiculous..

to me it just seemed that something strange was going on with the underlining fabric ??, , In the early rounds Ricky hurt Mayweather and there was immediate interference by Cortez the whole front row stood up yelling at Cortez to get out of the match ! . , your opinions ?