Boxers who loose but look better than before

[headson]

odlh vs. tito
castillio vs. pbf1 maybe corrales 1 too
malignaggi vs. cotto
estrada vs. cintron
cruz vs. casayamor
roman k vs. spinks
rocky juarez vs. barrea 1

[CutMeMick]

It was the first time Holyfield was behind in a fight, and his 10th round performance is possibly one of the greatest comeback's i've ever seen in a single round. Maybe Holyfield had better performances like in rematch with Qawi. But in this fight Holyfield was just amazing, i know he had to dig deep in his first fight with Qawi but i can't even put it into words every time i see this fight it gives me goosebumps.

Right, but then you didn't answer the question of thread. because he had some brilliant performances prior to Bowe I.

It was his first fight against elite fighter, i think out boxing a very respected Lightweight champion like Ramirez when Whitaker only had 15 pro fights is more impressive.

I think the Santana fight is you know where download it and watch then compare the performances and tell me what you think.

I agree i think how he handle James Buddy McGirt is for certain debatable on better performances, but at that time Chavez had an aura of invincibility and no one expected Taylor to out box Chavez as easily as he was doing it, so on that i rate it slightly higher.

I can't debate that as either performance could easily be seen as better then the other.

I understand what your saying but imo out boxing an ATG like Arguello after 12 rounds is superb, thats why i rate it higher because of the name Arguello is makes it that little bit more special, he was superb that night if only he didn't use up everything he had in the 12th maybe the outcome could of been different.

OK, but you gotta understand that if you are saying that Ruben was outboxing an ATG, your saying this like if people already knew Alexis was an ATG.... At that moment in time people I would say just saw it as Ruben outboxing some kid who had shown some skill against Medal whe he got a shot at the title. If you say Ruben was out boxing an ATG it sounds as if you (but you werent born yet) already knew Alexis would be or was an ATG already. That is why I say Ruben had already looked brilliant prior to that fight.

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Luis Collazo and Willie Limond spring to mind.

[ICB]

Well good debate Mick enjoyed as always CC, really and truthfully i think i know quite lot for my age but when i debate with you Mick it feels like i know hardly anything.

I'll throw and few more into the mix.


Herol Graham vs Julian Jackson
Oba Carr vs Oscar De La Hoya
Zab Judah vs Miguel Cotto
Gerry Cooney vs Larry Holmes
James Tillis vs Mike Tyson

[Memphis]

Chris Eubank V Carl Thompson

Eubank looked a shadow of his former self against Calzaghe and then went life and death with cruiser Carl Thompson. Thompson went on to put some top notch KO wins on his resume post Eubank.

[CutMeMick]

Well good debate Mick enjoyed as always CC, really and truthfully i think i know quite lot for my age but when i debate with you Mick it feels like i know hardly anything.

You shouldn't feel that way Pernell, one things for sure your posts, The Third Mans, Daxx and a handful of others always make me use every inch of my brain and that's why I come on here to this site cause I can always count on someone posting something that will make think back and or do some research.
Also maybe I should rethink the question as I'm having trouble agreeing with most of the fights that are being posted....

[ICB]

Well good debate Mick enjoyed as always CC, really and truthfully i think i know quite lot for my age but when i debate with you Mick it feels like i know hardly anything.

You shouldn't feel that way Pernell, one things for sure your posts, The Third Mans, Daxx and a handful of others always make me use every inch of my brain and that's why I come on here to this site cause I can always count on someone posting something that will make think back and or do some research.
Also maybe I should rethink the question as I'm having trouble agreeing with most of the fights that are being posted....

Your first comment is spot on Mick, thats exactly the way i feel. When i debate its fun and challenging to me at that same time plus you learn a lot at the same time. I mean i have learned loads about Olivares, Arguello, Lopez, from just debating with you. Your one of the most knowledgeable poster's on here and you always back up your post's well, thats why your one of my favorite poster's.

[CutMeMick]

Well good debate Mick enjoyed as always CC, really and truthfully i think i know quite lot for my age but when i debate with you Mick it feels like i know hardly anything.

You shouldn't feel that way Pernell, one things for sure your posts, The Third Mans, Daxx and a handful of others always make me use every inch of my brain and that's why I come on here to this site cause I can always count on someone posting something that will make think back and or do some research.
Also maybe I should rethink the question as I'm having trouble agreeing with most of the fights that are being posted....

Your first comment is spot on Mick, thats exactly the way i feel. When i debate its fun and challenging to me at that same time plus you learn a lot at the same time. I mean i have learned loads about Olivares, Arguello, Lopez, from just debating with you. Your one of the most knowledgeable poster's on here and you always back up your post's well thats why your one of my favorite poster's.

Right on Pernell.... Thanks for the comment.
SaddoBoxing P4P #1 in the world.

[Spicoli]

Azumah Nelson Vs. Salvador Sanchez

Spicoli, I'm interested in knowing where you had seen Azumah prior to the Salvador fight. I don't think I've ever chatted with someone who had seen Azumah prior to that fight. Or are you playing this one by what you saw years later. If you did see Azumah prior to the Salvador fight could you recommend any fights pre-Salvador?
Thanks.


I'm gonna disagree here with some on your list.... So you know the matchups I will list are performances in which the fighters had already looked good in before loosing in the fights you listed.

Evander Holyfield vs Riddick Bowe 1

There is no way Evander looked better on that night then on the night he fought De Leon. For starters he got hit waaaay to much against Bowe against De Leon he was just an animal....

Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1

I think this ones the most interesting one. Being that Pernell had looked great since his amateur days. I would also say he looked much better when he beat Santana. Much much better...

Meldrick Taylor vs Julio Cesar Chavez 1

This ones a tough one and heres why I think it is....
Mel started off superb I mean JCC just wasn't landing anything meaningful for the 1st half of the bout. But he let himself slip in the second part of the fight. His performance against James was decent but he wasn't wining as impressive as he was against JCC. What I think makes it a slitghlty better performance was that he was able to finish off James. I could def. see tho the JCC fight being a better performance.

Thomas Hearns vs Sugar Ray Leonard 1

The destruction of Pipino IMO was a far better performance for Hearns I think he looked much better in that fight then against SRL. I don't even think Pipino put a glove on him that night.

Antonio Margarito vs Paul Williams

I gotta disagree here 1st I didn't think he looked better then before in that fight... For starters he looked damn! rusty. Started off waaay to late and just didn't have that intenstity that I had seen before. For this one I'd say that his dominance over Diaz was a much better performance then the Williams one. So IMO Margarito had already looked good before that fight.

Ruben Olivares vs Alexis Arguello

No way man... I'm sorry if my post is coming off like this but I just completely disagree with it. I'm not sure if maybe you misread the question on the thread but Ruben had been looking great for years now prior to this bout. There are 2 performances that are head and shoulders above the rest. The 1st one being when he beat Rose for the World Titles and the second when he beat Kanazawa in the rematch. What a brilliant performance that was by Ruben....

Just my opinions here it doesn't make them right but just something to think about... Hey! someone might read my post and will completely disagree with my entire post...

Hey Mick,How goes It.All though I wish it was the case,I had not seen Nelson fights Prior to Sanchez fight but I would pay top dollar for em' .
I would venture to guess () that this was the most intense and fierce Nelson had come in for a fight through his first 13 bouts.Given the Fact that he was a late sub for Mario miranda and going against a living legend In sanchez and a virtual unknown,as stated on previous Thread,It was one of those "Sudden Sensation" fights.I received it in trade a month after seeing Nelson Ko Suarez on T.V (after FIVE attempts,it was a status thing for traders,Top trader would not let go of it,ecspecially to a "Newbie": Internet has made us ALL dinosaurs LMao) and I was a life time fan after that.
Just watching progression of career in perspective after War with Sanchez,As original thread page 1 asked,Yeh,I looked forward to seeing him After and I dont know if he had looked Better prior to Sanchez But I very much doubt It.If You EVER find early Nelson (12-0) hook a fellow addict up Mick . Great fighter!!

[CutMeMick]

Azumah Nelson Vs. Salvador Sanchez

Spicoli, I'm interested in knowing where you had seen Azumah prior to the Salvador fight. I don't think I've ever chatted with someone who had seen Azumah prior to that fight. Or are you playing this one by what you saw years later. If you did see Azumah prior to the Salvador fight could you recommend any fights pre-Salvador?
Thanks.

Hey Mick,How goes It.All though I wish it was the case,I had not seen Nelson fights Prior to Sanchez fight but I would pay top dollar for em' .
I would venture to guess () that this was the most intense and fierce Nelson had come in for a fight through his first 13 bouts.Given the Fact that he was a late sub for Mario miranda and going against a living legend In sanchez and a virtual unknown,as stated on previous Thread,It was one of those "Sudden Sensation" fights.I received it in trade a month after seeing Nelson Ko Suarez on T.V (after FIVE attempts,it was a status thing for traders,Top trader would not let go of it,ecspecially to a "Newbie": Internet has made us ALL dinosaurs LMao) and I was a life time fan after that.
Just watching progression of career in perspective after War with Sanchez,As original thread page 1 asked,Yeh,I looked forward to seeing him After and I dont know if he had looked Better prior to Sanchez But I very much doubt It.If You EVER find early Nelson (12-0) hook a fellow addict up Mick . Great fighter!!

No worries Spicoli was just curious if myabe you caught Azumah prior to that bout. But yes I agree it is safe to say Azumah had not performed better then what he did on that night. What a fight that was and Sal boxed well, not his best but very good.
Thanks Spicoli.

[headson]

chuck wepner vs. ali
herman ngoudjo vs. castillio
luis collazo vs. hatton
felix surm vs. odlh

[LEGION]

I would have said Hatton looked good even in his loss to Floyd. He did look o.k.; no worse than Gatti or Baldomir IMO.............until he had that Bruce Lee'ish check hook and marriage to the post moment. After that it is kind of hard to say he looked good

[ICB]

Tony Tucker vs Mike Tyson

Frank Bruno vs Tim Witherspoon

Michael Watson vs Chris Eubank 2 = Tragic what happened but Watson performed x2 better than he ever had.

John Mugabi vs Marvin Hagler

Mike Weaver vs Larry Holmes