Top 10 Current Mexican Fighters Plus Top 10 Best Mexicans Fighters Of All Time

[ICB]

ICB, I'm gonna be honest with you about something here this is one of the most absurd and ridiculous parts of a post I have ever seen and I've seen some ridiculous ones.

Oh well thats your problem, i just have a different opinion and you have to insult me ?? Im English yes ?? so say if i was born in the USA or any other country. It would still make me English how hard is that too understand ?? and why do you keep bringing this up ??

That's fine that you have your opinion you are entitled to that.
I never insulted you if I insulted something here it's the words that you typed. Ask anyone here if saying "I could careless where they are born they are still Mexican" is not absurd.
The title of the thread read "Top 10..... Mexican Fighters....."
The title did NOT read "Top 10 Mexican-American Fighters....."
Theres a difference there you can ask anyone.
I'm telling you this from a guy who knows what that's like from a guy whos been living thru that.

"All I know is that there Mexican"
Juan Diaz was born in Texas that's in the United States of America that by law makes him American unless he nationalizes himself by another country.

Mexican/American whatever he is still Mexican is he not ?? i didn't think when i started this thread that people were going to be so picky on Mexican/American subject jesus

You don't get it ICE.
Mexican is one thing Mexican-American is another.
The same way theres Mexicans and Indiegenous-Mexicans.
Society has segregrated the people this way NOT me. I was just trying to let you know that the fighters you were listing were not Mexican.
About the rolling of the eyes, if your gonna start a thread that reads "Top 10 Mexican fighters" you can rest assured people will pay close attention to whom you list. The other night I made a thread of African fighters and I accidently listed some fighters that were from another country and I corrected that because it's true.
Do me a favor Ice look up the definition for Mexican and then look up the definition Mexican-American you wanna know why theres 2 results because they are different. If it was the same then the definition would either be the same or it would be on the same page.

No you don't because technically there still Mexican. Yes Diaz was born in USA and he is Mexican/American BUT THAT STILL MAKES HIM MEXICAN. It doesnt matter where there born there still Mexican thats a fact.

ICE, he is American of Mexican descent.
Again society has labeled us as Mexican-American just like Latino.
ICE have you ever filled out an application let's say for college?
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say no.
The options under Race: Asian Pacific Islander African Cantonesse American Hispanic Other:________

We the people who have parents who were born anywhere in Mexico and or South American are also known as Hispanics/Latinos.

Luis Collazo was born in the states would you rate him as Puerto Rican fighter cause he is descendent of Puerto Rican blood? Matter a fact check this out Luis Collazo would be considered New Yorican that's a mixture of New York with Puerto Rican.

Like i said earlier if i was born in another Country it would still make me English end of.

Until you nationalized yourself English yes.
Other then that you by law would be considered a native of whatever country you were born in.
Check this out ICE, one of my cousins was born in Mexico both of his parents were born here in the US. Does that make him Mexican-American?
Nope he is Mexican and that's it. If Immigration shows up to his house and they knock on his door you think they're gonna ask him "Where were you born?" "Mexico" "How about your parents?" "America"
OK then you can stay here illegally. Yeah right they'll take his a** out of this country faster then what you can say 'Eureka".

I didn't think you would be so picky on American/Mexican subject and so insulting in fact im locking this topic because this is pointless.

And yet again if your doing a thread on a topic isn't it only right that I can debate and have my opinion? I wasn't being touchy about it I was just trying to make my comment about it. That fighters who are American of Mexican descent are not by law Mexican. Again Mexican-American as well as Hispanic and Latino are words that were made up by society to be able to segregrate us. If I insulted you please show me where? I used the words absurd and ridiculous to describe your post. I never once did I insult you.

In future im not debating with you anymore.

Look man I'm not sure why you are taking this debate like this. I was only trying to let you know that there a difference between Mexican-American & Mexican it is not the same.
Theres no need to tell me "In the future I wont debate with you" this is a boxing forum not a school playground where you can say "I don't wanna play with you anymore".....
I wanna go about this the right way and the rolling of the eyes and the "Well that's your problem" that you threw in there is a bit hard to swollow but I'll end this like this.
Remember when you said you were posting just to get some good debates going a couple of weeks ago. Remember I told you be careful what you wish for. You've got yourself a debate and you've changed your mind about locking the thread and opening it twice.... Now that you got what you wanted you don't know what to do with it.
ICE, I know your deal and to be honest theres a handful of people here who know your deal. You ain't foolin' nobody here well acutally maybe 1 or 2 people but those are ones who can't read between the lines. I would recommend you do as you said you would and just ignore my post I think it's for the better.

ICE, I know your deal and to be honest theres a handful of people here who know your deal. You ain't foolin' nobody here well acutally maybe 1 or 2 people but those are ones who can't read between the lines. I would recommend you do as you said you would and just ignore my post I think it's for the

So whats that implying exactly ?? i come on here to learn and have a good debate with some knowledgeable posters. You was rude to me but i can understand in this thread looking back at it that you thought my comments were disrespectful, but in a few debates we have had you are implying since i comeback all my comments have been ludicrous. Now your implying i have some sort of game plan so which is it ?? well if everyone thinks i have some sort of game plan going on like your implying i'll just leave the forum that doesn't bother me one bit i was going to have a break anyway because my girl doesn't like me coming on here for a few hours a day. I've got a lot of S*** going on at the moment and i don't really need all these implications from you.

If you think my comments were disrespectful i apologize, but i wish you would of PM me on this subject instead of bringing this topic back.

Remember when you said you were posting just to get some good debates going a couple of weeks ago. Remember I told you be careful what you wish for. You've got yourself a debate and you've changed your mind about locking the thread and opening it twice.... Now that you got what you wanted you don't know what to do with it.

This isn't a debate its an argument we already had this discussion a few weeks ago. I didn't really want to keep going over this. I started this thread in good faith like i said i didn't think people were going to to be so picky over Mexican/American subject. In future i won't make any threads like this anymore if its going to cause all this trouble, i really don't know why you brought this thread back. I removed it because i didn't want to argue anymore and nothing good can come out of this but you brought it back and carried this on i have no idea why.

Anyway i have to go out now i will be on later tonight. If your going to reply to this i would rather you PM me on this subject. Just one last thing i want to tell you that i have not got any game plan going on at all. What you see with me is the real me no BS no nonsense, sometimes my comments have a bit of sting on them and maybe a lot of people disagree but i just say what i feel at that time.

[ICB]

My father was born in Guatemala, my mother in Mexico. I was born in the US. What does that make me? I like to think I am American. I find Ice\'s comments \"All I know is that there Mexican\" to be very foolish and down right stupid. But I do not hold it against him. I just clicked on his profile. He\'s only 18. He\'s just a boy. He has not even begun to live life yet. The kid is clearly still wet behind the ears

When i said that comment VD i just wanted this end. I wern't trying to be disrespectful to anyone who is Mexican/American. I'll admit i don't know a lot on the subject i just didn't know people were going to be so picky on the subject. If i could go back i would have put Mexican/American top 10.

Ice,you need to be careful with how you word things. These guys:Mick,VD etc all know what they are talking about because it's what THEY are labelled/have been through all of that. So it's highly probable that they know more about the subject so for you to say things along the lines of it doesn't matter etc is slightly disrespectful.

Killersheep,I don't think Gonzalez deserves to be there,he is a good fighter but he needs more big wins. I think the manner in which he lost to Penelosa,Vazquez plus the going life and death with guys like William Gonzalez I think is his name was(the awesome fight with like 5 knockdowns) etc. Well,not for me.

1 Rafael Marquez
2 Juan Manuel Marquez
3 Israel Vasquez
4 Ulises Solis
5 Cristian Mijares
6 Fernando Montiel
7 Daniel Ponce De Leon
8 Jhonny Gonzalez
9 Omar Salado
10 Antonio Margarito

I'd have Margarito at 6 or 7,he's done more than those guys and beaten,P4P better fighters than them¬

I wern't trying to be disrespectful El Gamo, i have Mexican friends and when i asked them on the subject they said they class themselves as full Mexican. I had this talk with them few days ago, like i said i didn't think people would be so touchy on the subject. If i disrespected anyone i apologize but that wasn't my intention.

[Mad_Dog]

Look i don't know all the history of where all the boxers are born or whatever.

If your gonna do a list of Jamaican fighters shouldn't you know if they were born there or not?

All i know is that there Mexican. I couldn't careless where they were born there still Mexican.

ICB, I'm gonna be honest with you about something here this is one of the most absurd and ridiculous parts of a post I have ever seen and I've seen some ridiculous ones.

"All I know is that there Mexican"
Juan Diaz was born in Texas that's in the United States of America that by law makes him American unless he nationalizes himself by another country.

"I couldn't careless where they are born they are still Mexican"
Well you have to care where they are born cause your listing 'Mexican Fighters' in order for them to be on the list they need to have been born in Mexico. THEY WERE BORN IN THE U.S. and THEIR PARENTS WERE BORN IN MEXICO. I'm starting to think I must be typing in Japanese here or something.
Can somebody confirm or deny this for me?

I agree with you Cutme

some of these boys born here dont even know spanish, I would not call them Mexican. I hate these so called chicano/mexicans who's spanish sucks. I kill them I have their bodies in my fridge. you do to right cutme?

[Mad_Dog]

Look i don't know all the history of where all the boxers are born or whatever.

If your gonna do a list of Jamaican fighters shouldn't you know if they were born there or not?

All i know is that there Mexican. I couldn't careless where they were born there still Mexican.

ICB, I'm gonna be honest with you about something here this is one of the most absurd and ridiculous parts of a post I have ever seen and I've seen some ridiculous ones.

"All I know is that there Mexican"
Juan Diaz was born in Texas that's in the United States of America that by law makes him American unless he nationalizes himself by another country.

"I couldn't careless where they are born they are still Mexican"
Well you have to care where they are born cause your listing 'Mexican Fighters' in order for them to be on the list they need to have been born in Mexico. THEY WERE BORN IN THE U.S. and THEIR PARENTS WERE BORN IN MEXICO. I'm starting to think I must be typing in Japanese here or something.
Can somebody confirm or deny this for me?

Unbelievable you want to debate this again ??

ICB, I'm gonna be honest with you about something here this is one of the most absurd and ridiculous parts of a post I have ever seen and I've seen some ridiculous ones.

Oh well thats your problem, i just have a different opinion and you have to insult me ?? Im English yes ?? so say if i was born in the USA or any other country. It would still make me English how hard is that too understand ?? and why do you keep bringing this up ??

"All I know is that there Mexican"
Juan Diaz was born in Texas that's in the United States of America that by law makes him American unless he nationalizes himself by another country.

Mexican/American whatever he is still Mexican is he not ?? i didn't think when i started this thread that people were going to be so picky on Mexican/American subject jesus

"I couldn't careless where they are born they are still Mexican"
Well you have to care where they are born cause your listing 'Mexican Fighters' in order for them to be on the list they need to have been born in Mexico. THEY WERE BORN IN THE U.S. and THEIR PARENTS WERE BORN IN MEXICO. I'm starting to think I must be typing in Japanese here or something.
Can somebody confirm or deny this for me?

No you don't because technically there still Mexican. Yes Diaz was born in USA and he is Mexican/American BUT THAT STILL MAKES HIM MEXICAN. It doesn't matter where there born there still Mexican thats a fact. Like i said earlier if i was born in another Country it would still make me English end of. I didn't think you would be so picky on American/Mexican subject and so insulting in fact im locking this topic because this is pointless. In future im not debating with you anymore.

ask any Mexican born Mexican if they consider us north of the border Mexican....well Mexican..

they call us pochos........not quite mexican.


By the way, RIcardo Lopez should be number one in anyone's list.

[Chino]

So does all this mean that Oscar De La Hoya is not anymore a Mexican boxer or American boxer?...he's now a Puerto Rican boxer then and he would be considered a Puerto Rican boxing legend, right?

I am American in a piece of paper but I AM MEXICAN no matter in what part of the planet I am standing or what language I am speaking. It would be a bit odd to see a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) go "Oh yeah, I am African (Mozambique, Ghana, etc. pick one)". No matter what he says HE IS STILL CHINESE.

Anyways, I would include De la Hoya in the list .

[CutMeMick]

So does all this mean that Oscar De La Hoya is not anymore a Mexican boxer or American boxer?...he's now a Puerto Rican boxer then and he would be considered a Puerto Rican boxing legend, right?

I am American in a piece of paper but I AM MEXICAN no matter in what part of the planet I am standing or what language I am speaking. It would be a bit odd to see a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) go "Oh yeah, I am African (Mozambique, Ghana, etc. pick one)". No matter what he says HE IS STILL CHINESE.

Anyways, I would include De la Hoya in the list .

See thing is that all I tried to do was point out that those fighters are not Mexican.

Chino.... Tszyu was born in Russia but hes a Nationalized Australian guess what?
Hes not a Russian great.
Hes an Australian great.

ODLH can't be a PR great because he was born in the US and his Nationality hasn't changed he is married to a PR and he now lives in PR but he has not changed his Nationality.

Guess why Margarito is Mexican eventho he was born in Torrance, CA?
Cause hes has a dual-citizenship. But he was sworn in to Mexico and lives in Mexico and he considers himself Mexican cause he has lived there since his childhood.

And again I was just pointing out that Guerrero was not Mexican.
I wasn't trying to get this whole debate about Nationalities and Who's who.
BUT when the comments were made about not caring where they were born and that it didn't matter that was wrong to say cause if your making a list of fighters from a country isn't only right to list fighters who are from that country?

Chino, if you consider yourself Mexican that's great but let me ask you this if Immigration comes to your house and knocks on your door and they ask you for your citizenship what will you answer?
Mexican?
American?
Something tells me you'll answer American.
It's that simple.

(For the record none of this is directed at ICB. I'm through with him)

[ICB]

So does all this mean that Oscar De La Hoya is not anymore a Mexican boxer or American boxer?...he's now a Puerto Rican boxer then and he would be considered a Puerto Rican boxing legend, right?

I am American in a piece of paper but I AM MEXICAN no matter in what part of the planet I am standing or what language I am speaking. It would be a bit odd to see a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) go "Oh yeah, I am African (Mozambique, Ghana, etc. pick one)". No matter what he says HE IS STILL CHINESE.

Anyways, I would include De la Hoya in the list .

good post.

[Chino]

Chino, if you consider yourself Mexican that's great but let me ask you this if Immigration comes to your house and knocks on your door and they ask you for your citizenship what will you answer?
Mexican?
American?
Something tells me you'll answer American.
It's that simple.

Exactly! When I cross the border or come back from travelling I answer that way. My "citizenship" is American but I AM MEXICAN no matter what. When filling most applications/forms you are asked to check a box for being Vietnamese, Filipino, Mexican, English, and so on for a reason. Like I said, don't you think it’s a bit odd to someday meet a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) and hear him go "I am African" just because he was naturalized or whatever? His passport might say Mozambique but he's Chinese no matter what regardless of him speaking or not speaking Mandarin or Cantonese or eating with or without chopsticks.

How about changing this topic to "Top 10 Fighters of the Mexican Race"?

IceCold,

[Mad_Dog]

well chino my brotha, before I call la migra on you
there is no such thing as the mexican race
we are a mixture of Euro blood, many indian sub groups from maya to nahua as well as African.

so wait out front for the green van ok.

just kidding
or like my tia says

yust keedin

[Mad_Dog]

chino let me guess you are in MEChA right?

don't deny it, I can smell a Mechista a mile away...

[ICB]

Chino, if you consider yourself Mexican that's great but let me ask you this if Immigration comes to your house and knocks on your door and they ask you for your citizenship what will you answer?
Mexican?
American?
Something tells me you'll answer American.
It's that simple.

Exactly! When I cross the border or come back from travelling I answer that way. My "citizenship" is American but I AM MEXICAN no matter what. When filling most applications/forms you are asked to check a box for being Vietnamese, Filipino, Mexican, English, and so on for a reason. Like I said, don't you think it’s a bit odd to someday meet a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) and hear him go "I am African" just because he was naturalized or whatever? His passport might say Mozambique but he's Chinese no matter what regardless of him speaking or not speaking Mandarin or Cantonese or eating with or without chopsticks.

How about changing this topic to "Top 10 Fighters of the Mexican Race"?

IceCold,

Another great post thats exactly what i was trying to say thanks for understanding CC in 24.

[Mad_Dog]

by the way yall know that I am the king of all Mexicans and I am about the make a rule that all of us paisas have to follow.

stay tuned

[Mad_Dog]

here is another great post, I hate it when mexicans say the word barrio as in vadio.

the word has a rolling r ok dumb facks.....

that is my new rule I best not catch yall saying vadio.

[Mad_Dog]

now that was a great post

cc for M_D

[CutMeMick]

Chino, if you consider yourself Mexican that's great but let me ask you this if Immigration comes to your house and knocks on your door and they ask you for your citizenship what will you answer?
Mexican?
American?
Something tells me you'll answer American.
It's that simple.

Exactly! When I cross the border or come back from travelling I answer that way. My "citizenship" is American but I AM MEXICAN no matter what. When filling most applications/forms you are asked to check a box for being Vietnamese, Filipino, Mexican, English, and so on for a reason. Like I said, don't you think it’s a bit odd to someday meet a Chinese guy (picture Jackie Chan) and hear him go "I am African" just because he was naturalized or whatever? His passport might say Mozambique but he's Chinese no matter what regardless of him speaking or not speaking Mandarin or Cantonese or eating with or without chopsticks.

How about changing this topic to "Top 10 Fighters of the Mexican Race"?

IceCold,

Chino, you live out here in LA right?
Apperance can be diseving..... I wasn't saying they didn't look Mexican I said they weren't Mexican.
The Chinese guy you speak of (Jackie Chan) would be Afican by law.
But in this case you are speaking of this Chinese guy who was born in China.
Neither Guerrero or Diaz were born in Mexico theres a difference.
The blood that flows through their vanes is from 2 Mexican parents BUT the simple fact that his mother gave birth to him in America makes him American. Society has labeled him as Mexican-American, Latino, Chicano or Hispanic. Those aren't races those are just labels given to us.
Again Chino the whole Chinese guy your talking about if he is born in one place but he is naturalized in another country he becomes from that country.
That's why he went thru that process.
This is the last thing I'll say to you Chino when you go to Mexico and your crossing the border and the border officer asks you where were you born?
And you answer ___________ (fill in City of the US you were born in) or you tell him "American Born" and he let's you thru.
Think about that....
Your American Chino but you consider yourself Mexican.
To be one thing and to consider yourself one thing are 2 different things. One is what you are and the other is what you feel you are.