Who's the lineal champ at 175?

[El Gamo]

I'm confused,maybe I have misread something but it says Zsolt Erdei.So how is B Hop the Lineal champion too?

[The Rookie Fan]

If I remember correctly, Vergil Hill became the lineal champ by beating Henry Maske. Darius beat him before Jones did. So, what that means is that one of the greatest Light Heavyweight fighters to have ever lived was never the Lineal Champion , Darius was. Gonzalez beat him, then Erdei beat Gonzalez.

[Taeth]

Roy JOnes and Virgill didn't even really fight at light heavyweight, both weighed over the limit. Anyways Roy won his belts against Montell Griffin, Lou Del Valle, and Reggie Johnson, Darius wouldn't come over to fight Roy so Roy was the lineal champ and he had the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.

[Taeth]

He latter became the undisputed linear LHW champ when he beat Gonzalez and had virtually every belt.

[El Gamo]

He latter became the undisputed linear LHW champ when he beat Gonzalez and had virtually every belt.

So who's the lineal champ now? I'm confused because wasn't Hopkins v Tarver for the lineal title? Yet I read in lots of places that Erdei is the lineal champ.

If I remember correctly, Vergil Hill became the lineal champ by beating Henry Maske. Darius beat him before Jones did. So, what that means is that one of the greatest Light Heavyweight fighters to have ever lived was never the Lineal Champion , Darius was. Gonzalez beat him, then Erdei beat Gonzalez.

Are you 100% certain? That does make sense I guess.

[The Rookie Fan]

Well he may well have been the Universally recognized and Undisputed 175lb champion, but there is only one way to becoming the lineal champion and that is by beating the current lineal champion. Unles the Lineal champion retired that is.

[The Rookie Fan]

He latter became the undisputed linear LHW champ when he beat Gonzalez and had virtually every belt.

So who's the lineal champ now? I'm confused because wasn't Hopkins v Tarver for the lineal title? Yet I read in lots of places that Erdei is the lineal champ.

It's Erdei.

If I remember correctly, Vergil Hill became the lineal champ by beating Henry Maske. Darius beat him before Jones did. So, what that means is that one of the greatest Light Heavyweight fighters to have ever lived was never the Lineal Champion , Darius was. Gonzalez beat him, then Erdei beat Gonzalez.

Are you 100% certain? That does make sense I guess.

Yes.

We might not agree with it but we also cannot make up our own rules when we don't agree with something. Dariusz was the Linear champion not Jones. Dariusz was also a unified champion (WBA, IBF and WBO I think) but was stripped of two titles because of bogus reasons that Jones later won.

Was Jones THE MAN at 175lb? No doubt.

Was he the Linear Champion? Nope.

[Taeth]

It doesn't matter if somebody beats the last guy, IMO linear champ has the three main belts or he is ring the magazine light heavyweight and at least two belts. Roy had every belt, and he beat everyone that was willing to fight him(don't give me that Dariusz wanted to fight him because Daruisz wouldn't come over to fight Roy).

[OumaFan]

I think Rookie Fan's right, "lineal" is just beating the guy who was lineal before that, doesn't have anything at all to do with the Ring magazine belt or being the recognized "man" of the division or anything like that as far as I know. I mean you track lineal back to when it was just one belt right?

Anyway its kind of a who gives a shit type thing, its for wackos like Britkid who are fascinated with who ruled the flyweight division in 1902.

I could be one hundred percent wrong about this. Not all that worried if I am.

[OumaFan]

yeah "lineal" is thought of as the "man who beat the man"

does go back to the original belt holder. not an exact science as sometimes it can go vacant and you could technically say the line ended there. So it can be about who's the recognized "man" of the division but only if had gone vacant. Baldo was actually linear at welter for a little bit which shows its not about who's thought of as the best. And Roy was never lineal even though he was recognized as the best.

here's one sites list of the "lineal" line at light heavyweight:

http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/lheavy.htm

here's another example, this time welter (not updated, went from Spinks to Judah to Baldo to Floyd):

http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/welter.htm

that was a bunch of bullshit, I just wasted like ten minutes of my life on this S***

[Mikkel_K]

yeah "lineal" is thought of as the "man who beat the man"

does go back to the original belt holder. not an exact science as sometimes it can go vacant and you could technically say the line ended there. So it can be about who's the recognized "man" of the division but only if had gone vacant. Baldo was actually linear at welter for a little bit which shows its not about who's thought of as the best. And Roy was never lineal even though he was recognized as the best.

here's one sites list of the "lineal" line at light heavyweight:

http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/lheavy.htm

The difference between that link and the Ring's belt is that Virgin Hill is here considered the linear champion after beating Henry Maske. The Ring, while acknowledging several champs between Foster and Spinks (unlike here), didnt have a champ until RJJ got the nod in 2001.

Whether or not Hill was a linear champ, I dont know. How do you appoint someome to that position? He didnt hold all the belts - RJJ held the WBC, Dariusz the WBO - but perhaps winning an unification was considered enough?

Anyway, if Hill/Dariusz was the first linear champ since Michael Spinks, then Erdei is the linear champ today. If RJJ was the first champ since Spinks, Hopkins is the MAN today. I may personally adhere to the last suggestion.

[BIG H]

Roy JOnes and Virgill didn't even really fight at light heavyweight, both weighed over the limit. Anyways Roy won his belts against Montell Griffin, Lou Del Valle, and Reggie Johnson, Darius wouldn't come over to fight Roy so Roy was the lineal champ and he had the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.

If Darius was Linear champ maybe Roy should've gone over to fight him

[The Rookie Fan]

The way I understand is this. If there is no linear champion (and the only way that can happend is if the current champion either retires e.g. Lewis or moves up in weight e.g. Trinidad from 147lb) than the first unified champion after that becomes the next linear champion. That is why there is currently no linear champion in the Heavyweight division. Because there has not been a title unification bout sinse Lewis retired.

Shannon Briggs never won a major title but he was still the Linear Heavyweight champion when he fought Lennox Lewis.

[Lance Uppercut]

linear keeps things easy. No striping. You have to beat the man who beat the man.

[CutMeMick]

Roy JOnes and Virgill didn't even really fight at light heavyweight, both weighed over the limit. Anyways Roy won his belts against Montell Griffin, Lou Del Valle, and Reggie Johnson, Darius wouldn't come over to fight Roy so Roy was the lineal champ and he had the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.

If Darius was Linear champ maybe Roy should've gone over to fight him

Bravo! Bravo!!