Is antonio margarito unerestimating zab?

[El Gamo]

My god...
It makes me laugh whenever I read posts about Zab today.....

Makes me wonder how much worst it was once Tyson was done and people would post that he wasnt.

Anyway... I said something a little over a year ago that Zab as a boxer would no longer exsist and TBH I don't think were too far from that becoming real. It makes me laugh cause if as a BOXING you can't see that Zabs done then that means your looking at him as a ZAB fan and not a BOXING fan.

The type of beating he took from Cotto is not something that can be shooken off just like that. Don't believe me ask those and do some research on those who have fallen before and see how quickly they recovered.....

Margarito will TKO him sooner then Cotto I can't see Zab taking too many Margarito shots. Cotto has good power BUT Margarito has heavier hands and when he hits you you'll feel it. Zab ducked Margarito for a while I'm glad Margarito is saying those things... Good for him, make Zab feel like a bitch and a has been. Cause that's what he is......

Very good posting,CC in 24 my friend. I really like the last paragraph.

If Judah can check Margarito's chin early like he did to Cotto he just may knock him out. Cotto stood up to some HUGE shots (that I think will hurt him in the long run). Margarito has NO defense and whereas Williams beat him with accumulation, Judah just may be able to do it with power and speed. If Margarito is still around in 5 then it's all downhill for Zab.

Riiiiight,so Williams landed 22% of his 1000 plus punches because Margarito has no defence?Margarito wasn't,I don't know,BLOCKING some of those punches? Or was he using lateral movement to avoid them?Jeeeez.

[CutMeMick]

Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting...........

[El Gamo]

Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting...........

EXACTLY. I thought PW won that fight too but as you said,the ringside observers had it for Tony based on the fact that he landed the harder punches. He was definitely making PW miss alot.

Man,Tony ate the right uppercut from Clottey,the one he walked into and he didn't even flinch. That was awesome. He took a the odd bomb from Cintron. I think the last time Tony was down was v Danny Perez in 99 in the first round.The last time he was hurt,I'd say was v Santos,in the frst round again but those are 2 big big dudes.The only 2 other times Tony has been down was when he was young,a teen and starting boxing.

[ICB]

Right on Gamo.
If you watch the fight closely and pay attention to Williams punches you'll notice Margarito catch a lot of Williams punches off his glove hence why writers, reporters and some people had the fight going different ways. Those who felt Williams punches weren't clean and effective saw the fight for Margarito. Those who at 1st glance saw the punches felt the punches landed and therefor Williams accumilated points.

I won't argue the decision as I thought he won but to say Zab will stop Margarito is stretching it and heres why.
Can anyone here tell me when they have ever seen Margarito on the canvas?
Or better yet hurt from a punch?
Go ahead run a google search or go to BoxRec I'll be here waiting...........

EXACTLY. I thought PW won that fight too but as you said,the ringside observers had it for Tony based on the fact that he landed the harder punches. He was definitely making PW miss alot.

Man,Tony ate the right uppercut from Clottey,the one he walked into and he didn't even flinch. That was awesome. He took a the odd bomb from Cintron. I think the last time Tony was down was v Danny Perez in 99 in the first round.The last time he was hurt,I'd say was v Santos,in the frst round again but those are 2 big big dudes.The only 2 other times Tony has been down was when he was young,a teen and starting boxing.

Sorry but i find it hard to believe that anyone would score the fight for Margarito without seriously biased scoring. Williams won the first 5 rounds comfortably Margarito did comeback strong in middle rounds, and it was quite close going into 12th but Williams erased any doubt by winning the 12th round clearly. Tony did land the harder shots but he was seriously out punched in the early going and i can't see anyone giving Tony any of the early rounds with biased scoring. And i wouldn't take too much notice of these so called *Ring Side Reporters* or etc. Because one of them had Leonard winning 117-111, and another had Haglerwinning 117-112, and there were all kinds of wacky scorecards. I just had a quick look at one ringside reporters scorecards and he had it 116-112 for Margarito ?? are you kidding me ?? thats some of the worst biased scoring i've ever seen, i find it hard to believe anyone would give Margarito a draw let alone having him winning the fight.

[El Gamo]

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

[ICB]

If Judah can check Margarito's chin early like he did to Cotto he just may knock him out. Cotto stood up to some HUGE shots (that I think will hurt him in the long run). Margarito has NO defense and whereas Williams beat him with accumulation, Judah just may be able to do it with power and speed. If Margarito is still around in 5 then it's all downhill for Zab.

I don't think so Margarito has been in there with Cintron who hits harder than Judah, and he tested Margarito's chin early and Margarito wasn't even effected one bit. Margarito's defense isn't the best but i still think his defense is slightly underrated. He did block a lot of Williams punches like other people have said, the only problem i have with Margarito is that his punches are too wide. If he learnt better punching technique shortening his punches he would be so much better.

[ICB]

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

[El Gamo]

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

Read my post properly and then respond,as I've already given answers to your questions. I'm not excusing their scorecards but certainly a large majority of ringside scorers had the fight for Tony.They saw the impact of his blows and the bodywork,I still disagree with them though.

[ICB]

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ?? i thought basically everyone had Williams winning the first 5 rounds at least and lets just say for arguments sake that Williams won first 4 rounds instead of 5 yes ?? then still how can he come up with that scoring ?? when Williams for certain won 12th round that would still mean Williams won 5 rounds, its virtually impossible not to have Williams winning more than 4 rounds without biased scoring. I thought the fight was pretty close going into 12th but like i said earlier Williams won the 12th round erasing any doubt in most peoples eyes including mine.

And you say this writer has been writing longer than i've been born which is probably true. But his knowledge for his age certainly isn't showing with a ridiculous scorecard like that.

Read my post properly and then respond,as I've already given answers to your questions. I'm not excusing their scorecards but certainly a large majority of ringside scorers had the fight for Tony.They saw the impact of his blows and the bodywork,I still disagree with them though.

I did read your post properly and i responded to everything you said in your post. You just said yourself you disagree with the scores so do i so does everyone on this forum so its bit irrelevant isn't it ?? they always have wacky scorecards for every fight i already gave you examples of the Hagler vs Leonard fight.

[El Gamo]

Your questions:

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ??

My answers:

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

I hope this helps.

[ICB]

Your questions:

So your telling me 116-112 is not a biased scorecard ?? your telling me my argument is not logical argument then tell me where is the logic behind his scoring ?? 8 rounds to 4 for Margarito ??

My answers:

Well as Mick and I said,we both had the fight for Tony but you can see what they are saying. Williams threw more,Margarito's punches were harder and cleaner.I don't really see why they would be biased. Kevin Iole,who had Tony winning,is a respected journalist who has probably been writing longer than you've been born and is a Margarito critic,yet he had Tony winning. I'm not saying it was correct but I wouldn't say it was "biased". What reason would he have to be biased?That's not a logical argument.

I hope this helps.

My answer back is that nearly everyone who watched the fight gave Williams the 1st 5 rounds. Its virtually impossible to have Williams not winning more than 4 rounds hence he was either biased or he didn't watch the fight properly, because not 1 single person on this forum had that scorecard or anywhere near it. I also told you that these so called *Respected Journalists* have had wacky scorecards in the past and i gave you the examples earlier. I couldn't really careless what scorecard he had because you and i and everyone on this forum knows Margarito no way on this earth won 8 rounds to 4. You also said you don't agree with it so i don't really understand the point your trying to make ??

[ElTerribleMorales]

don't know what the whole big argument is about, there is not Margarito/Judah fight, just read right now on ESPN.COM that he's scheduled to rematch Kermit Cintron on April 12th, on the Cotto/Gomez undercard

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3215318

[toogood4u]

so after 41 comments on this topic, this entire topic was a waste of time because of money.....booooo

I know judah was making money, but wow he has enough to promote himself and start up a new promotional company.

how much did he make lastyr?