- The Greatest 'Latin American' boxer - (Not Mexican or P.R.)

[Spicoli]

Rodrigo Valdez -Columbia. Pasqual Perez - Argentina.

Also gotta mentio the only 2 top Heavies to mix it up with the top dawgs...

Nino Valdez - Cuba & Oscar Bonavena - Argentina.

No doubt Mick.Valdez was a monster.Nice topic and a chance to speak on some guys who sometimes get passed over.
I want to add Miguel "Happy" Lora at Bantam,Not a great but very respectable.Out of Columbia.I had first had the pleasure to see him against the superb Raul Perez Before a hiatus and then watched him make a comeback on USA Fights vs Gaby Canizales (WAR).
You know the kind of Fighter you see at the end of Career and then Play catch up on and feel you missed out on??He was one of those for me.Beat some top notch guys,W.Vasquez,A Davila,Minus,Zaragoza.Pretty smooth tactician.

[smashcrusher]

We often talk and list the 10 greatest Mexican fighters and Puerto Rican fighters as they tend to have the larger pool of fighters.

I put together a list of the top 10 Greatest Latin Fighters (NOT Mexican or P.R)
As usual keep in mind that I will not list fighters whom I have not seen and or feel I don't know enough of so you wont see Panama Al Brown on here among others...

1. Roberto Duran - Panama
2. Alexis Arguello - Nicaragua
3. Carlos Monzon - Argentina
4. Jose A. Napoles - Cuba
5. Kid Gavilan - Cuba
6. Kid Chocolate - Cuba
7. Eder Jofre - Brazil
8. Antonio Cervantes - Colombia
9. Nicolino Locche - Argentina
10. Ismael Laguna - Panama

Honors: Sugar Ramos - Cuba, Eusebio Pedroza - Panama, Santos Laciar - Argentina, Hilario Zapata - Panama, Betulio Gonzalez - Venezuela, Carlos Hernandez - Venezuela.


Quite possible the hardest list I've ever had to put together gave it a lot of thought and after changing it about 15 times I stopped with this one.

Thoughts opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks fellas...

Pretty good list. I might switch Monzon and Arguello but just about agree with everything else. Plus, even if you added Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters I'd still have Duran #1.

I switched Arguello & Monzon back and forth about 4 times. Same thing with Napoles & Gavilan.
Thanks for your input.
Would also like to ask why you feel Monzon should be #2.

Pretty much I guess for the same reason I'd have Duran at #1, being that he was completely dominant at middleweight, as Duran was also (probably moreso dominant) at lightweight.

[CutMeMick]

We often talk and list the 10 greatest Mexican fighters and Puerto Rican fighters as they tend to have the larger pool of fighters.

I put together a list of the top 10 Greatest Latin Fighters (NOT Mexican or P.R)
As usual keep in mind that I will not list fighters whom I have not seen and or feel I don't know enough of so you wont see Panama Al Brown on here among others...

1. Roberto Duran - Panama
2. Alexis Arguello - Nicaragua
3. Carlos Monzon - Argentina
4. Jose A. Napoles - Cuba
5. Kid Gavilan - Cuba
6. Kid Chocolate - Cuba
7. Eder Jofre - Brazil
8. Antonio Cervantes - Colombia
9. Nicolino Locche - Argentina
10. Ismael Laguna - Panama

Honors: Sugar Ramos - Cuba, Eusebio Pedroza - Panama, Santos Laciar - Argentina, Hilario Zapata - Panama, Betulio Gonzalez - Venezuela, Carlos Hernandez - Venezuela.


Quite possible the hardest list I've ever had to put together gave it a lot of thought and after changing it about 15 times I stopped with this one.

Thoughts opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks fellas...

Pretty good list. I might switch Monzon and Arguello but just about agree with everything else. Plus, even if you added Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters I'd still have Duran #1.

I switched Arguello & Monzon back and forth about 4 times. Same thing with Napoles & Gavilan.
Thanks for your input.
Would also like to ask why you feel Monzon should be #2.

Pretty much I guess for the same reason I'd have Duran at #1, being that he was completely dominant at middleweight, as Duran was also (probably moreso dominant) at lightweight.

Most definitely something to go by.
I can def. see either guy being at the top of the list...

[Mikkel_K]

Good topic CutMeMick!

C-Tier fighters

Mayorga- Nica
Baldomir- Argentina
Miranda (Better than C- Tier) Venzuela
Frietas (Yes Brazilians are Latino's also)
Castillo- Spain
Casamoyer- Cuba

Good choices also - although I am surprised while Miranda garners that added comment, instead of, say, Casamayor? Do you really think Miranda will go down as the better fighter p4p?

Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) also merits an honorable mention imo. At least for his results at cruiserweight - the jury is still out on his HW future...

A few guys with the potential to make it onto the list:

- Jorge Linares (Venezueala) - definitely.
- Yuriorkis Gamboa (Cuba) - probably.
- Edwin Valero (Venezuela) - perhaps.
- Odlanier Solis (Cuba) - perhaps.
- Yoan Pablo Hernandez (Cuba) - perhaps.

[El Gamo]

Awesome thread Mick. These rare threads you,the Jap fighters,Africans and now this one,are awesome! And for once,I knew who those top 10 were! Loving the latin fighters!Great work,keep it up.Cool Click.

[ICB]

Heavyweight

Oscar Bonavena
Luis Firpo
Gregorio Manuel Peralta


Cruiserweight


Light Heavyweight

Victor Emilio Galindez


Super Middleweigt


Middleweight

Carlos Monzon
Jorge Fernando Castro
Florentino Fernández

Light Middleweight

Miguel de Oliveira


Welterweight

Kid Gavilan
Jose Angel Napoles
Jorge Vaca
Benny Paret
Luis Manuel Rodriguez

Jr Welterweight

Antonio Cevantes
Nicolino Locche
Juan Martin Coggi
Angel Robinson Garcia

Lightweight

Roberto Duran
Ismael Laguna
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Freitas

Super Featherweight

Alexis Arguello
Carlos Hernandez

Featherweight

Kid Chocolate
Eusebio Pedroza
Sugar Ramos

Super Bantamweight


Bantamweight

Panama Al Brown
Eder Jofre
Miguel Lora

Super Flyweight


Flyweight

Pascual Perez

Light Flyweight


Minimumweight

Rosendo Alvarez


I'll update this list when i think of more.

[Tito BHB]

To Taeth and others:

I didn't create this thread to debate who's what.
History is just that history it's in the past.

Today Castillejo is considered European and not Latin.

Wow.. reallyy

Learn somethingg new all the time..

Damnn.. This sounds stupid like..

But i figuredd spain was the freakkin motherlandd (Of Sortss) HA

Lol.. Moving on..

[The Rookie Fan]

So why is Cuba in and Puerto Rico left out..

Oh and Mick it would be a lot easier if you would say 'Latinamerican' boxers.

Don't mind the first line I was just being grumpy..

[X]

How about some of the great talents that Cuba hs produced but who never went pro.

Cuba's 'machine' for finding, and nurturuing talent has probably never been matched .... and someone like Teoflio Stevenson is a great heavyweight ... period ..... it does not make him worse just because he never went pro I would have thought?

[ICB]

How about some of the great talents that Cuba hs produced but who never went pro.

Cuba's 'machine' for finding, and nurturuing talent has probably never been matched .... and someone like Teoflio Stevenson is a great heavyweight ... period ..... it does not make him worse just because he never went pro I would have thought?

Oh theres been many X.

Felix Savon
Teófilo Stevenson
Jose Gomez
Juan Hernandez Sierra
Mario Kindela
Jorge Hernandez
Angel Herrera Vera
Guillermo Rigondeaux Ortiz
Juan Carlos Lemus
Hector Vinent

I could be here all day.

[The Rookie Fan]

How about some of the great talents that Cuba hs produced but who never went pro.

Cuba's 'machine' for finding, and nurturuing talent has probably never been matched .... and someone like Teoflio Stevenson is a great heavyweight ... period ..... it does not make him worse just because he never went pro I would have thought?

Oh theres been many X.

Felix Savon
Teófilo Stevenson
Jose Gomez
Juan Hernandez Sierra
Mario Kindela
Jorge Hernandez
Angel Herrera Vera
Guillermo Rigondeaux Ortiz
Juan Carlos Lemus
Hector Vinent

I could be here all day.

Damn ICE are you shure you are only 18. Sometimes I think you are that old guy with the cigar and the sombrero...can't remember his name yet. You shure know your boxing.. Maybe you should get a job as a boxing writer if you don't already have one.

[X]

Bert Sugar?

[Taeth]

To Taeth and others:

I didn't create this thread to debate who's what.
History is just that history it's in the past.

Today Castillejo is considered European and not Latin.

Its just I don't understand why you would classify Cuba, who's entire indeginous population was wiped out and is made up of african slaves brought over would be classified as latin more than people from Mexico or even moreso the people from Peurto Rico.

[CutMeMick]

Rodrigo Valdez -Columbia. Pasqual Perez - Argentina.

Also gotta mentio the only 2 top Heavies to mix it up with the top dawgs...

Nino Valdez - Cuba & Oscar Bonavena - Argentina.

No doubt Mick.Valdez was a monster.Nice topic and a chance to speak on some guys who sometimes get passed over.
I want to add Miguel "Happy" Lora at Bantam,Not a great but very respectable.Out of Columbia.I had first had the pleasure to see him against the superb Raul Perez Before a hiatus and then watched him make a comeback on USA Fights vs Gaby Canizales (WAR).
You know the kind of Fighter you see at the end of Career and then Play catch up on and feel you missed out on??He was one of those for me.Beat some top notch guys,W.Vasquez,A Davila,Minus,Zaragoza.Pretty smooth tactician.

Miguel Lora theres a name you don't hear often....
What a tough little fighter he was always gave it his all. 'Jibaro' Perez yet another name you don't hear often. I've had the pleasure of meeting him and talked to him about his career.
Spicoli you always bring up these names that don't get mentioned often names that I'm very familiar with...

[CutMeMick]

Good topic CutMeMick!

C-Tier fighters

Mayorga- Nica
Baldomir- Argentina
Miranda (Better than C- Tier) Venzuela
Frietas (Yes Brazilians are Latino's also)
Castillo- Spain
Casamoyer- Cuba

Good choices also - although I am surprised while Miranda garners that added comment, instead of, say, Casamayor? Do you really think Miranda will go down as the better fighter p4p?

Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) also merits an honorable mention imo. At least for his results at cruiserweight - the jury is still out on his HW future...

A few guys with the potential to make it onto the list:

- Jorge Linares (Venezueala) - definitely.
- Yuriorkis Gamboa (Cuba) - probably.
- Edwin Valero (Venezuela) - perhaps.
- Odlanier Solis (Cuba) - perhaps.
- Yoan Pablo Hernandez (Cuba) - perhaps.

CC#74 on me Mikkel....

Awesome thread Mick. These rare threads you,the Jap fighters,Africans and now this one,are awesome! And for once,I knew who those top 10 were! Loving the latin fighters!Great work,keep it up.Cool Click.

Thanks Gamo, CC has been returned...

So why is Cuba in and Puerto Rico left out..

Oh and Mick it would be a lot easier if you would say 'Latinamerican' boxers.

Don't mind the first line I was just being grumpy..

I'll repeat it again.
I left out Mexico & PR because for the most part lists of they're greats are always made.
How often on here do you see a list of Mexican greats or PR greats? Very often....
So I thought it would be a little different to list great Latin American boxers not including Mexico & PR because those list of fighters are done so often....

How about some of the great talents that Cuba hs produced but who never went pro.

Cuba's 'machine' for finding, and nurturuing talent has probably never been matched .... and someone like Teoflio Stevenson is a great heavyweight ... period ..... it does not make him worse just because he never went pro I would have thought?

I see your point 'X' but how can you measure what a profesional fighter did vs. what an amateur did?
I don't think you can. You would have to measure them with different guidelines...
What I could do is modify my post and make a section for fighters who as you mentioned didn't turn pro but are considered great. Again, I can't see myslef listing a fighter who never went pro above or in a same list as let's say Napoles who's argueably Cubas greatest...

To Taeth and others:

I didn't create this thread to debate who's what.
History is just that history it's in the past.

Today Castillejo is considered European and not Latin.

Its just I don't understand why you would classify Cuba, who's entire indeginous population was wiped out and is made up of african slaves brought over would be classified as latin more than people from Mexico or even moreso the people from Peurto Rico.

I'll repeat it again.
I left out Mexico & PR because for the most part lists of they're greats are always made.
How often on here do you see a list of Mexican greats or PR greats? Very often....
So I thought it would be a little different to list great Latin American boxers not including Mexico & PR because those list of fighters are done so often....