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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post

    First off, luvfightgame, I'm not trying to contradict you, or any of you here. But I'll be borrowing your point to prove my point.

    As I've said, I have no problem with evolution. I think God can work through either creation or evolution. That's not impossible for me because I don't interpret the Bible literally. I think if there was an evolution, I think it was a guided evolution, guided somewhere from above, not the haphazard trial and error method as espoused by scientists, or else, I think it would have been an ugly evolution, not the perfectly symmetrical type we see in reality. That's the only way how some questions like how both sexes evolved simultaneously and why we were given eyebrows, which beautifully protect our eyes from our own sweat but which has nothing to do with our 'ability to multiply', which is the sole goal of the pure evolution theorists.

    You know, folks, you may not believe this but there is this channel through which all these powers flow, call it whatever you wish, universal energy, universal mind or God Himself. This is the channel through which lifeforms on earth are guided, this is also the channel where all religious pray thru, and this is the channel through which we receive our knowledge... ...and this is also the channel where I get my ideas. Nuts, heh? Ask Andre.
    I can only add one thing to that: Physical orientated thoughts are the only thing that gets in the way or blocks the energy or the information that comes down that pranic tube you are talking about; also blocks whats recorded in your dna.

    The more you only think one way the less you can except from all the ways.

    Its like asking God who are you? show yourself to me now,why am I here?why do you allow all this? Why me? why this pain? whats right ?whats wrong?all the while you are only really trying to justify your own view point or where you chose to stand ,still telling your own storyline.

    You cant hear when your still talking/you cant meditate while still thinking.
    How can you expect to hear Universal answers when your still busy with your own story?
    "Silence is golden" for many reasons.

    There is truth in : "better somethings end than in their begining."

    Ask with an empty cup ,not a full one or even a half full one.

    Grasshopper

    Space/matter

    Its the space within ,the window openings and the door openings that make a building useful.

    Therefore profit comes from what is there,usefulness from what is not there.

    See both sides except both sides.
    Xactly! I've meditated for nearly 30 years and over the years I've learned to detach myself from my thoughts and now when I meditate, I'm almost completely thoughtless and I just see a bright light surrounding me with subtle sound ringing in my mind and feeling exhilirated in a calm sort of way. I am connecting myself directly to the universal channel and seem to be quitely downloading all the informations I need because after that, I usually have all the information I need.

    Did you guys know that human mind, which works primarily through system of association, are only capable of calculating but they are not capable of thinking out an idea? Strange as it may seem but it's true. Did you notice all the great discoveries came in 'end' form as a theory first before they were later proven through calculations. It's always the idea first and then the proving. They get all the necessary ideas when they are connected to the channel - the secrets are all 'in the air,' so to speak. Have anyone here came up with an idea by thinking out hard? no, right? Idea comes when you're not really trying to think hard but when you're relaxed or engaged in relaxing activities and when your mind is free to contemplate or muse in a sort of daydreaming manner. That's when your mind opens up and is connecting to the channel, just as we meditators connect to the channel while we are thoroughly relaxed. All great discoveries have been made this way, like how Newton's gravitational theory came out 'whilst he was pensively meandering in a garden it came into his thought that the power of gravity...' Only after he came up with the idea (from where?) did the calculations follow. If you have any doubt, remember the '99% perspiration and 1% inspiration thing coming from the inventor-scientist par excellence himself, Thomas Edision. Consider the meaning of inspire:

    Inspire: 1. to affect, guide, or arouse by divine influence.
    - free dictionary.

    'nuff said...


    * * * * * * *


    I have another important thing to share with you guys. I discovered that happiness is what is ultimately natural to us humans, particularly in our end form, the final form where we will be eventually led to. All the pains and difficulty we humans undergo in this world is just a part of a process to make us ready for our ultimate form - the way to happiness. I don't know why it was made this way but this is the way and maybe there is God after all and maybe He made it that way. I can only guess, though I personally believe so. It may seem strange to us, who grew up in this troubled world that our ultimate destination was meant to be a destination of happiness. I can't prove it here and you just got to take my word for it. But as soon as I have enough time, I'll put out all the secrets - the foremost are the 3 major secrets I've discovered while connecting to the channel - somewhere, perhaps in my own website or a dedicated blog. If and when I do that, I'll make sure I'll let you guys know about it, especially Andre who seems to be the only one here seriously on to these things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post

    First off, luvfightgame, I'm not trying to contradict you, or any of you here. But I'll be borrowing your point to prove my point.

    As I've said, I have no problem with evolution. I think God can work through either creation or evolution. That's not impossible for me because I don't interpret the Bible literally. I think if there was an evolution, I think it was a guided evolution, guided somewhere from above, not the haphazard trial and error method as espoused by scientists, or else, I think it would have been an ugly evolution, not the perfectly symmetrical type we see in reality. That's the only way how some questions like how both sexes evolved simultaneously and why we were given eyebrows, which beautifully protect our eyes from our own sweat but which has nothing to do with our 'ability to multiply', which is the sole goal of the pure evolution theorists.

    You know, folks, you may not believe this but there is this channel through which all these powers flow, call it whatever you wish, universal energy, universal mind or God Himself. This is the channel through which lifeforms on earth are guided, this is also the channel where all religious pray thru, and this is the channel through which we receive our knowledge... ...and this is also the channel where I get my ideas. Nuts, heh? Ask Andre.
    I can only add one thing to that: Physical orientated thoughts are the only thing that gets in the way or blocks the energy or the information that comes down that pranic tube you are talking about; also blocks whats recorded in your dna.

    The more you only think one way the less you can except from all the ways.

    Its like asking God who are you? show yourself to me now,why am I here?why do you allow all this? Why me? why this pain? whats right ?whats wrong?all the while you are only really trying to justify your own view point or where you chose to stand ,still telling your own storyline.

    You cant hear when your still talking/you cant meditate while still thinking.
    How can you expect to hear Universal answers when your still busy with your own story?
    "Silence is golden" for many reasons.

    There is truth in : "better somethings end than in their begining."

    Ask with an empty cup ,not a full one or even a half full one.

    Grasshopper

    Space/matter

    Its the space within ,the window openings and the door openings that make a building useful.

    Therefore profit comes from what is there,usefulness from what is not there.

    See both sides except both sides.
    Xactly! I've meditated for nearly 30 years and over the years I've learned to detach myself from my thoughts and now when I meditate, I'm almost completely thoughtless and I just see a bright light surrounding me with subtle sound ringing in my mind and feeling exhilirated in a calm sort of way. I am connecting myself directly to the universal channel and seem to be quitely downloading all the informations I need because after that, I usually have all the information I need.

    Did you guys know that human mind, which works primarily through system of association, are only capable of calculating but they are not capable of thinking out an idea? Strange as it may seem but it's true. Did you notice all the great discoveries came in 'end' form as a theory first before they were later proven through calculations. It's always the idea first and then the proving. They get all the necessary ideas when they are connected to the channel - the secrets are all 'in the air,' so to speak. Have anyone here came up with an idea by thinking out hard? no, right? Idea comes when you're not really trying to think hard but when you're relaxed or engaged in relaxing activities and when your mind is free to contemplate or muse in a sort of daydreaming manner. That's when your mind opens up and is connecting to the channel, just as we meditators connect to the channel while we are thoroughly relaxed. All great discoveries have been made this way, like how Newton's gravitational theory came out 'whilst he was pensively meandering in a garden it came into his thought that the power of gravity...' Only after he came up with the idea (from where?) did the calculations follow. If you have any doubt, remember the '99% perspiration and 1% inspiration thing coming from the inventor-scientist par excellence himself, Thomas Edision. Consider the meaning of inspire:

    Inspire: 1. to affect, guide, or arouse by divine influence.
    - free dictionary.

    'nuff said...


    * * * * * * *


    I have another important thing to share with you guys. I discovered that happiness is what is ultimately natural to us humans, particularly in our end form, the final form where we will be eventually led to. All the pains and difficulty we humans undergo in this world is just a part of a process to make us ready for our ultimate form - the way to happiness. I don't know why it was made this way but this is the way and maybe there is God after all and maybe He made it that way. I can only guess, though I personally believe so. It may seem strange to us, who grew up in this troubled world that our ultimate destination was meant to be a destination of happiness. I can't prove it here and you just got to take my word for it. But as soon as I have enough time, I'll put out all the secrets - the foremost are the 3 major secrets I've discovered while connecting to the channel - somewhere, perhaps in my own website or a dedicated blog. If and when I do that, I'll make sure I'll let you guys know about it, especially Andre who seems to be the only one here seriously on to these things...
    Seems like you know nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    So out of nothing came everything we know of, and that is completely explained by science


    Yeah and now who has the FAITH issue?
    Anybody who still has faith in fairy tales in the face of endless evidence to the contrary.

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    All I am saying is there is a higher power than what humans know....but that's just my view

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Seems like you know nothing

    But don't worry.. gullible wannabes that believe they're special will buy anything.

    Have you ever thought about a newsletter? Couple of pounds/dollars per month (sell it as the equivalent of buying a pint of beer ) will go down a storm. Fact.
    Thanks for your thought, Fenster. Nobody can convince someone who has pretty much made up his mind that this world is the end. I know why people like you feel that way but, good for you, I'm not in business of exposing people so I won't go into that. I've graduated from those petty human affairs long time ago. Let me try to convince people who have open mind - I have little hope for you Fenster since you read all I've written - that happiness is what we were meant for. Let me give you a hint, just a hint.

    When you're ecstatically happy, did you notice that the whole world was with you, that you had the whole world in your hand, and away from your little self? On the contrary, look at people with big problems, those miserable folks (no offense). Did you notice that they were always into their little world, unconcerned about the world, unto their little mind? That's what I mean. Your little self is a world of misery, pain and frustration. But when you tune yourself to the world, to the universe, thru the channel, you experience happiness. That's where we will eventually be when our little self dies, that's probably how God made us to be. You probably have heard testimonies of those who had near-death experience. Didn't they talk of undescribable joy?

    So Fenster, get yourself out of that grumpy little self and start facing the world - the world of happiness. Open yourself up to the world. If you do that, then me and you can have a drink and have a nice friendly chat. Luv ya, and I mean it.
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    My personal belifes are that time isnt lineal its circular.This is from observation of all of the molecules atoms etc of the Universe and the cycles here on Earth ,seasonal and the cycles or spirals within us,including evolutionary dna, nothing else.

    The sun is the channel that all life forms as we know it have come through; (for the single minded amongst us " Not the one creating portion, but the link it has come THROUGH ").
    Every bit of warmth you feel even the internal warmth you imit personally is from that original source. Love and light.
    I can heal anything using mind, when minds come together as one ;as can all others if they intend it.
    Feeling emotionally that something will happen is what makes it happen,both good and bad (if you choose to see difference that way.)

    Strange fact: People quite often invent the same thing at the same time on differenet sides of the planet. My uncle invented a machine for swimming that some else did in the States at exactly the same time in the sixties.Happens all the time ,we are linked not only by what we require but what provides it as well.
    Victums attract aggression and visa versa,those frequencies match exactly. Fear and anger are like mulch to each other.
    Molecules change shapes to thoughts sent by emotions.

    We are one; One who chose to form many, to go out on our seperate ways by our own original choice and many still choose to continue on that journey where as some have turned around to look back.
    The ones that look opposite ways are still one; but only one of those groups can see both sides.
    The ones that think or feel that they are eternally seperate from all others can continue to; but it isnt a lineal path its curved too,so they will come around or they will waver towards a false goal and find nothing.
    People search for true love outside of themselves and find lust.
    People who are scared of real love or the light,when it does shine on them either attack it or turn from it and head further back into their personal darker cave .
    Some prefer the comfort of their physical stationary position and will fight for it. Whe they attack others over it they are attacking themselves and the hatred increases and they self diminish.
    Others prefer to move.
    Some unfortunatley choose to move in reverse against natural order and this has major consequencies that they are numb to for a while.
    We are spirit and mind first and formeost. Physical things are always lost and cant be held onto.
    If you gather the correct things that side with who you really are and hold them close to you ,you cannot lose anything.
    IF you gather whats not of your original form and claim it as your own and try to hold onto what cant be held onto;at physical death you will feel that you have lost everything.
    Give up the physcial fight for what you cant keep and another eye will gradually open to what is behind what you can 'only think' is real.
    It is not unnatural to begin to want less.Total freedom is not a game or a mind set. Give yourself the space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Strange fact: People quite often invent the same thing at the same time on differenet sides of the planet. My uncle invented a machine for swimming that some else did in the States at exactly the same time in the sixties.Happens all the time ,we are linked not only by what we require but what provides it as well.
    Hell you can look at religion in Israel, India, Africa, South America, and even the Native American religion and they developed similarly, very similar stories almost to the WORD...same subjects, same moral, same everything. All without real connections between the cultures as transportation was extremely limited when those stories were written. And you're telling me there's no divine intervention there


    As for your "victims attract aggression" I find that everyone has energy and people either feed off of or get drained by other people's energy. Talk to a person with a shitty attitude and it just emotionally takes it right out of you and then talk with a person who is happy all the time and it makes you feel better. Read The Celestine Prophecy

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    Same paintings in caves of half men half fish emerging from the sea in Africa and in Peru.
    Same emblem on some known pryamids on opposite sides of world, another deep in Tibet under tonnes of ice that will arise again soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

    I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

    This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.
    Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

    http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

    part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

    '...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

    This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

    This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

    I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

    This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.
    Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

    http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

    part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

    '...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

    This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

    This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.
    If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
    You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

    "I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
    That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

    It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

    Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    I have no problem with the theory of evolution but the question is 'if' there indeed were evolution, what force lead those very simple elements to transform into very complex beings called humans.

    I think I can sit in front of a big pond with all necessary elements inside and watch it for billion years and still nothing would have happened unless there is some force that will lead them to evolve. This is common sense, there must be some force involved and it must be some guided force, or else it would clearly have been a haphazard sort of evolution, a messy one instead of perfectly symmetrical ones.

    This is what I call a life force. Now where this life force is coming from is what we are debating here, right? I think there must be this sort of a central nerve center where these forces come from and where they are guided from. So what or Who can it be. Some deny its existence, some call it a universal mind, while the rest says it's God. The problem with us humans is that we tend to mold God's image with how our very limited mind can imagine. If there was God, He will naturally be someone so complex that he would be way beyond our imagination and comprehension. I guess that's why our mind still can't grasp Him, or else there will be none of this debate, right? Think about it, folks. The problem with some of our science guys is that they tend to think only from a fixed point of view; you got to 'think out of the box' sometimes, so to speak, to see the whole truth. Keep your minds open folks, keep 'em open.
    Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

    http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

    part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

    '...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

    This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

    This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.
    If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
    You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

    "I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
    That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

    It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

    Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.
    Very interesting about different languages. I wish I had the time and the luxury to study them. I think the Revelations chapter would be an excellent one to study deeply because it is wrought with full of sybolism and I believe it is about the future. If anyone can interpret that correctly, I think we will know what's ahead.

    This is an excellent thread, Andre; just wish I had more time. I'd be talking about your post yesterday, there at few blocks back, about cycles, waves etc., when I have time. I believe our world which is nothing more than an energy mass moves as a wave. Waves moves in cycles and that explains why certain things repeat themselves and why they come together. So there is no coincidence in this world, it's just a cycle.
    Once in awhile, get outside in fresh air, take a deep breath & with a deep sigh, let out all the things that's bottled up inside you & be free, & you'll get a glimpse of nirvana.

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    Talking of coincidence, about a week I wrote the above post, the local newspaper Manila Bulletin came with this daily devotional guide:

    http://www.mb.com.ph/archive_pages.p...430123218.html

    part of which quoted Genesis 1:2,

    '...the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, bringing order out of chaos.'

    This is exactly what I was trying to say there on that underlined section of that post. I wrote that without knowing anything about that Bible verse. Actually I've never been that religious and never read the Bible, the book itself I mean. All my religious activity is limited to reading religious article almost exclusively from that newspaper which I subscribe to. The daily guide only features the New Testament parts but the description sections sometimes quote from other parts of the Bible as shown in the link.

    This is a good example of what I've been saying, that Bible shouldn't be taken literally. The description 'bringing order out of chaos' IMO means that nature as we see it now wouldn't have formed or evolved in such an intricately precise manner by just leaving it to nature or by some haphazard trial-and-error method as the evolutionalist would want us to believe, but instead must have formed by some guided force I talked about on the above post.
    If you read the bible From Aramaic straight into English (the preceeding launguage to Hebrew or Greek) it makes alot more sence with its deeper meanings.
    You have to know the immediate areas intimate history too if you are to try and take things literally.

    "I shall come as a thief in the night" literally from the times means I shall be banging and crashing cymbols and swords with torches held high in the sky and you will hear me comming for a long time before my arrival.
    That is how thieves used to come in the night through the desert in those times.

    It has come through from Aramaic to Hebrew, Greek,latin,German into English. If you think 4 languages of translation cant change some things.... then Lyle has a massive Southern Bridge he wants to sell you.

    Much of the original information on creation of Earth and its many different forms of humans and time structures was written in Summarian picture form and hiroglyphs prior to any sscript writing too.
    Very interesting about different languages. I wish I had the time and the luxury to study them. I think the Revelations chapter would be an excellent one to study deeply because it is wrought with full of sybolism and I believe it is about the future. If anyone can interpret that correctly, I think we will know what's ahead.

    This is an excellent thread, Andre; just wish I had more time. I'd be talking about your post yesterday, there at few blocks back, about cycles, waves etc., when I have time. I believe our world which is nothing more than an energy mass moves as a wave. Waves moves in cycles and that explains why certain things repeat themselves and why they come together. So there is no coincidence in this world, it's just a cycle.
    I think the cycle is about to reverse and we are about head back and shake off all what we have humanly built this up to be. The universe is in a situation soon that will have us plummenting out of a very fast turn.
    Its taken thousands of years on this slow arc to get to here and its been painful. Now we are in the tighter part of and end curve (THE quikening); After we will head back and it will be joyful. Watch for many mentally falling off on the tightest part of the curve though!
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    Andre I take offense to what you said about me wanting to sell a bridge to anyone...you need to look at Joseph Campbell! That's what I am talking about!!!

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    My personal belifes are that time isnt lineal its circular.This is from observation of all of the molecules atoms etc of the Universe and the cycles here on Earth ,seasonal and the cycles or spirals within us,including evolutionary dna, nothing else.

    The sun is the channel that all life forms as we know it have come through; (for the single minded amongst us " Not the one creating portion, but the link it has come THROUGH ").
    Every bit of warmth you feel even the internal warmth you imit personally is from that original source. Love and light.
    I can heal anything using mind, when minds come together as one ;as can all others if they intend it.
    Feeling emotionally that something will happen is what makes it happen,both good and bad (if you choose to see difference that way.)

    Strange fact: People quite often invent the same thing at the same time on differenet sides of the planet. My uncle invented a machine for swimming that some else did in the States at exactly the same time in the sixties.Happens all the time ,we are linked not only by what we require but what provides it as well.
    Victums attract aggression and visa versa,those frequencies match exactly. Fear and anger are like mulch to each other.
    Molecules change shapes to thoughts sent by emotions.

    We are one; One who chose to form many, to go out on our seperate ways by our own original choice and many still choose to continue on that journey where as some have turned around to look back.
    The ones that look opposite ways are still one; but only one of those groups can see both sides.
    The ones that think or feel that they are eternally seperate from all others can continue to; but it isnt a lineal path its curved too,so they will come around or they will waver towards a false goal and find nothing.
    People search for true love outside of themselves and find lust.
    People who are scared of real love or the light,when it does shine on them either attack it or turn from it and head further back into their personal darker cave .
    Some prefer the comfort of their physical stationary position and will fight for it. Whe they attack others over it they are attacking themselves and the hatred increases and they self diminish.
    Others prefer to move.
    Some unfortunatley choose to move in reverse against natural order and this has major consequencies that they are numb to for a while.
    We are spirit and mind first and formeost. Physical things are always lost and cant be held onto.
    If you gather the correct things that side with who you really are and hold them close to you ,you cannot lose anything.
    IF you gather whats not of your original form and claim it as your own and try to hold onto what cant be held onto;at physical death you will feel that you have lost everything.
    Give up the physcial fight for what you cant keep and another eye will gradually open to what is behind what you can 'only think' is real.
    It is not unnatural to begin to want less.Total freedom is not a game or a mind set. Give yourself the space.
    As I've said, I believe this world is one big blob of pulsating energy and as such it pulsates in waveforms. According to physicists' view, the energy field in the world is either in waveforms or quantum forms (in packets of energy as against waves). They say that the world manifests both forms but there can be only one. So their goal is to unify the two forms in one unified field theory. But let me stick to waveform theory here. Somewhere in the Bible, there is a passage that says that it was God's word that created this world. What is a word? In spoken form it is just a vibration thru air, or a wave. Perhaps, Almighty God, who is infinitely more powerful and complex than anything is this world can utter his word which is equivalent to his will, and his word probably is not just a simple wave of air, which is a simple energy in itself, but naturally like him it must be an infinitely more powerful and complex wave of super-energy - one that sends out magnificent torrent of infinitely powerful waves pulsating in the formerly dark, stagnant and chaotic world of no order. A wave that once released unleases a self-perpetuating energy (fact which is supported by law of conservation of energy) that can only be stopped by God himself. As farfetched as it may seem, it is because we humans see things with our very, very limited minds, which is biased in favor of believing only things that can be observed by that very limited mind, which basically sees only those things needed for his survivor - which is infinitely more myopic than that of God.

    Therefore, as a waveform, the world moves in certain cycles, like ripples, which can explain why many things in this world happen in cycles and why still other things happen together, like the seasons, the cycles of ages like the ice age on the macro level and cycles of life at the micro level. This explains why there are coincidences, which are not coincidences (or happenstances, or just by chance) in the true sense. To cite some examples, according to Chinese zodiac or feng-sui, things happen at 60-year cycles. Although I usually don't believe in these zodiac or astrological based forecasts as they are usually based on very limited factors (the world is much more complex than that), that 60-year cycle seems to have been fulfilled in the 9-11 tragedy, which happened almost exactly 60 years after Pearl Harbor attack! So naively, I was considering something magnificent might happen in Japan on 2005, 60th year after A-bomb. But fortunately nothing happened. Perhaps, it was because Japan had not been involved in any conflict ever since WWII and so there was no more cyclical pressure on it to again suffer the same type of tragedy. I believe that Japan has paid all it's centuries of karmic debts at Hiroshima - nation which has a history of wars after wars - and they became one of the most peace-loving society in the world. So there was no more need for Japan to pay for anything, unlike the US, where the hate of many people, rightly or wrongly, is directed at because of their involvement in world affairs, particularly thru military actions.

    As I've said, as an energy entity, everything in this world has influence on others as they are all interconnected in a web of one pulsating energy field, and as I've said, the pulsation might have started by the infinite energy waves unleased by God himself, I believe one of the more significant influences one earth is that of human thought or emotions, which is itself created by chemical and electrical energies within our nerves and brains. I believe human emotions has a some influence especially on his immediate environment, but collectively, I believe it has a very strong influence on it's environment, particularly on earth. Perhaps, that's the reason why certain tragedies occur at certain places on earth, and since these collective emotional waves sends out ripples, they tend to repeat itself at certain frequencies depending on how much those ripples are amplified by the continuation of the same actions that led to those waves in the first place. (But these historical waves have a tendency to wane at certain times.) In the case of US, they have been involved in world affairs which forces them to take sides and incur the wrath of others, which again unleashes hate waves that magnifies the ripples of the waves of tragedy.
    But I think this is all part of so-called birthpains which the world has to undergo before it's final purification, just like the case of Japan, where eventually we will all live in harmony and in joy. Far-fetched, right?

    I can go on and on and on with all these things but unfortunately my limited time doesn't allow it. (I want to clear one thing though, I'm grateful to the US which is, IMO, definitely making this world a peaceful place for most of us, even though I must add that they sometimes overdo it. But I can excuse them for the simple fact that they are doing it almost single-handedly, while most of the world sit comfortably on that fruit or security provided by the US, so naturally we can't expect them to be perfect in all their operations. I wish that the world superpowers would come together and stop all form of injustice, like terrorism and massacres, like in Rwanda, around the world. I was wondering what will happen if the US said 'NO.' [Attention, best-seller novelists, here's a potentially good book for you: The Day When America Said No.]

    [Note: I've edited this post on May 8, as the original one was done in a bit of haste.]
    Last edited by pacfan; 05-08-2008 at 05:20 AM.
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