did we miss something with the hatton mayweather fight?

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Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

Fair enough.

Corrales Hatton would have been a great fight, it would have been a war. I see Corrales being knocked down by the bigger man but at his best he always got up, Floyd had to do it numerous times to keep him there, Diego also showed way passed his best he could last with a full blown welter. The fight could be a SD either way IMO.

Hatton has not been that busy in the ring since Kostya. He used to be a good in and out fighter and could close the gap well, he did this first half of the fight against Urango but got tired. Most of his inside work now involves holding and mauling, he could have been allowed to do that against Floyd all day IMO and he wouldn't have done any damge, not from punches anyway.

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Every fighter cheats. Hatton cheats, last time I checked holding was as illegal as elbowing and butting. I also seem to recall Hatton landing a well-placed shot to Tszyu's balls, among his many other infractions.
None of that changes the fact that PBF is better than Hatton in every facet of the game. I like Hatton, I was hoping against all logic and reason that he could beat PBF, but if they fought 10 times, PBF would win 10 times, regardless of who the ref was.

I disagree, Floyd only won by cheating and the dodgy ref, if Hatton wouldn't have had the point took off then he wouldn't have started rushing in getting tagged so easy, he lost his focus after the point deduction and yet the shot never even landed

So it's the ref's fault he lost focus?

Yes sort of.

He didn't exactly give Hatton a fair shake.....in a fight where he was already a big underdog.

[RozzySean]

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

Most definetly don't find Hopkins exciting these days, but I do appreciate his ring craft more than Hatton's. Maybe it's just that he's a bit slicker and so wily. I certainly understand your point in that he's just as guilty of initiating clinches, hitting and holding and ruining the ebb and flow of a fight. But that's what he's trying to do, with Hatton it's more that he tries to hold in order to get off his own shots, rather than stop the other guy from getting off? Maybe I'm way off there. Certainly in his younger years Hopkins used clinching and dirty fighting much more strategically rather than having to do so in order to slow the pace. I'm also a bit of a sucker for old guys and underdogs I spose, if Hopkins wasn't 43 I'd probably have more bad things to say about the way he fights as well.

Hopkins holds and hits for offense probably a little less than Hatton, but he does it just as much, if not more, to slow the pace. But he uses his head as a weapon more. Whereas Hatton will do the hook and hold thing, Hopkins will do the straight right/headbutt and hold. Yeah, hopkins is slicker, and I appreciate that aspect of his game, and I appreciate it more because of his age.

Against Floyd, Mausa, and Castillo Ricky's style didn't bother me. He held some, for sure, but he was more fluid and used his feet. Against Tarver, I liked watching Hopkins a lot. He did his share of holding, but he let his hands go and he put on a real clinic. Instead of holding every time he landed a right, he was potshotting Tarver and getting back out to distance.

I only raised the point because Hatton takes a lot of crap for holding and using shady tactics, but Hopkins does the same types of thing, though in a different way, and he gets a pass on it. Maybe it's the age thing. Once you're past 35, you get an old guy-underdog pass. I can't really argue with that

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Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

Your arguement would work but then you actually watch the match and realise that Ricky was being beaten on the outside AND on the inside. Everyone talks about how the ref worked against Ricky but it worked against Floyd too because as somebody said he was getting the better of the exchanges. If anything Cortez' poor officiating worked more in Ricky's favour. Seeing as you like Ricky's quote here's another one for you from the man himself. ''He was a lot better on the inside than I thought''

Come on mate be objective, its obvious by your name that you're a Ricky fan but you're clutching at air here...a 'reasonably' sized ring? What does that mean? That Floyd cheated? What difference would the ring have made anyway...if you watched the same fight I did then you'd know there wasn't that much moving around in that fight full stop. Floyd was willing to engage. I think you mean a smaller ring and don't forget that a more skilled, bigger Oscar tried that one already and still lost. Also you want a ref that allows more inside fighting where Floyd was beating Ricky as well? These things just lead to Ricky getting knocked out quicker in my opinion rather than giving him a better chance. There isn't any day that Hatton gets the better of Floyd. He should be proud of his efforts but he was outclassed. Blaming outside factors doesn't show class from Ricky or his fans. A good workman never blames his tools.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

[HattonTheHammer]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

[DatsiK]

Okay, I'm a massive Ricky fan and i'm not putting him down, but he only dominates most of his fights on the inside because of his superior power to most others in the division, where as at welterweight his power is pretty average IMO and he cannot man-handle his opponents like he usually does. To be honest I don't know why he wants a rematch with Floyd, if it was a close bout then I would see a good reason for a rematch, but he was dominated, bad ref or not.

If he beats malignaggi, torres and witter in his remaining fights in his career I think that would be enough to go down in history as a great, and I think he'll do just that.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

[killersheep]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

Same could be said of the Hatton - Tszyu fight. Would Kostya have quit if a different ref didn't allow such a dirty fight?

Come to think of it that argument applies to pretty much every fight.

[HattonTheHammer]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

And he would have been knocked out also

[Bomp]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

Damn straight, there are two types of fighters, ones who make excuses, and ones who win.

[HattonTheHammer]

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

And he would have been knocked out also

again though thats a claim ive made - who could be sure hatton wouldnt of got to his corner after 10 seen the eye of the tiger and rallied hard during 11 and 12 to force a late stoppage??

[DaxxKahn]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

If Tommy had not hurt his hand on Haglers head and was able to keep attacking the fight would have been stopped due to that nasty cut....Much as I am a Hearns fan though I am not disapointed in that fight....3 of boxings greatest rounds

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Marvin Hagler was the greatest middleweight of all time. Hagler never really lost at his best at all,.. he only ever lost controversially.