Collazo vs. Berto

[RozzySean]

That is a perfect test for Berto. I also would like to see him in with Josh Clottey. That would be a great action fight.

And clottey beats him up with his leaky defense... You guys have to much faith in this untested fighter

I think both fighters beat Berto, but he needs to step un in class. Right now, he's rated in the top ten and he needs to fight a top 10 fighter so we know if he belongs there. Even if he losses it will be a learning experience for him because I haven't scene any improvement in his last few fights. Maybe Rodriguez can push him a little. So far, he's just powering his way through C grade fighters. Alvarez would be a good fight for him, too.

Against Clottey he would need to outbox him, because Clottey is stronger. Against Collazo, he would be up against a more skilled, slicker guy. Either way, he would have to adapt his game or lose. Personally I think he's a bit overrated.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

That is a perfect test for Berto. I also would like to see him in with Josh Clottey. That would be a great action fight.

And clottey beats him up with his leaky defense... You guys have to much faith in this untested fighter

I think both fighters beat Berto, but he needs to step un in class. Right now, he's rated in the top ten and he needs to fight a top 10 fighter so we know if he belongs there. Even if he losses it will be a learning experience for him because I haven't scene any improvement in his last few fights. Maybe Rodriguez can push him a little. So far, he's just powering his way through C grade fighters. Alvarez would be a good fight for him, too.

Against Clottey he would need to outbox him, because Clottey is stronger. Against Collazo, he would be up against a more skilled, slicker guy. Either way, he would have to adapt his game or lose. Personally I think he's a bit overrated.

Thank you... People are talking like Collazo is this journeyman gate keeper... He was a world champ last year... People are talking like Berto would have the ability to outbox Joshua Clottey... Berto has never come close to a guy like Clottey in the ring, a grizzled seasoned vet who can bang and back Berto way up...

[Macho]

Speaaking of quintana i just got a little news about my boy luis collazo..

I keep in touch a bit with lou's pr guy Ed Rosa n he tells me Lou is currently in camp helping paul williams out with sparring for the rematch!

Which is wicked news.. Keeping sharp and fit with no fights scheduled..

IMO no matter or what , Quintana will win again that fight , Williams can sparring with anybody and Quintana however will win him............

[ICB]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

Sorry POB but i disagree although Collazo maybe be a good slick fighter, he hasn't got power nor has he got high activity level. I think there is a decent chance of Berto stopping Collazo depending on how well he closes the distance and how quickly in the fight.

[ono]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

Finally some sense is creeping in. Collazo is way to much for him at this stage imo.

[ono]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

Sorry POB but i disagree although Collazo maybe be a good slick fighter, he hasn't got power nor has he got high activity level. I think there is a decent chance of Berto stopping Collazo depending on how well he closes the distance and how quickly in the fight.

His activity level against Hatton was fine. It was poor against Mosely but that's because he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

[p4pking]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

Sorry POB but i disagree although Collazo maybe be a good slick fighter, he hasn't got power nor has he got high activity level. I think there is a decent chance of Berto stopping Collazo depending on how well he closes the distance and how quickly in the fight.

His activity level against Hatton was fine. It was poor against Mosely but that's because he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

THat's ridiculous. His activity level was good against Hatton because Hatton came forward the entire fight, almost stubbornly so. Collazo is a good slick counterpuncher, who will eat up your average come forward type. The only reason Ricky didn't take more punishment in that fight is because of his own activity. Stylistically Hatton was a very good opponent for Collazo to look good against, especially since it was his first fight at welter. I think Mosley even took that fight as a blueprint to do better against Collazo. If you hadn't noticed, Mosley was almost hesitant to come forward against Collazo, though it is in his style, he was far more of a counter puncher in that fight than he has been in most of his bouts. I don't think it really matters whether Collazo really did hurt his hand or not, Shane had him figured out by the mid rounds anyways. Berto is more of an accurate one punch type fighter than Hatton is, and he has a fairly big frame for a welter. Don't get me wrong I think Collazo would be a great test for Berto, but I think Andre takes this one handily as it get's to the later stages. He just would need to fight smart and pick his spots, which from everything I've seen he already does well.

[RozzySean]

And clottey beats him up with his leaky defense... You guys have to much faith in this untested fighter

I think both fighters beat Berto, but he needs to step un in class. Right now, he's rated in the top ten and he needs to fight a top 10 fighter so we know if he belongs there. Even if he losses it will be a learning experience for him because I haven't scene any improvement in his last few fights. Maybe Rodriguez can push him a little. So far, he's just powering his way through C grade fighters. Alvarez would be a good fight for him, too.

Against Clottey he would need to outbox him, because Clottey is stronger. Against Collazo, he would be up against a more skilled, slicker guy. Either way, he would have to adapt his game or lose. Personally I think he's a bit overrated.

Thank you... People are talking like Collazo is this journeyman gate keeper... He was a world champ last year... People are talking like Berto would have the ability to outbox Joshua Clottey... Berto has never come close to a guy like Clottey in the ring, a grizzled seasoned vet who can bang and back Berto way up...

Collazo is better than a journeyman gatekeeper, but he isn't on the level with the Big Three at WW. Who has he beat? His whole reputation is based on giving a natually much small man who struggles against southpaws, Hatton, a hard time. I'm not that impressed with Clottey, either. He's a physical speciman and he can crack, but he's limited. He's been in tougher than Berto for sure, but I see his win over Chico as more about Chico being shot that Clottey being that good. Yeah, he looked good against Tony until he hurt his hand, but his whole reputation is based on that loosing effort.

Listen, I don't believe the Berto hype yet, but they guy is ranked high in by several of the alphabet organizations. He's the #1 WBC contender, believe it or not. Fightnews actually has him rated higher (how I don't know) than both Clottey and Collazo. It's not unreasonable to consider putting him in with Collazo or Clottey. Maybe he can step up his game against better competition. Maybe not. We aren't going to learn much by him fighting Rodriguez, and if he wins that fight he becomes the manditory for Mayweather's WBC belt. And since Floyd will vacate that tricket before he wastes his time on Berto, the guy ought to fight a legit top ten opponent before the WBC belt falls out of the sky into his lap, and if that happens, Collazo will be his manditory defense.

[ICB]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

Sorry POB but i disagree although Collazo maybe be a good slick fighter, he hasn't got power nor has he got high activity level. I think there is a decent chance of Berto stopping Collazo depending on how well he closes the distance and how quickly in the fight.

His activity level against Hatton was fine. It was poor against Mosely but that's because he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

Well first of Hatton forced Collazo to fight secondly Hatton wasn't putting effective pressure on Collazo. His punches were sloppy and they had no snap on them he wern't picking his spots, plus Hatton wasn't able to bully Collazo. Berto is bigger and stronger than Hatton at Welterweight and has the power to make Collazo more cautious and lower his activity level, plus he has the power to stop Collazo unlike Hatton, plus he has the size to bully Collazo on the inside.

[killersheep]

Well all in all I think this would be an excellent match-up like I said on the first post. It is a winnable fight by both men, they have both been on HBO and they would both be a good name on the resume for each fighter.

End of rant.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Well all in all I think this would be an excellent match-up like I said on the first post. It is a winnable fight by both men, they have both been on HBO and they would both be a good name on the resume for each fighter.

End of rant.

Yeah, no dout that either Clottey or Collazo would be a good fight... I mean, I just feel that Berto gets beat by both.

People are talking stoppage and it could happen but I think it unlikely. I am not a Collazo fan but people brush him aside like he's a nobody. I know that you're not nessesarily, Sheep, I'm just saying... He was a world champ and defended his title...

I think Clottey would Knock Berto the Fuck OUT...

Just my oppinion though

Cheers

[ono]

Sorry POB but i disagree although Collazo maybe be a good slick fighter, he hasn't got power nor has he got high activity level. I think there is a decent chance of Berto stopping Collazo depending on how well he closes the distance and how quickly in the fight.

His activity level against Hatton was fine. It was poor against Mosely but that's because he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

THat's ridiculous. His activity level was good against Hatton because Hatton came forward the entire fight, almost stubbornly so. Collazo is a good slick counterpuncher, who will eat up your average come forward type. The only reason Ricky didn't take more punishment in that fight is because of his own activity. Stylistically Hatton was a very good opponent for Collazo to look good against, especially since it was his first fight at welter. I think Mosley even took that fight as a blueprint to do better against Collazo. If you hadn't noticed, Mosley was almost hesitant to come forward against Collazo, though it is in his style, he was far more of a counter puncher in that fight than he has been in most of his bouts. I don't think it really matters whether Collazo really did hurt his hand or not, Shane had him figured out by the mid rounds anyways. Berto is more of an accurate one punch type fighter than Hatton is, and he has a fairly big frame for a welter. Don't get me wrong I think Collazo would be a great test for Berto, but I think Andre takes this one handily as it get's to the later stages. He just would need to fight smart and pick his spots, which from everything I've seen he already does well.

So surely that shows that if he had to fight Berto's fight, he would be able to adapt. If he can match Hatton's activity level, i'm sure he can match Berto's?

And i think his hand injury was of importance in the Mosely fight. It was 1 round a piece when he broke his hand. At that point Mosely was struggling to cope with Collazo's straight right hand. It landed at will throughout the 2nd round. When he hurt it, he stopped throwing it.....which enabled Shane to take control of the fight. I can't imagine anybody hanging with Shane with a broken hand.

Still if Berto was to beat him, i'd hold my hands up and admit you're right. Guess we'll just have to wait and see....if it happens.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

His activity level against Hatton was fine. It was poor against Mosely but that's because he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

THat's ridiculous. His activity level was good against Hatton because Hatton came forward the entire fight, almost stubbornly so. Collazo is a good slick counterpuncher, who will eat up your average come forward type. The only reason Ricky didn't take more punishment in that fight is because of his own activity. Stylistically Hatton was a very good opponent for Collazo to look good against, especially since it was his first fight at welter. I think Mosley even took that fight as a blueprint to do better against Collazo. If you hadn't noticed, Mosley was almost hesitant to come forward against Collazo, though it is in his style, he was far more of a counter puncher in that fight than he has been in most of his bouts. I don't think it really matters whether Collazo really did hurt his hand or not, Shane had him figured out by the mid rounds anyways. Berto is more of an accurate one punch type fighter than Hatton is, and he has a fairly big frame for a welter. Don't get me wrong I think Collazo would be a great test for Berto, but I think Andre takes this one handily as it get's to the later stages. He just would need to fight smart and pick his spots, which from everything I've seen he already does well.

So surely that shows that if he had to fight Berto's fight, he would be able to adapt. If he can match Hatton's activity level, i'm sure he can match Berto's?

And i think his hand injury was of importance in the Mosely fight. It was 1 round a piece when he broke his hand. At that point Mosely was struggling to cope with Collazo's straight right hand. It landed at will throughout the 2nd round. When he hurt it, he stopped throwing it.....which enabled Shane to take control of the fight. I can't imagine anybody hanging with Shane with a broken hand.

Still if Berto was to beat him, i'd hold my hands up and admit you're right. Guess we'll just have to wait and see....if it happens.

Don't worry you won't have to...

[Dark Lord Al]

Geezus Christ!... People are underrating Collazo... If you people think Berto is stopping Collazo you're out of your mind...

Hope this helps

I agree Mike ,Berto has alot to prove for me , yes he is fast , yes he has some power , but lets see him do it in World class , as for Collazo id give him a fair chance , from what ive seen of both fighters , one thing is he can take a shot.

[CutMeMick]

Collazos skilled I actually think if he comes in 100% focused and with the right mind set I can see him outboxing Berto to a UD.

It's just too bad for the injuries he's suffered that have held him back.

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