Who is the unluckiest fighter of recent times??

[frozensolid_702]

In terms of being on the wrong end of decisions I would go with Glen Johnson. If we are talking about unlucky in terms of getting big fights, I would say all those Cuban boxers that never got their opportunity to turn pro. What a different history boxing would have if Cuba was included.

Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!

Yuriorkis Gamboa will be a huge superstar. Give him two years

[BIG H]

In terms of being on the wrong end of decisions I would go with Glen Johnson. If we are talking about unlucky in terms of getting big fights, I would say all those Cuban boxers that never got their opportunity to turn pro. What a different history boxing would have if Cuba was included.

Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!

Lol - am I cuban now

Cubans cannot turn professional m8

[jmbtandy]

In terms of being on the wrong end of decisions I would go with Glen Johnson. If we are talking about unlucky in terms of getting big fights, I would say all those Cuban boxers that never got their opportunity to turn pro. What a different history boxing would have if Cuba was included.

Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!

They are not allowed, the only Cubans who turn professional are those who are illegals and seek immunity after (Escaping), such a shame those guys would have really lifted pro boxing, would love to have seen Savon taking on the heavyweights, he KO'd Shannon Briggs and David Tua among others in the amateurs which didn't happen at all with Tua in the pros and not Shannon was pretty tough too.

[frozensolid_702]

In terms of being on the wrong end of decisions I would go with Glen Johnson. If we are talking about unlucky in terms of getting big fights, I would say all those Cuban boxers that never got their opportunity to turn pro. What a different history boxing would have if Cuba was included.

Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!

Lol - am I cuban now

Cubans cannot turn professional m8

Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.




Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?

[HattonTheHammer]

Always used to wonder why you guys dominated every olympic games yet never had the same influence in the professional game!!

Lol - am I cuban now

Cubans cannot turn professional m8

Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.




Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?

Are they still allowed to represent cuba as a nation despite being an american citizen??

Ive never once heard of joel casamayor classed as an american??

[frozensolid_702]

Lol - am I cuban now

Cubans cannot turn professional m8

Unless they defect, ala Casamayor and Gamboa.




Did that clown Yanqui Diaz defect? Or is he just Cuban by nationality, but an American citizen?

Are they still allowed to represent cuba as a nation despite being an american citizen??

Ive never once heard of joel casamayor classed as an american??

Honestly, I'm not sure how that would work.

[leftylee]

Carl Froch, no one wants to fight him.

He will get his shot, the reason no one will fight him is because he hasn't got a decent name for himself, PPV etc are not interested, there is no money in fighting Froch, and he has had injury problems

His last fight was on Showtime. Calzaghe doesn't want no part yet he fights the ultimate duo in Peter Manfredo and Sakio Bika. Denis Inkin blatantly ducked him twice and made bullshit injury excuses. JT would rather face a shot to fuck Jeff Lacy instead. No one will fight him.

[frozensolid_702]

Carl Froch, no one wants to fight him.

He will get his shot, the reason no one will fight him is because he hasn't got a decent name for himself, PPV etc are not interested, there is no money in fighting Froch, and he has had injury problems

His last fight was on Showtime. Calzaghe doesn't want no part yet he fights the ultimate duo in Peter Manfredo and Sakio Bika. Denis Inkin blatantly ducked him twice and made bullshit injury excuses. JT would rather face a shot to fuck Jeff Lacy instead. No one will fight him.

Since then he's fought Kessler and Hopkins and is slated to fight RJJ next. Those are/were much bigger fights. He might have made even more money for Manfredo than he would have gotten for Froch. Perhaps he should have taken a fight with Froch instead of Bika, but it's almost too late for a Froch fight now. Joe's a big earner these days.

[The Fightfan]

The person who keeps coming to mind is David Tua. I don't think any heavyweight had to go through as much B.S. about fight's then him.


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I believe this was the fight were Tua lost.

[JohnnyKickAss]

All those guys who fight their whole life,but never gotten any recognition mostly because they had bad management...like Baldomir without the happy ending at the end of his career...

Baldomir got big fights he won a title and made a decent amount of money though

I meant boxer like Baldomir,who didn't get their big payday...but fought their whole life...

[CutMeMick]

Who is the most unlucky fight around, there are few guys who come to mind who if just given the right fights or not had some poor decisions go against them they could have been so much more

A few names to get going..

John Ruiz - He has had a lot of opportunities and yes he is not the best guy to watch but 5 of his 7 losses have been desperately close points decisions and he also has a draw. If those decisions had gone his way he could be a lot richer than he is an be held in a much higher light.

David Tua - Despite an impressive record of 49-3-1 he has only ever had 1 title shot

Glen Johnson - Lost so many fights he should have won, should be financially secure but still has to fight on at the age of 40

Vitali Tyspko - Robbed against Jeff Lacy a fight that could have lifted him into contention, also lost a desperately close decision against Chanet in his home town (France). Avoided fighter who is now running out of time at 32.

Josua Clottey - Only now at 31 is he finally getting some recognition, was beating Margarito until hampered by a hand injury and Disqualified against Baldomir his only two loses, 34-2 but only ever had 1 title shot.

Michael Jennings - 33-1 only loss by split decision, (debatable) never given an opportunity to step up in class despite being capable, now 30 years old and on the slide

Ajose Olusegun - One of the most talented guys around, but is just not being given the right fights, what for his name because as soon as he does he will shock the world, 28 needs a big fight before it is too late.

Sergio Gabriel Martinez - Record of 43-1-1 his only loss to Antonio Margarito, won an IBF eliminator back in April 07, since had 4 wins and still no title shot, currently on an unbeaten run of 27 fights, not lost in 8 years, one of the most avoided guys around.

Chris John - Unbeaten in 42 fights, beaten fighter such as Juan Manuel Marquez, but never even mentioned in any P4P lists, still not been given a big fight in the States

Gerry Pensola - Finally getting some recognition for the 35 year old 2 weight world champion 4 of his 6 losses were by split decision.

To be clear though, sometimes these fighters are not willing to meet half way and they spent most of the time fighting once a year waiting for the right opponent/money. Then they cry wolf that no one wants to fight them. Then you also have management/promoters who also are content with the fighters making them good money fighting the same type of fighters and making money off the name that they build locally.

I mean Chris John doesn't want to leave his backyard. JMM had to take his ass over there due to bad management also. So you see it's a mixture of several things.

David Tua, the opp. were there for him yrs. ago and he just never applied himself. Got careless and out of shape I think he just deflated after the Lennox lost cause after that he lost to Byrd, then he tried to rebuild and got a Draw with Hasim and after that yrs. had passed by and it wasn't the same. Inactivity.

[amat]

I agree Mick most of these guys have themselves to blame. John included. Not all of them but a lot. Ruiz is a shit fighter and if he didn't give a certain amount of his purse to the sanctioning bodies he would never have sniffed more then a single title shot. I would consider him lucky to have had as many opportunities as he's had.

Clottey didn't lose because of his hand. May have contributed but he lost to the better fighter, that is one of the most overblown excuses in a single fight I have ever heard.

Martinez as far as I know has never signed with a promoter in his career. Given him a lot more keep and made him more financially secure but consequently has never had that big shot. He does deserve it though but if you want to work without a promoter you have to have a bigger name then his.

Winky Wright is unlucky but will still be remembered as great, no doubt. But for all intensive purposes he should be a 3 weight Ring Magazine champion imo. But he's made plenty of money and has been living the good life for quite a while since his globetrotting days.

I love Glen Johnson, but he knew the risks each time he stepped in another fighter's backyard. Much less after 2,3,4 or 5 robberies. He's got like 8 on his record. He knows the deal but he's a good guy and represents everything right about boxing in a way.

[CutMeMick]

the marquez brothers deserve a mention both came within a whisker of greatness and just failed!!

Sometimes I wonder when I read your posts how much boxing you've actually seen and how much you currently see.

You mean to tell me that you think that both JMM & Rafa are NOT 2 of the greatest fighters of this generation?

The 1st brother duo to be Top 10 P4P and the..... You know what?
Before I waste any time and text here. I'd would really like to read you supporting facts to this and why you feel that neither guy is a great fighter. Whenever your ready I'm all

Heres both guys records so you don't have to go to BoxRec and look them up. Let me know if you need to see any one of their fights and I'll gladly up load them for you.

JMM: Juan Manuel Marquez

Rafa: Rafael Marquez

[Violent Demise]

Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.

[amat]

Joel Casamayor. He's been robbed of 4 wins in his career.

This is true, with those 4 wins he would undoubtedly be remembered as one of the greatest of the generaton but sadly not sure that is going to be the case especially if he loses a cashout bout to Marquez.