Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer

[CutMeMick]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

[Bomp]

It sure does, he should retire

[Chino]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Hahahahaha! Oh man, now we'll see bunch of threads about how ODLH is completely afraid of Pac and made it an excuse or Pac. God forbid ODLH beat the forum's beloved Cotto, this place would be quite something and we would see come creative excuses as for why Cotto lost just like we did when he lost convincingly against Margarito.

[Pavlik]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Well he should be

[LeonardW12Hagler]

If that reported purse is accurate he'll sign

[Violent Demise]

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH?

Yes

[Lance Uppercut]

From Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/BOXING



A week after face-to-face negotiations began for a Dec. 6 megafight between Oscar De La Hoya, boxing's most popular star, and Manny Pacquiao, the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world, talks have broken down, leaving the fight in doubt.


Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, told ESPN.com that talks reached a stalemate Tuesday when neither De La Hoya nor Pacquiao would budge from the percentage split each wanted.
According to Arum, De La Hoya was seeking a 70-30 revenue split in his favor while Pacquiao wanted 40 percent of an HBO PPV fight that would likely generate more than $100 million.


The other issues had been resolved, Arum said. The sides agreed to a 147-pound maximum weight limit, meaning De La Hoya would have to make the welterweight limit for the first time since defeating Arturo Gatti in 2001. The lightest De La Hoya, who has won titles in six divisions, had been since was for his May decision win against Steve Forbes when he weighed 150 pounds.


Pacquiao, who holds a 135-pound lightweight title after starting his career as a 106-pounder, would have moved up two weight classes to fight De La Hoya.
Also resolved was the issue of the gloves for the fight that would have taken place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where De La Hoya figures to face a different opponent at the end of the year unless he or Pacquiao has a change of heart.


Arum said the sides had also agreed to wear 8-ounce gloves of the brand of their choice instead of 10-ounce gloves


"Richard and I had a good meeting and we resolved the other issues," Arum said. "Oscar wanted 70-30 and Richard and I figured that there would be room for movement. Oscar was supposed to come in [to Los Angeles] this week to meet with Richard in person, but he didn't make it and had to do it on the telephone. Oscar was adamant about it being 70-30 or no deal. Richard told me that and that I transmitted it to Pacquiao and his people in the Philippines. They told me that there was no deal and to look to make another fight."


Arum said his backup plan is for Pacquiao to defend his lightweight belt against Humberto Soto, a top junior lightweight who would move up for the opportunity. However, Arum does not have a site or venue in which to stage the fight in the jam-packed fall.


Arum was clearly disappointed with the turn the talks took.
"This is not Richard or me f------ around," he said. "Richard and I had a very frank discussion. I always felt there would be a deal. When Richard came back and said that Oscar wasn't moving, I was surprised. Unless there is movement, the deal is off."


Schaefer was tied up in a meeting and not available to comment, but his words from a week ago when talks began were prophetic.
"I think what it will take is for Manny to give and for Oscar to give to get a deal done," Schaefer said.


Had Pacquiao, who has won titles in five divisions, accepted a 30 percent split, he could have earned his biggest payday, upwards of $10 million to $15 million. Arum said that is not the way Pacquiao thinks.


"The question in a fighter's mind is not how much they're going to make, but what is a fair split," he said. "Forget the ultimate number. They have to perceive what they are getting is fair. The deal we were working on was a lot of money for both guys. The question is what is a fair split? I thought somewhere between 30 and 40 percent for Manny was fair."


The most Pacquiao, 29, has ever made for a fight is about $5 million, Arum said.
Arum said he wished that De La Hoya had said it was 70-30 or nothing from the start.
"You don't start a negotiations offering 30 percent and adamantly take the position that you're not going to move. He should have said that in the beginning. It's not Richard, it's Oscar. He says Manny shouldn't get more than Floyd [Mayweather]. Floyd got 30 percent. Manny says he's bigger than Floyd was at the time."
When De La Hoya, 35, lost to Mayweather in May 2007, Mayweather received 30 percent of the promotion for what turned out to be the biggest grossing fight in history.


Arum left the door open to still making the fight.
"If they called us and proposed 35 percent I would go and I would be able to get the fight done," Arum said. "I hope that Oscar, with all his money and everything, is going to be sensible here."


Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.

[Pacdbest2]

Don't worry guys. It's not over yet!! This just a part of the hype. Pac is just Passing the ball to DLH. DLH will have a better Offer & this fight will still be made. After all that hype for the past few weeks... they can't just abandon this fight. It's up to DLH now.

[Violent Demise]

Don't worry guys. It's not over yet!! This just a part of the hype. Pac is just Passing the ball to DLH. DLH will have a better Offer & this fight will still be made. After all that hype for the past few weeks... they can't just abandon this fight. It's up to DLH now.

No it's up to Pac. That 30% is double the highest purse Pac has ever made. What fukking more does he want? If he feels he can beat Oscar than take the fight. But he doesn't feel that. Pac knows he has no chance against Oscar. And has finally come to his senses.

[JT Rock]

Yea I gotta agree if Floyd took 30% in all his high and mightiness and an ego the size of all out doors. Pac is smoking some good shit if he thinks he should get more.. The guy is gonna make $10 million more than he ever has in a fight...

Not to mention Floyd broke his ass in the promotion of that fight and made sure he generated a shiit load of attention negative or not, so he made sure that 30% was gonna translate to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Pac dosent have the crossover appeal, charisma nor the ability to promote this fight as a BIG EVENT!! thats what made Mayweather Delahoya so lucrative... Guys that fight around Pac's weight limit dont make that kind of money.. He needs to make it happen

Remember half of nothing is still nothing and thats what he has now

[zhubin]

Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.

[SweetPea]

Yea I gotta agree if Floyd took 30% in all his high and mightiness and an ego the size of all out doors. Pac is smoking some good shit if he thinks he should get more.. The guy is gonna make $10 million more than he ever has in a fight...

Not to mention Floyd broke his ass in the promotion of that fight and made sure he generated a shiit load of attention negative or not, so he made sure that 30% was gonna translate to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Pac dosent have the crossover appeal, charisma nor the ability to promote this fight as a BIG EVENT!! thats what made Mayweather Delahoya so lucrative... Guys that fight around Pac's weight limit dont make that kind of money.. He needs to make it happen

Remember half of nothing is still nothing and thats what he has now

agreed

[XaduBoxer]

PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

[Violent Demise]

PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

Yeah paying a fighter double the amount of his previous highest purse is really disrespectful. Come now. Bottom line is Pac talked a good game, but never really wanted the fight. If he did he would accept his career high purse and fight. But he knows it's going to be hard to enjoy his money if he's in ICU.

[brucelee]

Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.

So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?


Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.

Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.

Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.