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    Default Re: Cotto And Margarito To Rematch Next Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    I can't see Cotto winning this unless he really does a runner and steals it. should still be entertaining, but I'd be dissapointed for Tony if all he'll get to do in the next 10 months is go over old ground Cotto/Clottey, not sure how long a guy with his style has left, and he has unfinished business with Williams.
    It may be old ground but there really arn't any bigger fights out there for him. Floyd and Oscar won't want him, Williams, well that would be more old ground, as would Santos.

    In fact going over old ground is exactly what Margo should do imo.

    I can't think of any better fights for him than Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Santos rematches!

    They would all be intriguing fights and money makers for him.

    After all Isreal Vazquez and Rafael Marquez spent the past year fighting only each other, and probably earned more money and made more headlines during that time than the rest of their careers combined.

    A Cotto rematch would be immense, as would Williams and Santos. And a unification fight with Clottey would be a big fight too.

    Let him cover all the old ground he wants I say, there are no better fights out there for him.

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    Default Re: Cotto And Margarito To Rematch Next Summer

    If Cotto learned from his mistakes in the first fight and was able to make the right adjustments in the rematch, eg. Clinching on the inside, don't lean on the ropes, etc...... he could win a tough decision.

    If not Margarito stops him again.

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    Default Re: Cotto And Margarito To Rematch Next Summer

    i can see cotto winning the rematch i believe he will be a way better boxer after all he did win most rounds he just got wore down he needs to build up his energy and not brawl too much i think he will get the ud

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    i can see cotto winning the rematch i believe he will be a way better boxer after all he did win most rounds he just got wore down he needs to build up his energy and not brawl too much i think he will get the ud

    he was behind on the cards when he got stopped so he didnt most of the rounds at all , he had won 4 of the previous 10 i think, im a big cotto fan but those are just the facts.

    i cant see all tht much he can do differnelty in a rematch and no way should it be so soon

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    Default Re: Cotto And Margarito To Rematch Next Summer

    I dont think Cotto will ever fight Margarito again.

    If he does he wiull get ko`d quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    I can't see Cotto winning this unless he really does a runner and steals it. should still be entertaining, but I'd be dissapointed for Tony if all he'll get to do in the next 10 months is go over old ground Cotto/Clottey, not sure how long a guy with his style has left, and he has unfinished business with Williams.
    It may be old ground but there really arn't any bigger fights out there for him. Floyd and Oscar won't want him, Williams, well that would be more old ground, as would Santos.

    In fact going over old ground is exactly what Margo should do imo.

    I can't think of any better fights for him than Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Santos rematches!

    They would all be intriguing fights and money makers for him.

    After all Isreal Vazquez and Rafael Marquez spent the past year fighting only each other, and probably earned more money and made more headlines during that time than the rest of their careers combined.

    A Cotto rematch would be immense, as would Williams and Santos. And a unification fight with Clottey would be a big fight too.

    Let him cover all the old ground he wants I say, there are no better fights out there for him.
    I agree, but rather he chase the guys he lost to first, especially Williams at welter. If he beat Williams he'd be undisputed champ at welter, hoping it'd be enough to get Floy out of the woodwork.

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    Cotto fought a very good fight the first time. And still lost. I can't see him fighting any better. I think he'll always lose to Margarito
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    If Cotto fight's the same way he did in the last outing he will lose even worse.IMO he has to stay on Margarito's chest and riproar to the body on the inside. Margarito is tall and lanky so how do you fight those guy's simple by staying close. Margarito does have a good left uppercut to neutralize Cotto being in close but he dosen't seem to have as good an uppercut on the otherside. So to me if Cotto could switch a few times to southpaw like he has in the past it could help him out. Do I think Cotto will change no I see the same outcome. Margarito by TKO again.

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    I think cotto can win a rematch, the shot that did the most damage to him was the left uppercut as he leaned in with his head sticking out. It all went downhill from there, if he can stay away from that and apply some pressure on margarito I think the fight will be much closer and be viewed in a much more favourable light by the judges in the scoring.
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    I honestly think Cotto got to cocky in there, He was outboxing Margarito so emphatically that he underestimated Tony. I don't think he thought Tony could walk through those punches like he did, and I don't think Cotto had a plan B besides countering effectively.
    I sometimes wonder the same Taeth. At the first few rounds Cotto was throwing nice combinations and maybe thought he would go down soon just like any other opponent that receives Cotto's clean punches. Big surprise when Tony started landing early in the fight like that body punch at round 2 that made him sit on the ropes.

    I guess Cotto will probably come to the rematch with a not-so-exciting style and just hit and run pretty much like someone who pokes and taunts a lion in a cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    The only thing i would like Miguel Cotto to do is try and go to the body but saying that its hard to throw body shots on the back foot as you have to really plant your feet to make the body shots effective and i think Miguel Cotto needs to watch tapes on how Floyd Mayweather successfully stayed off the ropes against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight.
    Spot on! I always said Miguel needed to work the body more. Margarito did have his hands down protecting that area but Miguel could've still found openings here and there. Miguel could watch those Mayweather tapes but will he be able to pull it off? That's the real question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rotten Apple View Post
    Cotto fought a very good fight the first time. And still lost. I can't see him fighting any better. I think he'll always lose to Margarito
    I don't think Margarito is a better fighter than Cotto, I just think when you match the two up, Margarito has the upper hand. Similar to Pacquiao vs Barrera or Mosley vs Forrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins View Post
    Wow,thats alot,well thought out there but the bottom line is should Cotto stand in /Tie up and put himself at range even more so......The damage will accumulate faster Imo.He could not,did not deter Margarito in the least although his head shots were great. Margarito.....while not an accurate explosive one punch bomber.....was having a very noticeable effect on Cotto as early as the second round,he cut the ring off and was busting the body hard.This one comes down to imposing physicality all over again for me.Sometimes the reason fighter A will/did not do something is because fighter B did not allow it!And vice versa.

    Cotto did not "Give up" on his own volition,he fought his set off.....Margarito had quite abit to do with that decision making process.
    You think if Cotto was in the middle of the ring he would accumulate more punches than if he was on the ropes? what kind of logic is that? When your opponent is on the ropes you can plant your feet, you get more leverage on your punches, you don't need as ,uch footwork or anything. Also when Cotto was on the ropes Margarito can dictate the range. Cotto wouldn't accululate damage faster because there is the concept called smothering. If Cotto gets too close, Margarito will not be able to land as many punches, nor will he be able to get that many off

    Because of COtto defensive style on the ropes Margarito is able to throw 4-5 punches in a row. If you watch Mayweather against Hatton especially who was an even more pressuring fighter you will see that the way to get around this is to slip a punch and get inside and clinch your opponent.

    People will say that this isn't COtto's style, but a great fighter isn't subject to one way of fighting. I just watched the fight and I admit Cotto will not be able to punch and run for 12 rounds against Margarito, he isn't quick enough, and he will tire himself out, He basically ran for 11 rounds last time.

    For Cotto to win this he needs to use more lateral movement in the middle of the ring, he needs to clinch after the first or second punch Margarito throws when Margarito has him on the ropes, and he needs to make Margarito move laterally a lot more, in doing so he will take steem off Margarito's punches, He will take away Margarito's ability to plant his feet(like Hopkins did to Trinidad), and he will make things easier for himself.

    Personally I think Margarito doesn't like fighting truly on the inside, people say he outmuscled Cotto, but I don't see it, Duran muscled opponents around, Hatton muscled Tszyu around, they used their strenght to literally push their opponent around, Margarito uses his stamina and indestructibility to come forward and break the will of his opponents through a barrage of punches. I've noticed Margarito can throw short punches, but he loves the distane just outside of in-fighting. ON the inside he is a little too long to be effective, and on the outside he is too slow and untechnical to beat opponents, Cotto needs to learn from Hopkins and Mayweather how to take away that middle range, their greatness has been based on that, now Cotto if he wants that same greatness needs to do the same. I have no doubt if they are in close Cotto's body build will make him the stronger guy, a much lower center of gravity and shorter arms are more important the closer opponents get, and so Cotto needs to mix up by beating Margarito to the punch on the inside, and countering him effectively on the outside.

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    Also Cotto needs to use a lot more headmovement, and lateral movement when he is on the ropes, he just would sit on the ropes and cover up, and thats how you get pounded, if he was moving while on the ropes all same rules apply as when they are in the middle of the ring and he is using lateral movement, it takes away a lot of Margarito's effectiveness, especially if Cotto moves to his right.

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    Same Results, Maybe a round or two earlier this go around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins View Post
    Wow,thats alot,well thought out there but the bottom line is should Cotto stand in /Tie up and put himself at range even more so......The damage will accumulate faster Imo.He could not,did not deter Margarito in the least although his head shots were great. Margarito.....while not an accurate explosive one punch bomber.....was having a very noticeable effect on Cotto as early as the second round,he cut the ring off and was busting the body hard.This one comes down to imposing physicality all over again for me.Sometimes the reason fighter A will/did not do something is because fighter B did not allow it!And vice versa.

    Cotto did not "Give up" on his own volition,he fought his set off.....Margarito had quite abit to do with that decision making process.
    You think if Cotto was in the middle of the ring he would accumulate more punches than if he was on the ropes? what kind of logic is that? When your opponent is on the ropes you can plant your feet, you get more leverage on your punches, you don't need as ,uch footwork or anything. Also when Cotto was on the ropes Margarito can dictate the range. Cotto wouldn't accululate damage faster because there is the concept called smothering. If Cotto gets too close, Margarito will not be able to land as many punches, nor will he be able to get that many off

    Because of COtto defensive style on the ropes Margarito is able to throw 4-5 punches in a row. If you watch Mayweather against Hatton especially who was an even more pressuring fighter you will see that the way to get around this is to slip a punch and get inside and clinch your opponent.

    People will say that this isn't COtto's style, but a great fighter isn't subject to one way of fighting. I just watched the fight and I admit Cotto will not be able to punch and run for 12 rounds against Margarito, he isn't quick enough, and he will tire himself out, He basically ran for 11 rounds last time.

    For Cotto to win this he needs to use more lateral movement in the middle of the ring, he needs to clinch after the first or second punch Margarito throws when Margarito has him on the ropes, and he needs to make Margarito move laterally a lot more, in doing so he will take steem off Margarito's punches, He will take away Margarito's ability to plant his feet(like Hopkins did to Trinidad), and he will make things easier for himself.

    Personally I think Margarito doesn't like fighting truly on the inside, people say he outmuscled Cotto, but I don't see it, Duran muscled opponents around, Hatton muscled Tszyu around, they used their strenght to literally push their opponent around, Margarito uses his stamina and indestructibility to come forward and break the will of his opponents through a barrage of punches. I've noticed Margarito can throw short punches, but he loves the distane just outside of in-fighting. ON the inside he is a little too long to be effective, and on the outside he is too slow and untechnical to beat opponents, Cotto needs to learn from Hopkins and Mayweather how to take away that middle range, their greatness has been based on that, now Cotto if he wants that same greatness needs to do the same. I have no doubt if they are in close Cotto's body build will make him the stronger guy, a much lower center of gravity and shorter arms are more important the closer opponents get, and so Cotto needs to mix up by beating Margarito to the punch on the inside, and countering him effectively on the outside.
    Pretty basic logic actually.It is obvious....Cotto can not maintain an inside perimitor and mount an effective offense if he is concentrating so much on clinching.He can tempo this with sharp circling to a degree Imo but all in all I see Martgarito as just to strong one way or the other.Find me a line where I said Cotto should stand on the ropes against Margarito....?? I can find you many where I stated prior that said it would be his down fall though!!

    Cotto only chance of winning this I believe will be a doubled up severe body attack and tight boxing.It is very apparent that hitting Tony in the head is akin to throwing rocks at a tank.Do not under estimate Margaritos inside bodywork as well,ecspecially the short left upper-hook.Plain and simple......I do not believe Cotto can/will stand on the inside with Margarito and maintain the middle of the ring...Tony is too strong...and when He boxes out,Coto will be pushed to the ropes.

    I have nothing but respect for Cotto and am of mind that he will rebound in the future to attain status once again,But he is No Hopkins.Hopkins transformed over career from an in your face offensive machine to a tatical sharpshooter and some would argue an inside grappler not ashamed to make it ugly,its apples and oranges here.Cotto is far from this complete tranformation at this point in career and I dont see anything off the last fight that leads me to believe he can pull it off suddenly in rematch........Frankly,I think an immediate rematch with Margarito is a mistake.He needs to rebuild,retool and go graduale Imo......his pride is apparent.

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