Clottey calling out Paul Williams for Nov. 29 fight...

[Wayne]

Yeh Margarito was almost killin Paul in like the last 3 rounds of their fight...he could have beat him then but he started out too late in the fight. Marg TKO over Paul on their second fight

Killing him in the last 3 rounds? Williams won the last round. To say Margarito would KO him in a rematch is to ignore all the work Williams did. Remember, there's a reason why Margarito intentionally started late. In a rematch he may not have anything to offer in the latter rounds.

[JT Rock]

Id like to see how much steam Cotto has left, before I start picking him to beat solid durable guys like Clottey.. I laugh because the majority of the forum sleeps on Clottey and picks him apart constantly about how he is nothing special, promoters are weary to put there fighters in with him and all the guy does for the most part is win, so that tells me is must be damn good then.. TO many fickle people around here

Also you guys are in for a rude awakening if you think Cotto is gonna come back from that brutal beat down still having that terminator aura about him. guaranteed that engine lost some horsepower. I said it after the mosley fight, when Cotto couldnt break Shane down he slammed it in reverse and had Mosley been better with punch selection and applied intelligent pressure he could have won that fight. Kudos to Miguel for countering Shane when he was coming in and winning the fight.

Clottey is a huge Welterweight with a damn good defense and solid chin, Cotto isint breaking him down either

[Wayne]

I have to agree with JT Rock. Sometimes it's easy to overlook a guy because he hasn't made it yet. Clottey should have been fighting the top guys for a couple years now and probably hasn't because of his own efforts. He made Margarito look like a punching bag and even when his fists wilted he stood up to his power. And since then he hasn't done anything but win. My only complaint about Clottey is he seems to lack that killer instinct. He could have gone after Shamone Alvarez but didn't. Zab Judah was a coincidental TKO- he wasn't really pursuing a knockout so much as he was outclassing Zab. If he's going to beat one of the champions he's going to have to beat him up. And I don't have a problem with his stamina; he seems able to throw punches whenever he wants, but it doesn't seem like he wants to often enough.

[Rantcatrat]

During the Mosely-Mayorga fight, Lampley and Merchant said that Tony had passed on a 4 million dollar rematch with Williams to set up a rematch with Cotto, probably for bigger money. Well, that's funny considering that's what Floyd did to Tony, to make more money against Oscar, and Tony said floyd was ducking him. Who's ducking now.


As for Clottey-Williams, good fight that is Williams' to lose IMO. Should maintain control throughout, and win via decision. Wouldn't count Clottey out though.

I don't think your comparison to Floyd is fair. The difference is that Floyd never fought Tony. Tony has already fought Williams. Tony has also fought all-comers. I don't think he has ducked anybody. When he beats Cotto in their rematch, assuming Williams hasn't been beat by that point, my money is on Tony accepting that match for a big-time pay day.

[Rantcatrat]

Paul Williams has a Nov. 29 HBO fight date... Clottey would like to be the opposing boxer but I think this fight will not happen... Clottey is with TopRank...
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I think Williams beats Clottey. I would be surprised if Clottey beat Williams. Clottey didn't look too devestating in his fight against Judah. I don't think Williams would dominate Clottey, but he throws too many punches. As such, I foresee Williams cruising to decision victory in the neighborhood of 8 - 4.

[Plopeater]

Would be a good fight but I see a Williams win on Pts in a close good fight

[hfahrenheit]

My only complaint about Clottey is he seems to lack that killer instinct. He could have gone after Shamone Alvarez but didn't. Zab Judah was a coincidental TKO- he wasn't really pursuing a knockout so much as he was outclassing Zab. If he's going to beat one of the champions he's going to have to beat him up. And I don't have a problem with his stamina; he seems able to throw punches whenever he wants, but it doesn't seem like he wants to often enough.

I agree with your statement, just on a wholesale level. I also would like to see more 'gusto' and for him to finish opponents in maybe a more bloodthirsty way... I'm just worried about fighters doing things outside their comfort zone, and not sticking to their game plan. In the same way that if Oscar had stuck to the jab vs. Floyd he would have won, maybe Clottey should stick to his defense/power routine, the fear being that he doesn't do the other things well, (namely his offensive boxing skills aren't what they could be), and by switching up, he let someone back in a fight. But having said that, I would have loved see to him give Judah a Margarito style uppercut or some Cotto body punches that put his ass on the mat. I would have loved to see him beat so bad that he didn't want to fight anymore.

[OumaFan]

I don't see Clottey giving Williams much trouble.

[hfahrenheit]

I think Williams beats Clottey. I would be surprised if Clottey beat Williams. Clottey didn't look too devestating in his fight against Judah. I don't think Williams would dominate Clottey, but he throws too many punches. As such, I foresee Williams cruising to decision victory in the neighborhood of 8 - 4.

the cliche about "this is why they play the games" applies heavily to this fight- I don't know which to value more, (and there's nothing really definitive to prove either), Clottey's defense or Williams' offense? I lean toward a points decision for Williams because of most Judges propensity to reward the busier fighter, but (repeating myself) if Clottey dictates the tempo and his defense is good enough to nullify Williams in the same way he did Judah, it'll be a points win for Clottey. Dunno, that's why they fight instead of just talking about it.

another thought- wouldn't it be great if this was another Margarito v Cotto style win (for either)? that would make for a helluva showdown at some point?

[ClubberLang]

Dan Rafael had a blog a while back that said Margarito-Williams wasn't going to happen anytime soon because Bob Arum has beef with Al Haymon, Williams' manager. It has something to do with the negotiations for Williams-Pavlik falling apart. Arum has said he won't do business with Haymon. Since Clottey is also promoted by Arum, this fight is not likely to happen anytime soon, although it makes a lot of sense. According to Rafael, on Nov. 29 Williams will likely fight either Michael Jennings (his WBO mandatory) at 147 or challenge Verno Phillips for the WBC 154 pound title.

After that, it would make a lot of sense for him to fight Mosley. Both guys are going to have to wait on Margarito and Cotto since they are probably going to rematch next June, so the only money fight for either at 147 or 154 is each other.

[hfahrenheit]

Sadly, i think you're right.

[RozzySean]

Id like to see how much steam Cotto has left, before I start picking him to beat solid durable guys like Clottey.. I laugh because the majority of the forum sleeps on Clottey and picks him apart constantly about how he is nothing special, promoters are weary to put there fighters in with him and all the guy does for the most part is win, so that tells me is must be damn good then.. TO many fickle people around here

Also you guys are in for a rude awakening if you think Cotto is gonna come back from that brutal beat down still having that terminator aura about him. guaranteed that engine lost some horsepower. I said it after the mosley fight, when Cotto couldnt break Shane down he slammed it in reverse and had Mosley been better with punch selection and applied intelligent pressure he could have won that fight. Kudos to Miguel for countering Shane when he was coming in and winning the fight.

Clottey is a huge Welterweight with a damn good defense and solid chin, Cotto isint breaking him down either

I don't think Cotto can break down Clottey, but he should be able to outbox and outwork him. Clottey fights in spots sometimes, and Cotto is a little busier. Cotto would need to beat Clottey off his back foot, but I think he can do that, unless Tony has ruined him. We won't know that until we see him again.

As for not breaking down Shane, I mean, come on, Shane is incredibly durable and still a force to be reckoned with. It says a lot to me that Cotto could adjust and beat Shane in reverse.

I'm not knocking Clottey. I think he's a very good fighter, but I refuse to get off the Cotto bandwagon just because he lost to Tony, which I thought was a bad matchup for him to begin with. It's possible that back to back wars with Shane and Tony have taken there toll, but I'm not going to put a nail in his coffin until I see it for my own eyes.

[Plopeater]

Dan Rafael had a blog a while back that said Margarito-Williams wasn't going to happen anytime soon because Bob Arum has beef with Al Haymon, Williams' manager. It has something to do with the negotiations for Williams-Pavlik falling apart. Arum has said he won't do business with Haymon. Since Clottey is also promoted by Arum, this fight is not likely to happen anytime soon, although it makes a lot of sense. According to Rafael, on Nov. 29 Williams will likely fight either Michael Jennings (his WBO mandatory) at 147 or challenge Verno Phillips for the WBC 154 pound title.

After that, it would make a lot of sense for him to fight Mosley. Both guys are going to have to wait on Margarito and Cotto since they are probably going to rematch next June, so the only money fight for either at 147 or 154 is each other.

Promotors should get over themselves.

If this fight makes sense make it happen rather than holding grudges against other promotors

[XaduBoxer]

This is getting hot...


"I will slap Clottey around. I know my fans would love to see it. They can contact my peoples and it's a done deal. Now they won't be able to get any sleep. They shouldn’t have said that and now its too late to take it back. They want to fight me - lets make it happen! There is no going back now. All they have to do is contact my people and it's a done deal. I don't want no excuses when I slap Clottey around. I may knock him back to Ghana."

"I'll fight Berto and Clottey on the 29th. I might make it so quick they may as well put them in the ring together and I'll knock them both of them out one by one. Both of them can get it. They can put both of them in the ring at the same time. All they have to do is contact my people, contact Al Haymon, and we can get it for the 29th of November."

"He called himself the best, that's calling me out. He can't take it back now. After DiBella said he didn’t want to put him in the ring with me, Berto should of let it die like that. Now I want that WBC belt. Now that he said he's the best - it's on. He called me out by saying he's the best. Now he's on the chopping block and I have to burn him up. I still can't believe that Berto made that comment on the internet. I don't write checks that I can't cash. Now his head is on the chopping block."

[hfahrenheit]

Fuckin' eh... let's have it then. They've generated enough interest now, and there's been enough direct shit talking that now reputations will be damaged....

apparently, Paul Williams feels pretty good after his recent knockout.