If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

[ICB]

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

Bilbo do you realize how much of an underdog Bernard Hopkins was against Felix Trinidad ? and do you know Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR. And was very high in the P4P rankings ?

Bernard Hopkins also beat Antwun Echols x2 who beat Charles Brewer, which is one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins, and also a win over Keith Holmes who dominated a young Richie Woodhall, which is also one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins.

Also aren't you forgetting Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown, ETC. they are all solid wins.

This isn't about B Hop though Ice, you'll notice he's not in my list of fighters.

i'll ask you again, who, of the fighters I mentioned in the current p4p list has a better resume than Calzaghe and why?

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3-x4 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting RJJ the same RJJ he called a hasbeen before his fight with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

[leftylee]

Bilbo do you realize how much of an underdog Bernard Hopkins was against Felix Trinidad ? and do you know Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR. And was very high in the P4P rankings ?

Bernard Hopkins also beat Antwun Echols x2 who beat Charles Brewer, which is one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins, and also a win over Keith Holmes who dominated a young Richie Woodhall, which is also one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins.

Also aren't you forgetting Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown, ETC. they are all solid wins.

This isn't about B Hop though Ice, you'll notice he's not in my list of fighters.

i'll ask you again, who, of the fighters I mentioned in the current p4p list has a better resume than Calzaghe and why?

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting a man he called a hasbeen before his fights with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

LOL. I was just about to make a thread on Calzaghe's contadicting.

Last week someone asked him would you give Hopkins a rematch, he replied "No, I don't do rematches".

Then WTF was Mario Veit or Evans Ashira rematch (I get mixed up with Calzaghe's below par opposition names) all about The first fight he won in a round, one of the most pointless rematches ever.

[Fenster]

Bilbo do you realize how much of an underdog Bernard Hopkins was against Felix Trinidad ? and do you know Felix Trinidad was being compared to SRR. And was very high in the P4P rankings ?

Bernard Hopkins also beat Antwun Echols x2 who beat Charles Brewer, which is one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins, and also a win over Keith Holmes who dominated a young Richie Woodhall, which is also one of Joe Calzaghe's better wins.

Also aren't you forgetting Glen Johnson, John David Jackson, Simon Brown, ETC. they are all solid wins.

This isn't about B Hop though Ice, you'll notice he's not in my list of fighters.

i'll ask you again, who, of the fighters I mentioned in the current p4p list has a better resume than Calzaghe and why?

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3-x4 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting RJJ the same RJJ he called a hasbeen before his fight with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

That is really stupid.

He was scared out of the supermiddle division (fuck knows by who?) to face Bernard Hopkins.

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe would have got some good respect had he rematched Robin Reid funny he says he doesn't do rematches when asked about rematching Hopkins the guy that nearly beat him.

[ICB]

This isn't about B Hop though Ice, you'll notice he's not in my list of fighters.

i'll ask you again, who, of the fighters I mentioned in the current p4p list has a better resume than Calzaghe and why?

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3-x4 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting RJJ the same RJJ he called a hasbeen before his fight with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

That is really stupid.

He was scared out of the supermiddle division (fuck knows by who?) to face Bernard Hopkins.

I never said he was scared out of the SMW division. I just find it funny that he called RJJ a hasbeen yet he is fighting him ? if he thinks that then why doesn't he fight the top SMW's, if he thinks RJJ is such a old hasbeen according to Joe Calzaghe himself ?

Infact you know what ? i would rather see Joe Calzaghe fight some of the elite SMW's. Than see Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones lost 4 rounds against Felix Trinidad who had been retired since 2005 and was way above his natural weightclass.

Plus he almost lost a decision against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw, RJJ is a shot fighter which is a fact. He can only fight for 1 minute of a round if that, and he fights entirely on the ropes. Thinking about this fight some more i actually think its a joke.

I only give RJJ a chance because he is faster than anyone Joe Calzaghe has fought, plus he has a good straight right hand. And he is the bigger man but thats more hope than anything.

[Fenster]

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3-x4 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting RJJ the same RJJ he called a hasbeen before his fight with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

That is really stupid.

He was scared out of the supermiddle division (fuck knows by who?) to face Bernard Hopkins.

I never said he was scared out of the SMW division. I just find it funny that he called RJJ a hasbeen yet he is fighting him ? if he thinks that then why doesn't he fight the top SMW's, if he thinks RJJ is such a old hasbeen according to Joe Calzaghe himself ?

Infact you know what ? i would rather see Joe Calzaghe fight some of the elite SMW's. Than see Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones lost 4 rounds against Felix Trinidad who had been retired since 2005 and was way above his natural weightclass.

Plus he almost lost a decision against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw, RJJ is a shot fighter which is a fact. He can only fight for 1 minute of a round if that, and he fights entirely on the ropes. Thinking about this fight some more i actually think its a joke.

So you think Calzaghe will win easy then?

What supermiddles would you like him to fight?

[leftylee]

How great would Joe Calzaghe v Chad Dawson be?

[Fenster]

Calzaghe would have got some good respect had he rematched Robin Reid funny he says he doesn't do rematches when asked about rematching Hopkins the guy that nearly beat him.

Reid turned down the rematch because he wanted more money than he was offered.

[Tysonbruno]

Calzaghe would have got some good respect had he rematched Robin Reid funny he says he doesn't do rematches when asked about rematching Hopkins the guy that nearly beat him.

Reid turned down the rematch because he wanted more money than he was offered.

Is that a fact? i never heard that

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Thing is fighters such as Pavlik and Cotto are both young fighters but they are willing to take risks now Pavlik lost to Hopkins and Cotto to Margarito but at least these young fighters are going for it. Calzaghe is in his late 30's unbeaten in 45 fights but he has only just started taking risks and is last 2 risks have been against fighters past there best Hopkins and Jones even if Hopkins has just beaten Pavlik he still isn't at his best. Calzaghe could have learned a lot from fighters like Pavlik and Cotto risk takers wanting big fights tough fights not clinging on to there unbeaten records.

Calzaghe beat Eubank as a young fighter let's not forget that.

Also look at B Hop. He didn't get his first signifcant fight until he fought the welterweight Trinidad in 2001 at the age of 36, the same age Calzaghe is now!

Calzaghe is actually ahead of Hopkins. At this age Hopkins had only fought Trinidad, Calzaghe already has wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins and is fighting another legend in Roy Jones next month.

Hagler didnt' get any big fights until he was past 30 either.

Trinidad was regarded as the best fighter in the world when hopkins destroyed him. The same can not be said of anyone on joes resume. Also, hagler was dying to get huge fights his entire career and eddie futch famously told him, you have 3 things going against you, 1 your left handed, 2 your black, 3 your good. Hagler was avoided, plain and simple. Joes a hall of famer but the criticism laid on him is no different than what jones and mayweather received as well, he did not take as many risks as he could have.

[ICB]

That is really stupid.

He was scared out of the supermiddle division (fuck knows by who?) to face Bernard Hopkins.

I never said he was scared out of the SMW division. I just find it funny that he called RJJ a hasbeen yet he is fighting him ? if he thinks that then why doesn't he fight the top SMW's, if he thinks RJJ is such a old hasbeen according to Joe Calzaghe himself ?

Infact you know what ? i would rather see Joe Calzaghe fight some of the elite SMW's. Than see Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones lost 4 rounds against Felix Trinidad who had been retired since 2005 and was way above his natural weightclass.

Plus he almost lost a decision against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw, RJJ is a shot fighter which is a fact. He can only fight for 1 minute of a round if that, and he fights entirely on the ropes. Thinking about this fight some more i actually think its a joke.

So you think Calzaghe will win easy then?

What supermiddles would you like him to fight?

I think Joe Calzaghe has a very good chance of winning, im only going with RJJ because he is one of my favorite fighters. And he was one of my idols when i used to watch him as a young kid.

As for who Joe Calzaghe could fight, well if we are saying he wasn't gonna fight RJJ. I would like him to fight Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch. These fighters are all young in there prime. Or even Chad Dawson at LHW.

But these fights are too dangerous and i understand why he is fighting RJJ, because is a name and he will make tons of money out of it. But Joe Calzaghe should stop contradicting himself all the time.

He said he doesn't do rematches but he fought a ridiculous rematch with Mario Veit, but he didn't rematch Robin Reid who many people thought beat Joe Calzaghe. And he won't rematch B Hop by the looks of it either another fight with alot of question marks.

He also called RJJ an old hasbeen before the Felix Trinidad fight, so what has changed his mind about RJJ now ? because RJJ won 8 rounds to 4 against a fighter who hadn't fought since 2005, and was way above his weightclass ?

[kingfrnk]

Well firstly most of those fighters have only been champions for a few years, and fighters like Marquez, Margarito, have only recently been starting to get the fights and respect because they were ducked for years.

Calzaghe has been a champion for over 10 years, which is x3-x4 aslong as every fighter on that list. So i think its unfair to compare how about in 5 years from now lets see if its debatable whether Joe Calzaghe has a better resume than most of the fighters on that list.

Of course Joe Calzaghe has better resume overall than most of the fighters on that list, because of how long he has been champion. But the fact of matter is, that out of all those title defenses only few names stand out.

And even those wins are questionable, like Chris Eubank being late replacement for Steve Collins, and he had to lose ridiculous amount of weight in a short time. And don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy.

I never said Joe Calzaghe hasn't got a good resume overall, but he could of took more risks and moved up in weight like he said he would. I find it funny now the division is starting to get stronger, he has moved up in the weight and is fighting RJJ the same RJJ he called a hasbeen before his fight with Felix Trinidad. He contradicts himself all the time.

That is really stupid.

He was scared out of the supermiddle division (fuck knows by who?) to face Bernard Hopkins.

I never said he was scared out of the SMW division. I just find it funny that he called RJJ a hasbeen yet he is fighting him ? if he thinks that then why doesn't he fight the top SMW's, if he thinks RJJ is such a old hasbeen according to Joe Calzaghe himself ?

Infact you know what ? i would rather see Joe Calzaghe fight some of the elite SMW's. Than see Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones lost 4 rounds against Felix Trinidad who had been retired since 2005 and was way above his natural weightclass.

Plus he almost lost a decision against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw, RJJ is a shot fighter which is a fact. He can only fight for 1 minute of a round if that, and he fights entirely on the ropes. Thinking about this fight some more i actually think its a joke.

I only give RJJ a chance because he is faster than anyone Joe Calzaghe has fought, plus he has a good straight right hand. And he is the bigger man but thats more hope than anything.

Man i knew that fight was a fukin joke as soon it started gettin talked about, but i still hope roy wins though. and if anyody says this fight is th best that can be made at 175 then thats fukin wrong, how does joe from fighting bhop who was atleast in the top 5 p4p to roy jones who isnt even the top 20 p4p anymore. to me thats just stupid

[Fenster]

I never said he was scared out of the SMW division. I just find it funny that he called RJJ a hasbeen yet he is fighting him ? if he thinks that then why doesn't he fight the top SMW's, if he thinks RJJ is such a old hasbeen according to Joe Calzaghe himself ?

Infact you know what ? i would rather see Joe Calzaghe fight some of the elite SMW's. Than see Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe, Roy Jones lost 4 rounds against Felix Trinidad who had been retired since 2005 and was way above his natural weightclass.

Plus he almost lost a decision against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw, RJJ is a shot fighter which is a fact. He can only fight for 1 minute of a round if that, and he fights entirely on the ropes. Thinking about this fight some more i actually think its a joke.

So you think Calzaghe will win easy then?

What supermiddles would you like him to fight?

I think Joe Calzaghe has a very good chance of winning, im only going with RJJ because he is one of my favorite fighters. And he was one of my idols when i used to watch him as a young kid.

As for who Joe Calzaghe could fight, well if we are saying he wasn't gonna fight RJJ. I would like him to fight Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch. These fighters are all young in there prime. Or even Chad Dawson at LHW.

But these fights are too dangerous and i understand why he is fighting RJJ, because is a name and he will make tons of money out of it. But Joe Calzaghe should stop contradicting himself all the time.

He said he doesn't do rematches but he fought a ridiculous rematch with Mario Veit, but he didn't rematch Robin Reid who many people thought beat Joe Calzaghe. And he won't rematch B Hop by the looks of it either another fight with alot of question marks.

He also called RJJ an old hasbeen before the Felix Trinidad fight, so what has changed his mind about RJJ now ? because RJJ won 8 rounds to 4 against a fighter who hadn't fought since 2005, and was way above his weightclass ?

I take it you'll give Roy no credit for beating Calzaghe - should he win then? Considering all Calzages wins are questionable. Shame for Roy.

You want him to fight Taylor? He's coming off TWO losses to a Hopkins victim.

Bute? He Just was unbelievably LUCKY not to be KO'd by a Kessler victim.

Froch? a 31-year-old who's best win is a beyond ancient Robin Reid.

Yeah.. i'm sure you'd give Calzaghe credit for those fights. Behave

[Fenster]

Calzaghe would have got some good respect had he rematched Robin Reid funny he says he doesn't do rematches when asked about rematching Hopkins the guy that nearly beat him.

Reid turned down the rematch because he wanted more money than he was offered.

Is that a fact? i never heard that

Thats what Reid said in an interview

[Tysonbruno]

Reid turned down the rematch because he wanted more money than he was offered.

Is that a fact? i never heard that

Thats what Reid said in an interview

Well ok if thats what you read