If Calzaghe's record is so bad, whose is better?

[Hulk]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

[Tysonbruno]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Sheika had been beaten by Tony Booth puncher or not and Brewer was on lost twice to ottke he was a safe bet.And Atwun Echols had stopped Brewer in 3 like ICB said i forgot about that.

[Fenster]

Is that a fact? i never heard that

Thats what Reid said in an interview

Well ok if thats what you read

Here's the quote.

We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.

No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding.



Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

[DaxxKahn]

You contradict yourself a bit in this one Bilbo...

"If Calzaghe's record is so bad who's is better"

Yet you name at least 3 on the P4P list with better...

Should the title not be

"Calzghes record is better then many of the other P4P fighters"

There are a ton of guys off the P4P list with better resumes...

Calzaghe has a decent resume but it is scattered..he beat guy like Eubank but goes long streatches until he fights guys like Kessler

[ICB]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Omar Sheika a murderous puncher ? you are kidding right ? 18 KO's out of 27 wins is hardly a "murderous puncher"

28 KO's out of 40 wins for Charles Brewer how is he a murderous puncher aswell ? plus he had a weak chin.

[ICB]

Thats what Reid said in an interview

Well ok if thats what you read

Here's the quote.

We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.

No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding.



Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

I don't blame him what a shit offer that was indeed, what was Joe Calzaghe getting ?

[ICB]

So you think Calzaghe will win easy then?

What supermiddles would you like him to fight?

I think Joe Calzaghe has a very good chance of winning, im only going with RJJ because he is one of my favorite fighters. And he was one of my idols when i used to watch him as a young kid.

As for who Joe Calzaghe could fight, well if we are saying he wasn't gonna fight RJJ. I would like him to fight Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch. These fighters are all young in there prime. Or even Chad Dawson at LHW.

But these fights are too dangerous and i understand why he is fighting RJJ, because is a name and he will make tons of money out of it. But Joe Calzaghe should stop contradicting himself all the time.

He said he doesn't do rematches but he fought a ridiculous rematch with Mario Veit, but he didn't rematch Robin Reid who many people thought beat Joe Calzaghe. And he won't rematch B Hop by the looks of it either another fight with alot of question marks.

He also called RJJ an old hasbeen before the Felix Trinidad fight, so what has changed his mind about RJJ now ? because RJJ won 8 rounds to 4 against a fighter who hadn't fought since 2005, and was way above his weightclass ?

I take it you'll give Roy no credit for beating Calzaghe - should he win then? Considering all Calzages wins are questionable. Shame for Roy.

You want him to fight Taylor? He's coming off TWO losses to a Hopkins victim.

Bute? He Just was unbelievably LUCKY not to be KO'd by a Kessler victim.

Froch? a 31-year-old who's best win is a beyond ancient Robin Reid.

Yeah.. i'm sure you'd give Calzaghe credit for those fights. Behave

I meant wait until after those fights have finished Fenster to decide whos the best opponent. And yes i'll give Joe Calzaghe no credit what so ever for beating RJJ, please do tell me Fenster what RJJ has done to deserve a shot other than being a name for his past achievements ?

I would rather Joe Calzaghe fight young upcoming champions like Chad Dawson, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, they all appeal to me more.

[Fenster]

I think Joe Calzaghe has a very good chance of winning, im only going with RJJ because he is one of my favorite fighters. And he was one of my idols when i used to watch him as a young kid.

As for who Joe Calzaghe could fight, well if we are saying he wasn't gonna fight RJJ. I would like him to fight Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch. These fighters are all young in there prime. Or even Chad Dawson at LHW.

But these fights are too dangerous and i understand why he is fighting RJJ, because is a name and he will make tons of money out of it. But Joe Calzaghe should stop contradicting himself all the time.

He said he doesn't do rematches but he fought a ridiculous rematch with Mario Veit, but he didn't rematch Robin Reid who many people thought beat Joe Calzaghe. And he won't rematch B Hop by the looks of it either another fight with alot of question marks.

He also called RJJ an old hasbeen before the Felix Trinidad fight, so what has changed his mind about RJJ now ? because RJJ won 8 rounds to 4 against a fighter who hadn't fought since 2005, and was way above his weightclass ?

I take it you'll give Roy no credit for beating Calzaghe - should he win then? Considering all Calzages wins are questionable. Shame for Roy.

You want him to fight Taylor? He's coming off TWO losses to a Hopkins victim.

Bute? He Just was unbelievably LUCKY not to be KO'd by a Kessler victim.

Froch? a 31-year-old who's best win is a beyond ancient Robin Reid.

Yeah.. i'm sure you'd give Calzaghe credit for those fights. Behave

I meant wait after those fights have finished Fenster to decide whos the best opponent. And yes i'll give Joe Calzaghe no credit what so ever for beating RJJ, please do tell me Fenster what RJJ has done to deserve a shot other than being a name for his past achievements ?

Wait till they've finished? I just gave you the excuses you would use to class them under "questionable" wins.

I know you wont give Calzaghe any credit.

I meant Roy. If Roy beats Joe it means NOTHING, right?

[Fenster]

Well ok if thats what you read

Here's the quote.

We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.

No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding.



Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

I don't blame him what a shit offer that was indeed, what was Joe Calzaghe getting ?

How many fights have you promoted?

[Rantcatrat]

Bilbo I don't know how you say Cotto got badly beaten by Margarito. The first 6 rounds he took Margarito to school.

ALL of those guys have better resumes than Calzaghe's IMO bar Calderon.

I guess it depends on how you define "badly beaten." However, either way you cut it, Cotto was mauled by Margarito. You need to watch that fight again. Fast forward to the part when he kneels to Margarito...THREE times. Margarito made his face look unrecognizable. Cotto's boxing acumen was futile in the face of Margarito.

Calzaghe has a good resume, but as someone mentioned, you are comparing his resume to guys who are 10 years younger. Just the fact you are making the comparison should be indicative of something.

[ICB]

Here's the quote.

We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.

No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding.



Robin Reid; I beat Calzaghe in the 1st fight...; I would beat him in the 2nd!

I don't blame him what a shit offer that was indeed, what was Joe Calzaghe getting ?

How many fights have you promoted?

You don't need to be a promoter to see that was a shit offer, but maybe it wasn't depending on what Joe Calzaghe was getting. You got any articles regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting ?

[Rantcatrat]

So you think Calzaghe will win easy then?

What supermiddles would you like him to fight?

I think Joe Calzaghe has a very good chance of winning, im only going with RJJ because he is one of my favorite fighters. And he was one of my idols when i used to watch him as a young kid.

As for who Joe Calzaghe could fight, well if we are saying he wasn't gonna fight RJJ. I would like him to fight Jermain Taylor, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch. These fighters are all young in there prime. Or even Chad Dawson at LHW.

But these fights are too dangerous and i understand why he is fighting RJJ, because is a name and he will make tons of money out of it. But Joe Calzaghe should stop contradicting himself all the time.

He said he doesn't do rematches but he fought a ridiculous rematch with Mario Veit, but he didn't rematch Robin Reid who many people thought beat Joe Calzaghe. And he won't rematch B Hop by the looks of it either another fight with alot of question marks.

He also called RJJ an old hasbeen before the Felix Trinidad fight, so what has changed his mind about RJJ now ? because RJJ won 8 rounds to 4 against a fighter who hadn't fought since 2005, and was way above his weightclass ?

I take it you'll give Roy no credit for beating Calzaghe - should he win then? Considering all Calzages wins are questionable. Shame for Roy.

You want him to fight Taylor? He's coming off TWO losses to a Hopkins victim.

Bute? He Just was unbelievably LUCKY not to be KO'd by a Kessler victim.

Froch? a 31-year-old who's best win is a beyond ancient Robin Reid.

Yeah.. i'm sure you'd give Calzaghe credit for those fights. Behave

Calzaghe needs to dominate an accomplished guy in his prime. Like Kessler. But, he only has one Kessler on his resume. For example, if Calzaghe fought Chad Dawson right now, I think many doubters would come over to your side. In terms of risk/reward, the fight doesn't make sense for Calzaghe, but Dawson is in his prime. A win over a prime light heavyweight would solidify him in the books (if he isn't already).

And I ain't knocking him. He's a great. I am explaining the argument of the doubters.

[Andre]

Ok he beat Eubank as a young fighter but then what did he do he didn't take a risk till he fought Lacy.

I don't like Calzaghe much myself, and Jones is gonna light his ass up, but I will say that he took on Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, and Charles Brewer.

Those three were risks, specially since Sheika and Brewer were murderous punchers.

Omar Sheika a murderous puncher ? you are kidding right ? 18 KO's out of 27 wins is hardly a "murderous puncher"

28 KO's out of 40 wins for Charles Brewer how is he a murderous puncher aswell ? plus he had a weak chin.

Murderous is a bit of a stretch of launguage, but i can still see his point on them being a real risk.

[gudnite vienna]

well said fenster... if Calzaghe fought any of them three montioned he would take a hammering on here, none of them are even remotely worthy...

The only fights for calzaghe now are RJJ, rematch Hopkins, and BCD...

[Fenster]

I don't blame him what a shit offer that was indeed, what was Joe Calzaghe getting ?

How many fights have you promoted?

You don't need to be a promoter to see that was a shit offer, but maybe it wasn't depending on what Joe Calzaghe was getting. You got any articles regarding what Joe Calzaghe was getting ?

Dont embarrass yourself.

You don't know NOTHING about making fights or the worth of that offer. Proved by - you're asking for Calzaghe's cut yet claiming Reid's is SHIT.

From that link - just accept that the rematch was offered. Money makes fights. Reid didn't like the money so declined. Simple as that.