Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

[Saddo]

Well i guess i'm a fan boy

i think its great what Joe has achived throughout his career.. i picked Lacy to beat him and thought he put on a master class.

I have slated Joe in the past for some of the fights he has taken, Manfredo i was on his case bigtime because i feel he can do far better than that. and to me now he has.

still not seen this fight yet had a really busy weekend but am gonna soon.

i doubt he will retire but prob should as he aint getting any younger and will never get the credit he deserves from people who just don't like him.

but from me WELL DONE JOE... great fighter, great legacy IMO

[ICB]

You're making no sense.

YOU picked Roy.. not me. Why do I have to justify Roy's shot at Calzaghe? I thought Calzaghe would win. I was right. Whether i thought Roy was past his best or not is irrelevant.

The question you need to answer is - for yourself not for me - WHY did you BELIEVE a "shot" fighter would beat Calzaghe?

You love to point out how good or crap certain fighters are yet you picked a "shot" fighter to beat Calzaghe.

If you find the answer to that you'll understand why you are making threads denigrating people for giving Calzaghe credit for beating a legend.

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

[No Contest]

You know how every boxer says "that wasnt me" after a loss? That wasnt RJJ, it was his twin slower brother.

[ICB]

You know how every boxer says "that wasnt me" after a loss? That wasnt RJJ, it was his twin slower brother.

Your damn right i watched a prime RJJ yesterday, it looked like a completely different fighter.

[Fenster]

Uhh have you not read what i said ? i said i was rooting for RJJ but i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite, just like when i rooted for MAB against Manny Pacquiao i had Manny Pacquiao as the favorite.

Rooting for a fighter because there one of your favorites, then saying you have the other fighter as the favorite, is hardly picking RJJ is it ?

And stop avoiding the question this is 4 times now you have avoided it, what has Roy Jones done in the past few years. That should warrant me giving Joe Calzaghe alot of praise for beating RJJ ?

Forgetting past achievements because thats nothing to do with it, were talking the last few years. After the brutal loss to Glen Johnson, what performance from RJJ. Or what good name has RJJ beat that warranted him deserving a shot against Joe Calzaghe. Or warrants me giving Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ, based on the last few years ?

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

[ICB]

Blimey, i think you've confused yourself.

Lets make it simple..

Did you pick Roy or Joe to win this fight?

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

Yes i did know RJJ was shot and heres the proof.

"RJJ isn't even in the top 20 P4P his last good performance was against John Ruiz back in 2003. And his last stoppage win was against Clinton woods in 2002. And everyone was saying RJJ should retire, so why now should Joe Calzaghe get credit for beating a fighter.

Who in his comeback fights lost 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight Felix Trinidad who hadn't fought since 2005, also scrapped through a decision win over the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? answer me that."

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...se-haters.html

I basically said what i have said in this thread, and yet again how many times do i have to ask you this before i get an answer ? you praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ, yet you can't give me any legit reasons why ? and you can't give me any legit reasons why RJJ deserved the fight ?

[Kev]

This was a Tyson-Holmes type situation, and I agree that this wasnt a career defining win. A good win but not great. If it was a decade ago it would have been a great win.

Some would argue that Larry Holmes WAS Tyson's biggest win.

Apart from the light heavyweight Michael Spinks who did he beat who was better than even an old and past it Larry Holmes?

[Fenster]

I was rooting for RJJ but i thought Joe Calzaghe would win the fight, hence why i had Joe Calzaghe as the favorite.

And answer my question above this is the 5th time you have avoided the question. It sounds like you have no real legit arguement, why i should praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ.

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

Yes i did know RJJ was shot and heres the proof.

"RJJ isn't even in the top 20 P4P his last good performance was against John Ruiz back in 2003. And his last stoppage win was against Clinton woods in 2002. And everyone was saying RJJ should retire, so why now should Joe Calzaghe get credit for beating a fighter.

Who in his comeback fights lost 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight Felix Trinidad who hadn't fought since 2005, also scrapped through a decision win over the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? answer me that."

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...se-haters.html

I basically said what i have in this thread, and yet again how many times do i have to ask you this before i get an answer ? you praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ, yet you can't give me any legit reasons why ? and you can't give me any legit reasons why RJJ deserved the fight ?

I just answered your question. What's your problem man?

If you thought Roy was "shot" then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

When have I praised Calzaghe for beating Roy? I knew Calzaghe would thrash him.

[ICB]

I'm not avoiding any question. If you knew Calzaghe would win and it was such a shit match then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

Only a moronic hypocrite would pick a "shot" Roy to beat Calzaghe then say Calzaghe's win means nothing because Roy was SHOT!!! Get it?

This obviously doesn't apply to you as you've said you knew Roy was "shot."

But why are you currently called leftylee number 1 groupie

Yes i did know RJJ was shot and heres the proof.

"RJJ isn't even in the top 20 P4P his last good performance was against John Ruiz back in 2003. And his last stoppage win was against Clinton woods in 2002. And everyone was saying RJJ should retire, so why now should Joe Calzaghe get credit for beating a fighter.

Who in his comeback fights lost 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight Felix Trinidad who hadn't fought since 2005, also scrapped through a decision win over the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? answer me that."

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...se-haters.html

I basically said what i have in this thread, and yet again how many times do i have to ask you this before i get an answer ? you praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ, yet you can't give me any legit reasons why ? and you can't give me any legit reasons why RJJ deserved the fight ?

I just answered your question. What's your problem man?

If you thought Roy was "shot" then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

When have I praised Calzaghe for beating Roy? I knew Calzaghe would thrash him.

Your comment earlier on.

"Calzaghe deserves credit"

You keep skirting over the issue and so do many Joe Calzaghe fans. Im not having a pop at you or any Joe Calzaghe fans, its just i've see many people saying Joe Calzaghe deserves credit. I ask them why should i give him any real credit ? i listed my reasons above why i don't.

[Dark Lord Al]

Calzaghe won and won big , but even Calzaghe himself knew Jones was shot , i mean he had been KOED twice before , yes any win is a win , but anyone who thinks this has an more relevance than say , Hector Comacho KOING Ray Leonard ,is wrong.
I mean his result wasnt even as convincing as Tarver or Johnson .

Credit for winning yes ,
Jones shot yes.

[Fenster]

Yes i did know RJJ was shot and heres the proof.

"RJJ isn't even in the top 20 P4P his last good performance was against John Ruiz back in 2003. And his last stoppage win was against Clinton woods in 2002. And everyone was saying RJJ should retire, so why now should Joe Calzaghe get credit for beating a fighter.

Who in his comeback fights lost 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight Felix Trinidad who hadn't fought since 2005, also scrapped through a decision win over the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? answer me that."

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...se-haters.html

I basically said what i have in this thread, and yet again how many times do i have to ask you this before i get an answer ? you praise Joe Calzaghe for beating RJJ, yet you can't give me any legit reasons why ? and you can't give me any legit reasons why RJJ deserved the fight ?

I just answered your question. What's your problem man?

If you thought Roy was "shot" then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

When have I praised Calzaghe for beating Roy? I knew Calzaghe would thrash him.

Your comment earlier on.

"Calzaghe deserves credit"

You keep skirting over the issue and so do many Joe Calzaghe fans. Im not having a pop at you or any Joe Calzaghe fans, its just i've see many people saying Joe Calzaghe deserves credit. I ask them why should i give him any real credit ? i listed my reasons above why i don't.

You forgot the rest of my sentence

because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

[ICB]

I just answered your question. What's your problem man?

If you thought Roy was "shot" then I don't expect you to praise Calzaghe.

When have I praised Calzaghe for beating Roy? I knew Calzaghe would thrash him.

Your comment earlier on.

"Calzaghe deserves credit"

You keep skirting over the issue and so do many Joe Calzaghe fans. Im not having a pop at you or any Joe Calzaghe fans, its just i've see many people saying Joe Calzaghe deserves credit. I ask them why should i give him any real credit ? i listed my reasons above why i don't.

You forgot the rest of my sentence

because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

Yes but why do you give him credit Fenster

Thats other peoples opinions what about yours.

Jeez i need a cup of tea this is doing my head in mate

[Fenster]

Your comment earlier on.

"Calzaghe deserves credit"

You keep skirting over the issue and so do many Joe Calzaghe fans. Im not having a pop at you or any Joe Calzaghe fans, its just i've see many people saying Joe Calzaghe deserves credit. I ask them why should i give him any real credit ? i listed my reasons above why i don't.

You forgot the rest of my sentence

because PLENTY of people picked him to lose. Including PLENTY of "EXPERTS."

Yes but why do you give him credit Fenster

Thats other peoples opinions what about yours.

Jeez i need a cup of tea this is doing my head in mate

I never said i gave him credit... but i'll entertain you if you really want..

So my opinion is - Calzaghe bashed the shit out of a past his best legend EXACTLY how he should have.

Judging by the amount of so called "experts" that thought Roy would win it would be very unfair to give Calzaghe NO credit.

At the very least his showboating was quite impressive, no? Who else could have showbaoted Roy like that?

[Conrad]

Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased. I'll copy and paste what i said in the other thread which is a fair comment IMO.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

Oh man, this is becoming tiresome.

The irony of this thread is that you're complaining about the very thing that you yourself are doing.

This thread, the Robin Reid thread and the 'disgraceful' thread all point to you being a hater. A hater is the exact same thing as a fanboy, letting your heart rule your head.

Members here, members on other boards, pro boxers, trainers and a lot of writers were picking RJJ to win. As Fenster rightly points out, if these people were still predicting the RJJ win then how can Joe's victory be worthless?

[ICB]

Is just being a fan boy IMO and totally being biased. I'll copy and paste what i said in the other thread which is a fair comment IMO.

Well im not a Joe Calzaghe hater but if you give Joe Calzaghe any real credit. For beating RJJ i think your seriously being biased, RJJ last stoppage win was in 2002 against Clinton Woods, and in his last comeback fights he didn't show stamina or a killer instinct. And he only showed flashes of his old self, "flashes" being the key word here.

Give him credit for beating Chris Eubank although he was weight drained which does take away from Joe Calzaghe's win somewhat. It was still a good performance and Chris Eubank still had quite alot left in the tank, which showed in his great performance's against Carl Thompson.

Give him credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, who was the number 2 man in the division at that time. Who was a very dangerous opponent who has very good skills, and can punch.

Give him credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, although disputable Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank. Which showed against Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik.

But i will give him no credit for beating a shot RJJ, or beating the overhyped Jeff Lacy. Who was struggling against mediocre opposition even before he got embarrassed against Joe Calzaghe.

Oh man, this is becoming tiresome.

The irony of this thread is that you're complaining about the very thing that you yourself are doing.

This thread, the Robin Reid thread and the 'disgraceful' thread all point to you being a hater. A hater is the exact same thing as a fanboy, letting your heart rule your head.

Members here, members on other boards, pro boxers, trainers and a lot of writers were picking RJJ to win. As Fenster rightly points out, if these people were still predicting the RJJ win then how can Joe's victory be worthless?

All im doing is voicing my opinion what exactly have i done wrong ? i said before the fight i would give Joe Calzaghe no credit for beating a fighter 7 years past his prime and i didn't.

I gave Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Chris Eubank. But how exactly can you give Joe Calzaghe credit for beating RJJ based on the last few years ?

You call me a hater yet you still haven't proved me wrong, and all you did in that post is skirt over the issue and once again use an argument based on other peoples opinions.

What about your opinion ? IMO i don't think Joe Calzaghe deserves any real credit for beating RJJ, RJJ hasn't been impressive in any of his fights since moving back down in weight.

Especially in his comeback fights he showed no killer instinct, when he had Anthony Hanshaw, Felix Trinidad. In huge trouble the fact that RJJ hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002 speaks volumes.