Mumbai

[Trainer Monkey]

I heard on the TV once that those suicide bombers were caught smiling on the video just before they blew themselves up. There must be something wrong there, right? I mean their beliefs. It's real hard to argue against someone's faith, particularly when it's almost absolute, rightly or wrongly. They just need re-education, just as the American's re-educated the Japanese after the war. (Some might argue they were 'brain-washed,' but it doesn't matter as long as it stops them from killling themselves trying to kill others.)

Your right most of them dont know any different been brain washed since they were kids.
Some though, Hate the white races anyway and blame us for everything,which is as powerful as anything they have learned.

I think it allows quite a dark energy to run amuk in their mind and hearts, because it grows ,their numbers grow and so does the hatred,it feeds on itself.

Interesting that the most interesting thing on my TV right now,is the Secret History Of The Klu Klux Klan
Idiocy knows no racial boundary

[Gandalf]

I heard on the TV once that those suicide bombers were caught smiling on the video just before they blew themselves up. There must be something wrong there, right? I mean their beliefs. It's real hard to argue against someone's faith, particularly when it's almost absolute, rightly or wrongly. They just need re-education, just as the American's re-educated the Japanese after the war. (Some might argue they were 'brain-washed,' but it doesn't matter as long as it stops them from killling themselves trying to kill others.)

Your right most of them dont know any different been brain washed since they were kids.
Some though, Hate the white races anyway and blame us for everything,which is as powerful as anything they have learned.

I think it allows quite a dark energy to run amuk in their mind and hearts, because it grows ,their numbers grow and so does the hatred,it feeds on itself.

Interesting that the most interesting thing on my TV right now,is the Secret History Of The Klu Klux Klan
Idiocy knows know racial boundary

Well said. Idiots are everywhere.

[Trainer Monkey]

Your right most of them dont know any different been brain washed since they were kids.
Some though, Hate the white races anyway and blame us for everything,which is as powerful as anything they have learned.

I think it allows quite a dark energy to run amuk in their mind and hearts, because it grows ,their numbers grow and so does the hatred,it feeds on itself.

Interesting that the most interesting thing on my TV right now,is the Secret History Of The Klu Klux Klan
Idiocy knows know racial boundary

Well said. Idiots are everywhere.

And to prove what an idiot I am,I said know rather then no

[CGM]

So what's the frigging deal? In order to criticize one side, you must first criticize the other. You must agree that all sides are equally to blame, or your own side is worse, because some twisted logic says this must be so? How fucking noble.

[Gandalf]

Interesting that the most interesting thing on my TV right now,is the Secret History Of The Klu Klux Klan
Idiocy knows know racial boundary

Well said. Idiots are everywhere.

And to prove what an idiot I am,I said know rather then no

I dont recall calling you an idiot.

I was agreeing with you.

[Trainer Monkey]

So what's the frigging deal? In order to criticize one side, you must first criticize the other. You must agree that all sides are equally to blame, or your own side is worse, because some twisted logic says this must be so? How fucking noble.

No,its an understanding that idiots exist everywhere.
If you make it " them and us" you create a feeling of the undermensch.
You know,like Hitler
Now if you make it,what a bunch of morons,you have a path to seeing why their acting like morons.
And maybe finding a way to correct what you consider abhorrent behavior.
But as long as its just "all of those people" your at an impasse.
Nobility doesnt enter in to it,self preservation does.
If you dont understand the Klan, you cant combat it,if you dont understand the motives of the mujahadeen you cant combat that either.
But if you try to make it,white Christians dont do that only towel headed arabs do, your fooling only yourself.
Think man,whats got them so pissed off that theyd risk theyre own life?
They have kids,houses,a life,why are they so ticked off that theyd give all of that up to inflict damage upon others?
Thats your start to fixing the problem

[Trainer Monkey]

Well said. Idiots are everywhere.

And to prove what an idiot I am,I said know rather then no

I dont recall calling you an idiot.

I was agreeing with you.

No you didnt,I re-read what I wrote,and was calling myself an idiot for using the wrong use of the word no

[Gandalf]

And to prove what an idiot I am,I said know rather then no

I dont recall calling you an idiot.

I was agreeing with you.

No you didnt,I re-read what I wrote,and was calling myself an idiot for using the wrong use of the word no

Too confusing.

[CGM]

So what's the frigging deal? In order to criticize one side, you must first criticize the other. You must agree that all sides are equally to blame, or your own side is worse, because some twisted logic says this must be so? How fucking noble.

No,its an understanding that idiots exist everywhere.
If you make it " them and us" you create a feeling of the undermensch.
You know,like Hitler
Now if you make it,what a bunch of morons,you have a path to seeing why their acting like morons.
And maybe finding a way to correct what you consider abhorrent behavior.
But as long as its just "all of those people" your at an impasse.
Nobility doesnt enter in to it,self preservation does.
If you dont understand the Klan, you cant combat it,if you dont understand the motives of the mujahadeen you cant combat that either.
But if you try to make it,white Christians dont do that only towel headed arabs do, your fooling only yourself.
Think man,whats got them so pissed off that theyd risk theyre own life?
They have kids,houses,a life,why are they so ticked off that theyd give all of that up to inflict damage upon others?
Thats your start to fixing the problem

OK dude, the fact of the matter is, not everybody is doing it. That's a FACT!!!! IF you would deny that, then you are only deluding yourself. Go ahead and talk about catholic schoolchildren or one or two nutbars bombing abortion clinics. If you really think it's the same, then you go ahead and delude yourself. Guess what dude. You are a target. Is the best you can say is some platitude like we deserve it? Or we're no better? Or we need to clean up our own house first? You go ahead and believe that if you want, but the differences are so obvious.

p.s. please try to come back with something other than idiots are everywhere.

[Trainer Monkey]

So what's the frigging deal? In order to criticize one side, you must first criticize the other. You must agree that all sides are equally to blame, or your own side is worse, because some twisted logic says this must be so? How fucking noble.

No,its an understanding that idiots exist everywhere.
If you make it " them and us" you create a feeling of the undermensch.
You know,like Hitler
Now if you make it,what a bunch of morons,you have a path to seeing why their acting like morons.
And maybe finding a way to correct what you consider abhorrent behavior.
But as long as its just "all of those people" your at an impasse.
Nobility doesnt enter in to it,self preservation does.
If you dont understand the Klan, you cant combat it,if you dont understand the motives of the mujahadeen you cant combat that either.
But if you try to make it,white Christians dont do that only towel headed arabs do, your fooling only yourself.
Think man,whats got them so pissed off that theyd risk theyre own life?
They have kids,houses,a life,why are they so ticked off that theyd give all of that up to inflict damage upon others?
Thats your start to fixing the problem

OK dude, the fact of the matter is, not everybody is doing it. That's a FACT!!!! IF you would deny that, then you are only deluding yourself. Go ahead and talk about catholic schoolchildren or one or two nutbars bombing abortion clinics. If you really think it's the same, then you go ahead and delude yourself. Guess what dude. You are a target. Is the best you can say is some platitude like we deserve it? Or we're no better? Or we need to clean up our own house first? You go ahead and believe that if you want, but the differences are so obvious.

p.s. please try to come back with something other than idiots are everywhere.

Not me man,Im an Agnostic/Buddhist
No target on my back at all
Unless the Chinese get some designs on WV,Im free and clear from the whole mess.
And the whole thing that would make it funny if it wasnt for the body count, its all the same religion ya'all are squabbling about.
The Jews claim the saviour hasnt come yet
The Christians say,yes he has,and Jesus is him
And the Muslims say, he hasnt come yet,but Muhammed and Jesus were prophets of his coming
But they all claim ties to Abraham.
There you go, thousands of years of brutality and bloodshed over a minor religious schism,of course this shouldnt come as a suprise to our british isles friends, theyve been blowing the snot out of each other in Ireland for years over an even smaller schism.

[CGM]

No,its an understanding that idiots exist everywhere.
If you make it " them and us" you create a feeling of the undermensch.
You know,like Hitler
Now if you make it,what a bunch of morons,you have a path to seeing why their acting like morons.
And maybe finding a way to correct what you consider abhorrent behavior.
But as long as its just "all of those people" your at an impasse.
Nobility doesnt enter in to it,self preservation does.
If you dont understand the Klan, you cant combat it,if you dont understand the motives of the mujahadeen you cant combat that either.
But if you try to make it,white Christians dont do that only towel headed arabs do, your fooling only yourself.
Think man,whats got them so pissed off that theyd risk theyre own life?
They have kids,houses,a life,why are they so ticked off that theyd give all of that up to inflict damage upon others?
Thats your start to fixing the problem

OK dude, the fact of the matter is, not everybody is doing it. That's a FACT!!!! IF you would deny that, then you are only deluding yourself. Go ahead and talk about catholic schoolchildren or one or two nutbars bombing abortion clinics. If you really think it's the same, then you go ahead and delude yourself. Guess what dude. You are a target. Is the best you can say is some platitude like we deserve it? Or we're no better? Or we need to clean up our own house first? You go ahead and believe that if you want, but the differences are so obvious.

p.s. please try to come back with something other than idiots are everywhere.

Not me man,Im an Agnostic/Buddhist
No target on my back at all
Unless the Chinese get some designs on WV,Im free and clear from the whole mess.
And the whole thing that would make it funny if it wasnt for the body count, its all the same religion ya'all are squabbling about.
The Jews claim the saviour hasnt come yet
The Christians say,yes he has,and Jesus is him
And the Muslims say, he hasnt come yet,but Muhammed and Jesus were prophets of his coming
But they all claim ties to Abraham.
There you go, thousands of years of brutality and bloodshed over a minor religious schism,of course this shouldnt come as a suprise to our british isles friends, theyve been blowing the snot out of each other in Ireland for years over an even smaller schism.

Huh? You're kidding right? Do you consider yourself any less of a target than the guy waiting on tables at the top of the WTC restaurant? At best you're out of the line of fire.

I don't think the British/Ireland think is about religion any more as much as it is about national identity. However, some of our learned British friends may differ, so I'm prepared to stand corrected there.

[Trainer Monkey]

OK dude, the fact of the matter is, not everybody is doing it. That's a FACT!!!! IF you would deny that, then you are only deluding yourself. Go ahead and talk about catholic schoolchildren or one or two nutbars bombing abortion clinics. If you really think it's the same, then you go ahead and delude yourself. Guess what dude. You are a target. Is the best you can say is some platitude like we deserve it? Or we're no better? Or we need to clean up our own house first? You go ahead and believe that if you want, but the differences are so obvious.

p.s. please try to come back with something other than idiots are everywhere.

Not me man,Im an Agnostic/Buddhist
No target on my back at all
Unless the Chinese get some designs on WV,Im free and clear from the whole mess.
And the whole thing that would make it funny if it wasnt for the body count, its all the same religion ya'all are squabbling about.
The Jews claim the saviour hasnt come yet
The Christians say,yes he has,and Jesus is him
And the Muslims say, he hasnt come yet,but Muhammed and Jesus were prophets of his coming
But they all claim ties to Abraham.
There you go, thousands of years of brutality and bloodshed over a minor religious schism,of course this shouldnt come as a suprise to our british isles friends, theyve been blowing the snot out of each other in Ireland for years over an even smaller schism.

Huh? You're kidding right? Do you consider yourself any less of a target than the guy waiting on tables at the top of the WTC restaurant? At best you're out of the line of fire.

I don't think the British/Ireland think is about religion any more as much as it is about national identity. However, some of our learned British friends may differ, so I'm prepared to stand corrected there.

Protestant vs Catholic
Seems pretty cut and dried to me
And please dont feed me the World Trade Center crap,I used to live in NYc,after the planes hit,I immediatly volunteered when I heard they were looking for cavers to search the ruins,and drove supplies to NYC. And if I had hailed a cab,that driver would probably have been Pakistani,making him a Muslim. But somehow I doubt he would have blown the fair by blowing the cab up.
What, Im supposed to hide under my covers and quiver in fear because a mainly non-violent religion has a few lunatics claiming to talk for god? Hell Id best never go to the South Eastern US as well,because we have alot of them down here,and they own alot of guns.
And Al-queda was so bloody well organized, that from what we've gotten out of enemy combatants, they didnt realize it would take the buildings down. They thought they were going to get something a bit bigger then the 93 bombings.
Great, Im supposed to spend the rest of my life afraid of the Muslim equivlant of Maxwell Smart
I think I'll take a pass
Its been more then shown to you there are plenty of Christian terrorists,and I refuse to spend my life afraid of the Aryan Nations as well,and considering my religous beliefs,Im WAY more of a target for them,then I am for any Muslims

[CGM]

Sigh, these discussions go on forever.

We'll pu aside the England/Northern Ireland thing. If you don't want to recognize the nationalistic aspects of that dispute, then there is enough other stuff to waste our breath on.

Ok so call the WTC and AlQuaida crap if you want. Dismiss them as a few lunatics if you want, that is not at all helpful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but WTC attack was directed at the US, not Christianity. And there is likely more of that to come. No one is asking you to crawl under the covers, just to recognize a few basic truths about your enemy. And you don't have to take my word for all this stuff, you can check with your own Department of Homeland Security, unless you think they are crap too?

TM, do you seriously honestly believe that the United States, and therefore you as a citizen, have as much to fear from white supremacists as you do from Al Quaida and others of their ilk? Give this question some serious thought, then answer directly.

Guess what, as your ally, we up here are also putiing ourselves at a certain amount of risk.

One more thing and I repeat for perhaps the 10th time: I never denied the existence of Christian Terrorists, got it? You can stop trying to rebut my points by telling me that they exist.

Again just recognize a few basic truths about your enemy.

[Trainer Monkey]

Sigh, these discussions go on forever.

We'll pu aside the England/Northern Ireland thing. If you don't want to recognize the nationalistic aspects of that dispute, then there is enough other stuff to waste our breath on.

Ok so call the WTC and AlQuaida crap if you want. Dismiss them as a few lunatics if you want, that is not at all helpful.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but WTC attack was directed at the US, not Christianity. And there is likely more of that to come. No one is asking you to crawl under the covers, just to recognize a few basic truths about your enemy. And you don't have to take my word for all this stuff, you can check with your own Department of Homeland Security, unless you think they are crap too?

TM, do you seriously honestly believe that the United States, and therefore you as a citizen, have as much to fear from white supremacists as you do from Al Quaida and others of their ilk? Give this question some serious thought, then answer directly.

Guess what, as your ally, we up here are also putiing ourselves at a certain amount of risk.

One more thing and I repeat for perhaps the 10th time: I never denied the existence of Christian Terrorists, got it? You can stop trying to rebut my points by telling me that they exist.

Again just recognize a few basic truths about your enemy.

Ahhh,aside from the unnecessary bold text your getting to the crux of the matter.
We have screwed with these people for their entire lives,and now they want a little payback.
It doesnt have thing to do with religion,it has alot to do with bad policy that involved bombs on our part.
We've bombed the snot out of these people,disrespected their customs, and propped up one dictator after another.
Who did you think they were going to blame for it,the Easter Bunny?
As ye reap,so shall ye sow
We've done alot of reaping over there in the last 50 years.

[Trainer Monkey]

And yes,as a mixed race buddhist living in a rural area I have MORE to fear from Aryan Nations then I do from Al-Queda
If my house gets fire bombed,and I start laying odds,Aryan Nations are a prohibitive favorite over Al-Queda