Did Oscar maybe aim for speed??

[BlackRazor]

I was surprised he weighed what he did on fight night, that was a bit amiss. Oscar was crap left, right and centre. He didnt even know how to use his leverage and jab. He was beyond atrocious and to be honest I have never seen a "top" fighter get so taken apart.

There was certainly no speed there.

Exactly, NOBODY made Oscar look even close to that bad before. Some of it was Manny to be sure but how many guys would have looked good/great against the Oscar we saw last Sat. night?

[pacfan]

Weight problem is pretty easy to detect. If a fighter dehydrates himself for the weigh-in, he would naturally have to re-hydrate himself about 7 or more pounds by the time of the fight. So a dehydrated fighter would have gained at least 7lbs after the weigh-in. Good examples are Morales who went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in about 150lb for the fights, and pac himself in his last couple fights for 130lbs; he went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in near 150lbs for the fight - that explains why he decided to go up two weight classes for good just in a year. Oscar gained only 2lbs and as his trainer strongly emphasized, there was absolutely no weight issue in that fight. Maybe it was just a plain old aging mechanism at work or something else. No doubt he looked like an old man.

[:::PSL:::]

Weight problem is pretty easy to detect. If a fighter dehydrates himself for the weigh-in, he would naturally have to re-hydrate himself about 7 or more pounds by the time of the fight. So a dehydrated fighter would have gained at least 7lbs after the weigh-in. Good examples are Morales who went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in about 150lb for the fights, and pac himself in his last couple fights for 130lbs; he went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in near 150lbs for the fight - that explains why he decided to go up two weight classes for good just in a year. Oscar gained only 2lbs and as his trainer strongly emphasized, there was absolutely no weight issue in that fight. Maybe it was just a plain old aging mechanism at work or something else. No doubt he looked like an old man.

Oscar's stomach shrunk that's why he only gained 2 lbs.

And he was blocking Pac's left hand with his face. Almost kinda like protecting his right hand with face.

[Ky7le]

Weight problem is pretty easy to detect. If a fighter dehydrates himself for the weigh-in, he would naturally have to re-hydrate himself about 7 or more pounds by the time of the fight. So a dehydrated fighter would have gained at least 7lbs after the weigh-in. Good examples are Morales who went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in about 150lb for the fights, and pac himself in his last couple fights for 130lbs; he went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in near 150lbs for the fight - that explains why he decided to go up two weight classes for good just in a year. Oscar gained only 2lbs and as his trainer strongly emphasized, there was absolutely no weight issue in that fight. Maybe it was just a plain old aging mechanism at work or something else. No doubt he looked like an old man.

Oscar's stomach shrunk that's why he only gained 2 lbs.

His trainers said they had him at weight weeks before the fight. I don't think that they were that low, but they were close. That is why he didn't put on weight. Most fighters don't get down to fighting weight till right before the fight, but with a $3mil penalty for every pound he was over Oscar couldn't afford to do this. He HAD to make 147. He only put on 2 lbs. because he only cut 4-5lbs. He was 149-150 the day before the weigh in.

[Andre]

I know pac v dlh discussion has almost been beaten to death,,,, but just wondering anyone's thoughts on why DLH weighed so little on fight night??

I think there are 3 possible explanations for Oscar's weight:

1. He wanted to be as fast as possible, and he thought the best way to do that was to be as light as possible
2. His body reacted adversely to the process of draining down to 147, and caused him problems when he attempted to rehydrate (this was Roach's theory)
3. There had been so much talk about this fight being a mismatch, that Oscar wanted to prove he was the better man, not just a bigger man. He intentionally came in light because he wanted to be able to say, "Look, he actually outweighed me in the ring, and I still beat him."

I could believe any of those 3. If it's #2, then I can't blame Oscar. If it's #1 or #3, then he made a stupid decision and he has no one to blame but himself.

Intention I'd say a bit of both 1 and 3 thinking if its even then experience will overcome whats left in the age gap with added speed and reactions;

Got caught out by No 2, not to take anything away from Mannys, strength speed and skill, all of it killed off 1 and three.

[ono]

Just rewatching Pac v DLH, as cringeworthy as it is.... There is one spot where the commentators say "Why did so many ringside experts think it wasn't even a credible fight?" This is around the 3rd round when it is clear Manny is dominating, the complete opposite to what experts thought..

Emmanual Stewart replies "Because I thought he would come into the fight at about 160 pounds" obviously making the weight and size difference HUGE... But I mean, by the unofficial weighins on the night of the fight, DLH had barely put on 2 or 3 pounds since the weigh in.. Where even THERE he weighed less that most expected..


Do you think that maybe he thought that Pac's speed might be to much for him if he was a lot heavier, and maybe some sort of decision was made to not put on much more weight, to possibly assist speed??

I mean, DLH looked slow and lazy and nothing popped or snapped for him all night, so it did not help at all.... But you would have thought the only chance he would have WAS to go back up to at least 155 for the fight...

Obviously weighing the same weight as Manny at the fight, the 1to2 inch size differences weren't going to mean shit when you match up a prime ferocious fighter, against someone who's aging as DLH has been....


I know pac v dlh discussion has almost been beaten to death,,,, but just wondering anyone's thoughts on why DLH weighed so little on fight night??

They just messed up with the weight i think. 2lbs between the weigh in and fight night suggests that he hasn't re-hydrated properly nor has he stocked up on glycogen, to give him the energy to fight. Maybe he was ill.

I don't think his team are stupid enough to think that being 'lighter' is the only factor affecting speed. Going by that analogy Usain Bolt would also go into his races 10lbs lighter - thus making him faster than a greyhound.

[ono]

Weight problem is pretty easy to detect. If a fighter dehydrates himself for the weigh-in, he would naturally have to re-hydrate himself about 7 or more pounds by the time of the fight. So a dehydrated fighter would have gained at least 7lbs after the weigh-in. Good examples are Morales who went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in about 150lb for the fights, and pac himself in his last couple fights for 130lbs; he went 130lbs for the weigh-in and came in near 150lbs for the fight - that explains why he decided to go up two weight classes for good just in a year. Oscar gained only 2lbs and as his trainer strongly emphasized, there was absolutely no weight issue in that fight. Maybe it was just a plain old aging mechanism at work or something else. No doubt he looked like an old man.

Oscar's stomach shrunk that's why he only gained 2 lbs.

His trainers said they had him at weight weeks before the fight. I don't think that they were that low, but they were close. That is why he didn't put on weight. Most fighters don't get down to fighting weight till right before the fight, but with a $3mil penalty for every pound he was over Oscar couldn't afford to do this. He HAD to make 147. He only put on 2 lbs. because he only cut 4-5lbs. He was 149-150 the day before the weigh in.

On 24/7 he weighed in at 155lbs before a sparring session and that was apparently only 2 weeks out. Either way, they fucked up big time.

[Chino]

As I have said in other thread, people are underrating Pacquaio's skills coz he's an awkward fighter.

People also seem to forget that ODLH is old, worned out, passed his prime, drained, has nothing left, etc. EVEN PAC AND HIS TEAM ACKNOWLEDGED THIS.

Diaz underrated him

Why even big Diaz to the picture? David who? In that case then Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov or Fahsan Battery also underrated him. I am surprised people mention David Diaz as one of Pac's greatest achievements. I just don't get it.

I have never seen a "top" fighter get so taken apart.

I have: Ali vs Bebick, Leonard vs Norris or Camacho, Chavez vs ODLH, Tyson vs McBride, etc. It's not so much that a great boxer beat them but more about staying in the ring longer than they should. A young prospect can take advantage of those opportunities. A great opportunity for a big check and to add a big name in the resume.