How Did Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito Win FOTY ?

[ICB]

I think Cotto Margarito is absolutely the right choice. It was by far the most significant fight of 2008, the unstoppable Cotto on his way to superstardom and claiming the undisputed welterweight crown was brutally and stunningly knocked out by the iron chinned Tornado Antonio Margarito.

It's a fight that will be remembered for years to come.

The others fights mentioned, well the Arce and Mtagwa fights simply arn't significant at all in the scale of things. The results have no real impact on the boxing world, none of the fighters involved were elite and the fights havn't created any shockwaves through the boxing world.

The Vazquez Marquez fight was brilliant, but it was the third in a trilogy and they won fight of the year last year so fair enough that Cotto and Margarito share the honour for 08. It was a memorable, ultra exciting, hard fought, intense battle between two of the world's finest and ended in dramatic fashion, deserving of all the plaudit's it gets imo.

(Can't believe I'm gonna post this...)

Quite possibly one of your better posts since the one from March of last year.
Well done Bilbs keep up the good work.
I really do agree with what you said.

I would have liked Rafa-Izzy III cause I was there ringside but I've got no problems with Cotto-Tony afterall it was a brilliant fight and one that had just as much action and drama as the rest.

I disagree Israel Vasquez was down in the 4th round, then needed a big 12th round to save the fight. He come out in the 12th round and battered Rafael Marquez.

And we was all wondering if Rafael Marquez could stand up, and in the last few seconds he goes down with only the ropes holding him up. It was one of the best fights i've seen in years.

The skill level was higher in the Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 fight, it was more dramatic. More action and much more 2 way action. After the 6th round it was all mostly Antonio Margarito.

You could see Miguel Cotto was badly wearing out, and after the 10th i knew Miguel Cotto would get stopped, i watched both fights live and Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 for certain had a much more special feeling to me.

Bilbo says Antonio Margarito/Miguel Cotto was a fight between the two best fighters in there division, but so was Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez. And they were also both high in the top 10 P4P rankings. Where as Antonio Margarito wasn't nowhere near the top 10 P4P rankings.

So it for certain felt more special to me and and more significant, i know its easy with hindsight but really and truthfully in the later rounds. It was all really Antonio Margarito, and you could sense Miguel Cotto was going to get stopped i know i did.

But in the Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez 3 fight it went back/forth so many times, where as Miguel Cotto/Antonio Margarito fight didn't. Who could of predicted Israel Vasquez would of battered Rafael Marquez like that in the 12th round ?

So basically my reasons for Israel Vasquez/Rafael Marquez 3 being a better fight. More action, better skill, knockdowns on both side, more back and forth action, more significant fight, both fighters high in the top 10.

[hitmann]

What does his ethnicity have to do with anything?

nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

[hitmann]

What does his ethnicity have to do with anything?

nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

[killersheep]

nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

How is that not racist?

[leftylee]

nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

[CFH]

nothing at all. but when you see amir khan and all his immigrant mates acting like they own the whole of manchester it makes me feel sick.

First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

[hitmann]

First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

How is that not racist?

how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

[hitmann]

First of all, how would you know they're "immigrants"? Because of the color of their skin? That's not exactly a fool proof technique. You have no idea how long they've lived in the same country as you, and it doesn't matter anyways unless you're a small minded bigot or a drooling moron. Second, why would it matter if they are "immigrants" or not? If someone is an ass, they're an ass regardless of ethnicity or which country they were born in, where they're from has no bearing on anything. Finally, I'm curious, how are "immigrants" supposed to act?

Lefty is right, racism doesn't get you very far around here. I find your last statement more offensive than your first.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

Ok well come and have a look at manchester, then you might see my problem. until then seen as tho you havnt been here and experienced what im talking about, shut the fuck up.

[CFH]

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

How is that not racist?

how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

Ok well come and have a look at manchester, then you might see my problem. until then seen as tho you havnt been here and experienced what im talking about, shut the fuck up.

[killersheep]

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

How is that not racist?

how is it you stupid nob head.am i wrong? no.

Somehow I'm not insulted by the term nob head coming from you. Because they are speaking their native tongue you assume that they are calling you names, that's ridiculous.

[killersheep]

Look im not here to start an arguement. If you dont like my views then fair enough. I couldnt care less about the colour of their skin. That has nothing to do with anything. There musnt be many immigrants in your local community then? Its the way they act that bothers me, mainly the 16 - 25 year old muslims that are claiming benefits and driving round in there dads nissan uninsured taxi, wearing veils and speaking their language so you cant tell what they are saying and are probably calling you all the names under the sun. Not to mention taking over the whole of bradford and half of oldham.

Of course you're not trying to start an argument, because you have an indefensible position.

As for my community, ignoring the fact that almost everyone who lives in my country was essentially an immigrant, it is very multi-cultural. We have massive numbers of immigrants who have come here from Asia, India, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, South America etc. Many of them speak their own languages, they have jobs, and *gasp* they're even allowed to vote if they're citizens. If it wasn't for immigrants, our population would be shrinking in size.

And you know what? No one, aside from blithering idiots who are both paranoid and stupid enough to blame others for their own problems, minds a bit. As a matter of fact, it's a point of pride for many Canadians that our country is as multi-cultural as it is.

All your post does is reinforce the fact that you are in fact both racist and xenophobic. The fact that your chose one ethnicity/nationality/whatever to single out only adds to the evidence.

Ok well come and have a look at manchester, then you might see my problem. until then seen as tho you havnt been here and experienced what im talking about, shut the fuck up.

Do you want to compare immigrant statistics between where you live and where I live?

[hitmann]

Khan is from Bolton so why would he own Manchester ?

And cut the racism as well. Talking like that won't get you far on this site. No need for it whatsoever.

Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

why dont you have a look at this canadian before you lecture me on my own country. Bolton, Lancashire - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Bolton, Lancashire

[killersheep]

Im not racist. and if you knew anything about geography you would find bolton is in greater manchester.

Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

why dont you have a look at this canadian before you lecture me on my own country. Bolton, Lancashire - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Bolton, Lancashire

HAHAHAHA Lefty is from England, near Manchester if I'm not mistaken. Could you read what the title of that link says for me? Please?

[hitmann]

Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

why dont you have a look at this canadian before you lecture me on my own country. Bolton, Lancashire - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Bolton, Lancashire

HAHAHAHA Lefty is from England, near Manchester if I'm not mistaken. Could you read what the title of that link says for me? Please?

could you read the article in the link please. If he is from england then he is even more stupid then isnt he. bolton is in greater manchester, FACT.

[hitmann]

Bolton is in Lancashire.
Manchester is in Greater Manchester.

Bolton is next to Manchester. But it certainly isn't in it.

Bolton, Lancashire - Google Maps

why dont you have a look at this canadian before you lecture me on my own country. Bolton, Lancashire - Hutchinson encyclopedia article about Bolton, Lancashire

HAHAHAHA Lefty is from England, near Manchester if I'm not mistaken. Could you read what the title of that link says for me? Please?

Bolton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just incase you are in denial,