Yusaf Mack UPDATE!

[killersheep]

I think Diaconu is the bigger fish but it would more than likely have to be overseas & I'd hate Mack to get set back because of home cooking. Its a very winnable fight that Mack could use his speed & his better fundermentals to his advantage.

George is probably the way to go, has some name recognition after the Byrd victory, can be made in the states & is the easier fight imo. I see Mack scoring a KO there!

I agree with Galaxy here, Mack would need a KO to get a SD against Diaconu at home. George is definately someone that Mack could have an impressive KO against. Henry has a great chin man, that is known quantity, Mack landed some devastating bombs and Henry was still in the fight up through the 12th!! I liked Mack's pacing, but as alluded to earlier by No Contest he looked winded early, I have to assume that was cause he went for the KO early so fair play.

[Trainer Monkey]

Great news that your still consulting Yusaf Monkey hopefully next time both him and his team will be aware of it

Funny Bilbo,especially as I have Rory's number in my rolodex.
I guess he forgot about the work we did for his other fighter huh?
Slipped his mind or something,especially the way he said I was an UNPAID consultant on this fight.
Key word is UNPAID,I didnt make buh off of this. And Im not in the least annoyed at that. I am annoyed that guys like you can have the reality beaten in to your face like a sledgehammer,and still choose to be a total dick about it.
Its bad for my buisness,and anything is bad for my buisness is bad for my family asshole

The reality of what beaten into my face? That they didn't know about your 'consultation', that reality?

The thing is Monkey that you make these comments that only damage your credibility. To claim that it was your gameplan that won the fight for Yusaf Mack and that you generously donated this valuable information for free is just silly, especially considering his actual trainer and manager are members of this site and have stated you didn't consult at all.

Just chatting to someone about an upcoming fight isn't consulting. It's like Lefty meeting his idol David Haye prior to the Wlad fight and telling him that Wlad has a suspect chin and can gas late in the fight, and then if Haye wins by a late stoppage claiming that Haye stuck to his gameplan, and that he didn't even charge for his 'services'

Its just silly, Yusaf's win had nothing whatsoever to do with you so to start talking about 'we will win even bigger next time' just makes you look silly, and also detracts from the real guys who trained him and Yusaf himself.

I like you a lot as a poster TM, you're always fun to debate with and have strong opinions on things which is good but you so often create posts that damage your own credibility. There are several trainers and promoters on this board and you try to equate yourself to the best of them but in doing so put yourself below the level of Stacy Goodson who does at least manage some real professional fighters like Osin Fagan and Bobby Gunn.

You hang a bag in your shed and have some toughman competition friends come round to spar with and you think that makes you the same as Freddie Roach or Manny Steward. You are basically the Kid Thunder of boxing trainers.

All I'm saying is you'd have a lot more respect if you stopped trying to create stories or exaggerate casual conversations turning them into consultations etc.

Except , I spent a week and a half talking to his manager about this fight
And why wouldnt I do a freebie?
Douchebag
Whenever you feel like coming down here and sparring,I think a few of my "Toughman" fighters would gladly show you how good they are. Well Ok probably only one of the girls and then Id have to call for the paramedics to have you rushed to Bluefield Hospital

[Kev]

Funny Bilbo,especially as I have Rory's number in my rolodex.
I guess he forgot about the work we did for his other fighter huh?
Slipped his mind or something,especially the way he said I was an UNPAID consultant on this fight.
Key word is UNPAID,I didnt make buh off of this. And Im not in the least annoyed at that. I am annoyed that guys like you can have the reality beaten in to your face like a sledgehammer,and still choose to be a total dick about it.
Its bad for my buisness,and anything is bad for my buisness is bad for my family asshole

The reality of what beaten into my face? That they didn't know about your 'consultation', that reality?

The thing is Monkey that you make these comments that only damage your credibility. To claim that it was your gameplan that won the fight for Yusaf Mack and that you generously donated this valuable information for free is just silly, especially considering his actual trainer and manager are members of this site and have stated you didn't consult at all.

Just chatting to someone about an upcoming fight isn't consulting. It's like Lefty meeting his idol David Haye prior to the Wlad fight and telling him that Wlad has a suspect chin and can gas late in the fight, and then if Haye wins by a late stoppage claiming that Haye stuck to his gameplan, and that he didn't even charge for his 'services'

Its just silly, Yusaf's win had nothing whatsoever to do with you so to start talking about 'we will win even bigger next time' just makes you look silly, and also detracts from the real guys who trained him and Yusaf himself.

I like you a lot as a poster TM, you're always fun to debate with and have strong opinions on things which is good but you so often create posts that damage your own credibility. There are several trainers and promoters on this board and you try to equate yourself to the best of them but in doing so put yourself below the level of Stacy Goodson who does at least manage some real professional fighters like Osin Fagan and Bobby Gunn.

You hang a bag in your shed and have some toughman competition friends come round to spar with and you think that makes you the same as Freddie Roach or Manny Steward. You are basically the Kid Thunder of boxing trainers.

All I'm saying is you'd have a lot more respect if you stopped trying to create stories or exaggerate casual conversations turning them into consultations etc.

Except , I spent a week and a half talking to his manager about this fight
And why wouldnt I do a freebie?
Douchebag
Whenever you feel like coming down here and sparring,I think a few of my "Toughman" fighters would gladly show you how good they are. Well Ok probably only one of the girls and then Id have to call for the paramedics to have you rushed to Bluefield Hospital

Well Monkey I'm a lover not a fighter and with my diseased body just the ring walk and climbing over the ropes would be an ordeal so one of your protege's beating me in their chosen profession of fighting would not necessarily be any more impressive than a yokel beating a baby in a spelling contest.

But this is typical of your mindset though. I mean you spend several months training Kid Thunder to fight an 0-4 bum who himself had never fought an opponent with a win and then still brag about how he had improved greatly under your tutelage and even managed to go the distance (in a 4 rounder) without being knocked down once

Anyways I don't want to get into a war of words with you, as I said in my earlier post I've always liked you as a poster, it's just your sometimes delusional rantings that are irritating, i.e you boast about email correspondence with a 2-13 fighter leading to him becoming 2-14 and than try and convince us your a top class trainer in your area who played a pivotal role in Yusaf Mack's win over a top 10 rated light heavy.

Have you even met Yusaf Mack? Does he even know who you are?

You're like that power puncher dude that was on this site a few years ago.

You know the one whose kid had the impressive side muscles

Punching Power Coach

[Trainer Monkey]

The reality of what beaten into my face? That they didn't know about your 'consultation', that reality?

The thing is Monkey that you make these comments that only damage your credibility. To claim that it was your gameplan that won the fight for Yusaf Mack and that you generously donated this valuable information for free is just silly, especially considering his actual trainer and manager are members of this site and have stated you didn't consult at all.

Just chatting to someone about an upcoming fight isn't consulting. It's like Lefty meeting his idol David Haye prior to the Wlad fight and telling him that Wlad has a suspect chin and can gas late in the fight, and then if Haye wins by a late stoppage claiming that Haye stuck to his gameplan, and that he didn't even charge for his 'services'

Its just silly, Yusaf's win had nothing whatsoever to do with you so to start talking about 'we will win even bigger next time' just makes you look silly, and also detracts from the real guys who trained him and Yusaf himself.

I like you a lot as a poster TM, you're always fun to debate with and have strong opinions on things which is good but you so often create posts that damage your own credibility. There are several trainers and promoters on this board and you try to equate yourself to the best of them but in doing so put yourself below the level of Stacy Goodson who does at least manage some real professional fighters like Osin Fagan and Bobby Gunn.

You hang a bag in your shed and have some toughman competition friends come round to spar with and you think that makes you the same as Freddie Roach or Manny Steward. You are basically the Kid Thunder of boxing trainers.

All I'm saying is you'd have a lot more respect if you stopped trying to create stories or exaggerate casual conversations turning them into consultations etc.

Except , I spent a week and a half talking to his manager about this fight
And why wouldnt I do a freebie?
Douchebag
Whenever you feel like coming down here and sparring,I think a few of my "Toughman" fighters would gladly show you how good they are. Well Ok probably only one of the girls and then Id have to call for the paramedics to have you rushed to Bluefield Hospital

Well Monkey I'm a lover not a fighter and with my diseased body just the ring walk and climbing over the ropes would be an ordeal so one of your protege's beating me in their chosen profession of fighting would not necessarily be any more impressive than a yokel beating a baby in a spelling contest.

But this is typical of your mindset though. I mean you spend several months training Kid Thunder to fight an 0-4 bum who himself had never fought an opponent with a win and then still brag about how he had improved greatly under your tutelage and even managed to go the distance (in a 4 rounder) without being knocked down once

Anyways I don't want to get into a war of words with you, as I said in my earlier post I've always liked you as a poster, it's just your sometimes delusional rantings that are irritating, i.e you boast about email correspondence with a 2-13 fighter leading to him becoming 2-14 and than try and convince us your a top class trainer in your area who played a pivotal role in Yusaf Mack's win over a top 10 rated light heavy.

Have you even met Yusaf Mack? Does he even know who you are?

You're like that power puncher dude that was on this site a few years ago.

You know the one whose kid had the impressive side muscles

Punching Power Coach

I just sent them over a piece of info I caught on Henry,thats all I really ever said,and excuse the fuck out of me that I was happy that it worked.
I mean heaven forbid anyone should take any joy in their hand in a success.
No we should all sit in a hole and pray the world will get around to ending.
Thats much better
And btw Douchebag,Andrew had never gone four before I started working with him,and he was never around to get robbed on a decision before.
I think I would call that greatly improved.
Douche

[Violent Demise]

No contest sounds right to me HENRY IS ONE TOUGH MOTHER!! Everyone forgets MACK dropped ANDRADE!

Regarding the stamina we only had a 5 week camp and Mack did 10 rounds of sparring from the ELBOW. He wa not in MATCH SHAPE and it did show, but the team did there job!

I like DIACONU or Shawn George next? Anybody have thoughts about that?

Also Cloud wont fight us he is sitting for his chance at Dawson or the winner of Muriqui woods fight.

I wouldn't mind seeing Mack pick up a title by fighting Hugo Garay. Garay is underrated. But I think Mack can take him

Also is Mack going to continue training in the Los Angeles area?

[Kev]

Except , I spent a week and a half talking to his manager about this fight
And why wouldnt I do a freebie?
Douchebag
Whenever you feel like coming down here and sparring,I think a few of my "Toughman" fighters would gladly show you how good they are. Well Ok probably only one of the girls and then Id have to call for the paramedics to have you rushed to Bluefield Hospital

Well Monkey I'm a lover not a fighter and with my diseased body just the ring walk and climbing over the ropes would be an ordeal so one of your protege's beating me in their chosen profession of fighting would not necessarily be any more impressive than a yokel beating a baby in a spelling contest.

But this is typical of your mindset though. I mean you spend several months training Kid Thunder to fight an 0-4 bum who himself had never fought an opponent with a win and then still brag about how he had improved greatly under your tutelage and even managed to go the distance (in a 4 rounder) without being knocked down once

Anyways I don't want to get into a war of words with you, as I said in my earlier post I've always liked you as a poster, it's just your sometimes delusional rantings that are irritating, i.e you boast about email correspondence with a 2-13 fighter leading to him becoming 2-14 and than try and convince us your a top class trainer in your area who played a pivotal role in Yusaf Mack's win over a top 10 rated light heavy.

Have you even met Yusaf Mack? Does he even know who you are?

You're like that power puncher dude that was on this site a few years ago.

You know the one whose kid had the impressive side muscles

Punching Power Coach

I just sent them over a piece of info I caught on Henry,thats all I really ever said,and excuse the fuck out of me that I was happy that it worked.
I mean heaven forbid anyone should take any joy in their hand in a success.
No we should all sit in a hole and pray the world will get around to ending.
Thats much better
And btw Douchebag,Andrew had never gone four before I started working with him,and he was never around to get robbed on a decision before.
I think I would call that greatly improved.
Douche

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

[Trainer Monkey]

No contest sounds right to me HENRY IS ONE TOUGH MOTHER!! Everyone forgets MACK dropped ANDRADE!

Regarding the stamina we only had a 5 week camp and Mack did 10 rounds of sparring from the ELBOW. He wa not in MATCH SHAPE and it did show, but the team did there job!

I like DIACONU or Shawn George next? Anybody have thoughts about that?

Also Cloud wont fight us he is sitting for his chance at Dawson or the winner of Muriqui woods fight.

I wouldn't mind seeing Mack pick up a title by fighting Hugo Garay. Garay is underrated. But I think Mack can take him

Also is Mack going to continue training in the Los Angeles area?

You honestly think he's ready for that?
Im just not seeing it yet.
It would be a good fight,but a muy dangerous one right now

[Trainer Monkey]

Well Monkey I'm a lover not a fighter and with my diseased body just the ring walk and climbing over the ropes would be an ordeal so one of your protege's beating me in their chosen profession of fighting would not necessarily be any more impressive than a yokel beating a baby in a spelling contest.

But this is typical of your mindset though. I mean you spend several months training Kid Thunder to fight an 0-4 bum who himself had never fought an opponent with a win and then still brag about how he had improved greatly under your tutelage and even managed to go the distance (in a 4 rounder) without being knocked down once

Anyways I don't want to get into a war of words with you, as I said in my earlier post I've always liked you as a poster, it's just your sometimes delusional rantings that are irritating, i.e you boast about email correspondence with a 2-13 fighter leading to him becoming 2-14 and than try and convince us your a top class trainer in your area who played a pivotal role in Yusaf Mack's win over a top 10 rated light heavy.

Have you even met Yusaf Mack? Does he even know who you are?

You're like that power puncher dude that was on this site a few years ago.

You know the one whose kid had the impressive side muscles

Punching Power Coach

I just sent them over a piece of info I caught on Henry,thats all I really ever said,and excuse the fuck out of me that I was happy that it worked.
I mean heaven forbid anyone should take any joy in their hand in a success.
No we should all sit in a hole and pray the world will get around to ending.
Thats much better
And btw Douchebag,Andrew had never gone four before I started working with him,and he was never around to get robbed on a decision before.
I think I would call that greatly improved.
Douche

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

[Kev]

I just sent them over a piece of info I caught on Henry,thats all I really ever said,and excuse the fuck out of me that I was happy that it worked.
I mean heaven forbid anyone should take any joy in their hand in a success.
No we should all sit in a hole and pray the world will get around to ending.
Thats much better
And btw Douchebag,Andrew had never gone four before I started working with him,and he was never around to get robbed on a decision before.
I think I would call that greatly improved.
Douche

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

Ok sorry Monkey I don't want to sound callous, good luck in the future I mean you no wrong and I'm sorry for criticising you over your involvment in Thunders training, no doubt he did better last time out than before.

Let's just get back to arguing about Islam

[killersheep]

I just sent them over a piece of info I caught on Henry,thats all I really ever said,and excuse the fuck out of me that I was happy that it worked.
I mean heaven forbid anyone should take any joy in their hand in a success.
No we should all sit in a hole and pray the world will get around to ending.
Thats much better
And btw Douchebag,Andrew had never gone four before I started working with him,and he was never around to get robbed on a decision before.
I think I would call that greatly improved.
Douche

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

If you lose money when Bilbo talks shit, I would say that is not a good business, seriously.

[Kev]

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

If you lose money when Bilbo talks shit, I would say that is not a good business, seriously.

haha yeah right, now if you MADE money when I talk shit, then you'd be a millionaire

[Trainer Monkey]

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

If you lose money when Bilbo talks shit, I would say that is not a good business, seriously.

Ok you have a point,nobody really takes Bilbo that seriously.
Im just protective of what I have achieved,so he provoked an automatic lash out reaction.
Its just my nature,hell, think how protective I get about Andrew,and Im doing that as a freebie so far.

[Trainer Monkey]

Ok TM I don't want to steal your thunder, let's cool this now eh? Sorry if I upset you man just calling it how I see it.

Maybe you can get it if Im calm about it,I understand talking shit,it happens all the time here. But my business pays my bills. ie food on the table.
Now when you talk shit about my business you are potentially taking food out of my kids mouth.
Now this has a tendency to piss me the fuck off.
Go figure,Im funny like that
And it also makes me feel like,if Mack had lost you would have fallen over yourself to point out what a loser I was.
Im fucked if I win,Im fucked if I lose.
In Andrew's last fight,both

Ok sorry Monkey I don't want to sound callous, good luck in the future I mean you no wrong and I'm sorry for criticising you over your involvment in Thunders training, no doubt he did better last time out than before.

Let's just get back to arguing about Islam

Do we have to?
I was pretty sure we had beaten Islaam in to the dust at this point.
As far as Mack goes,Im just glad to be part of the team,Rory is very good at putting people around in the right spots,its a talent on his part. He is WAY better at it then I am.

[killersheep]

They are replaying this fight right now on ESPN2 (at least in Arizona)

[amat]

...I wonder what Tandy thinks when he reads this. So funny soooo funny.

Mack has some flaws though, I wish he would get a more consistent jab or at least a more commited jab. I think he's better behind it. He goes defensive for to long at a time, even when he's slipping shots and looking for counters underneath, it still looks bad and made for Henry winning a lot of those rounds even when he wasn't even landing cleanly. I think Henry outpunched him by a couple hundred and with any sort of jab that should never happen. Also wish he would use his feet a bit more, he got flatfooted a lot and with no jab just allowed to Henry to close the distance easily, even with the success of Mack's chopping right he would have been better served just firing it from outside where Henry has virtually no chance and just turning him.

Like I thought before the fight Mack was the more talented it was just a matter of the bad habits he has and them being all wrong for Mack, it made for a close fight and what has to be looked at as a good win over a Ring rated contender. Just lots of work to do.

Good luck to him though and thanks John and Barron for giving those updates on the forum, pretty cool stuff