harrison after haye

[Violent Demise]

Cruiserweight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it exists Lyle and the fact that you refuse to even acknowledge the division let alone give it even an iota of respect demonstrates how much of a hater and a nut hugger you obviously are.

When are these groupies going to understand that what he did at Cruiserweight means nothing at Heavyweight? It doesn't even provide proper competition as preparation. Haye last 2 opponents at Cruiserweight were Jean-Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccrap would both get butchered at Heavyweight.

Haye-Enzo was 50-50 going into it. I remember a lot of people picking Enzo. I do remember yourself picking Haye though

I have no idea why anybody gave Enzo a chance. The guy has always been crap. I knew Haye was going to roll him. But I was hoping he didn't. Enzo does possess a little power. I was hoping he would at least push Haye for awhile. Maybe 5 rounds. His biitch ass couldn't even finish 2.

[AdamGB]

How many awesome cruiserweights have gone on to be title holders in the heavyweight division?

I can only think of one other unified, undisputed champion who moved up to Heavy Weight.

I'm sure you know who I mean.

edit: and before anybody goes off on one - I'm not comparing haye to Holyfield, just pigeon holing a little answer to Lyles irrelevant question.

(Irellevant because haye is not Holyfield and vice versa... he is his own man and obviously should be judged as such)

[Tysonbruno]

Im a big Haye fan i think he is fantastic lets not get down on him end of the day he is the most exciting thing in the heavyweight division nobody is interested in big heavy plodders playing it safe.David Haye just gets stuck in and gives the fans what they want knockouts and he gets hurt doing it sometimes but HEY!! thats what makes him exciting and yes he talks some shit sometimes but what fighter don't alot of you love Joe Calzaghe on here and he the biggest shit talker of them all but you love him for it. Lets just sit back and see what happens.

[AdamGB]

What

I know OF JD Chapman and I know the toughest opponent he's ever fought is Marcus Rhode or Rich Boruff....he's not exactly top level competition however he is undefeated which would mean maybe a little more to me than beating Monte Barrett but roughly the same ballpark.

It's not like Haye beat a guy who was close to getting a title shot

Cruiserweight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it exists Lyle and the fact that you refuse to even acknowledge the division let alone give it even an iota of respect demonstrates how much of a hater and a nut hugger you obviously are.

When are these groupies going to understand that what he did at Cruiserweight means nothing at Heavyweight? It doesn't even provide proper competition as preparation. Haye last 2 opponents at Cruiserweight were Jean-Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccrap would both get butchered at Heavyweight.

people could debate how much credit haye deserves for being unified and undisputed Champ... You basically wouldn't be dicussing Haye but the Merits of a whole entire division.

I think it is very blinkered though to say that being undisputed Cruiser Champ means nothing at all at Heavy Weight.

I'm not even saying that it means that Haye is a certified future title holder etc... but people could give him a bit more respect (I know that's hard cos he's a loud mouthed brit) I don't see how people can suggest that Haye only deserves to be fighting the likes of a past his 'best' fraud who just get beaten by an old taxi driver with ten fights

[kingfrnk]

Haye WOULD get schooled by Thompson but I guess that would throw off the whole idea of Haye competing with Wladimir. David Haye is a very flawed fighter and I can tell that even before he gets taken to school by a solid boxer like Thompson

but Thompson just shows up for a check now days.

[El Kabong]

but Thompson just shows up for a check now days.

I think Thompson's record is pretty good, he hasn't ever folded or just shown up the guy only has 2 losses and one of those came early in his career and the other came from the best heavyweight out there right now.

Dominick Guinn and Luan Krasniqi don't think he just showed up for a check.

Simply being a 6'6 250 pound southpaw that has a good jab and great defense makes him a tough sell for a fight for an up and coming heavyweight. Sure Thompson doesn't have great power but he can box the ears off of David Haye....and who knows how great Haye's chin is at heavyweight or his stamina

[rjj tszyu]

How many awesome cruiserweights have gone on to be title holders in the heavyweight division?

Well Lyle can I just educate you please? There was once a Cruiserweight (back in the days of 190lbs limit) called Evander Holyfield. He became UNDISPUTED Cruiserweight champ (like Haye did) and then moved upto Heavyweight (like Haye did). He then proceeded to make waves in the division (like Haye is doing) at a time when the division was in a better state than it is now.

Now in them days a genuine champ by the name of Mike Tyson was ruling the roost but decided to take on an easier option than Evander in the shape of James "Buster" Douglas (a limited fighter, kind of like Arreola and Tony Thompson but better). That's when disaster struck though. Tyson clearly underestimated Douglas and was KO'd in one of if not the biggest upset in the history of the sport.

Anyway next thing you know Holyfield gets his shot (as Haye himself one day will) and totally flattens Douglas (as Haye would to either Wlad or the next person to KO Wlad) and becomes Undisputed Heavyweight champ (something that Wlad will never be).

So people want to see this little CW take on the Bully Tyson but for various reasons the fight gets delayed a few years. Anyhow the fight finally happens and everyone (except me) is saying that Tyson is going to kill Holyfield and what happens? Holyfield KO's him

Unbelievable I know! Surely this was just a fluke so obviously Tyson had the rematch setup (just the one mind) and what happens? Well Evander is schooling Tyson again so Tyson fouls and is DQ'd.

There is quite a lot more to the story of this other "awesome cruiserweight" but now you know some basics I'll let you look it up for yourself.

Of course to compare Haye with Holyfield would be wrong. Totally different fighters, Haye has far more power than Evander ever had but Evander's chin is way ahead of Haye's so styles are different!

P.S. Lyle if you want anymore lessons I'll be more than happy to oblige!

[El Kabong]

Evander Holyfield is the ONLY cruiserweight to ever win A TITLE at heavyweight.....the only one EVER and he just happened to be a great fighter and I may also add that he had 0 losses before he moved up as well.

James Toney would be another example but after testing positive for drugs a couple times so that disqualifies him.

Sure RJJ was never a cruiserweight and neither was Foster but had RJJ fought a dangerous heavyweight he would have suffered the same fate as Mr. Foster did. Michael Moorer also never was a cruiserweight champ so he doesn't count as well AND he beat the only cruiserweight champ to become heavyweight champ and then faded into oblivian after getting KTFO by an ancient George Foreman.

[rjj tszyu]

Evander Holyfield is the ONLY cruiserweight to ever win A TITLE at heavyweight.....the only one EVER and he just happened to be a great fighter and I may also add that he had 0 losses before he moved up as well.

James Toney would be another example but after testing positive for drugs a couple times so that disqualifies him.

Sure RJJ was never a cruiserweight and neither was Foster but had RJJ fought a dangerous heavyweight he would have suffered the same fate as Mr. Foster did. Michael Moorer also never was a cruiserweight champ so he doesn't count as well AND he beat the only cruiserweight champ to become heavyweight champ and then faded into oblivian after getting KTFO by an ancient George Foreman.

Yes but Lyle the Cruiserweight division is very young and has only had 3 undisputed champs and for the majority of it's lifetime it has had to compete with GOOD HW's like Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield (former CW), Bowe, Lewis and Vitali.

Yes Vitali is still going but for how long? He's 37 now and surely will be on the downward slope and Wlad just cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the above mentioned fighters!

[Violent Demise]

How many awesome cruiserweights have gone on to be title holders in the heavyweight division?

Well Lyle can I just educate you please? There was once a Cruiserweight (back in the days of 190lbs limit) called Evander Holyfield. He became UNDISPUTED Cruiserweight champ (like Haye did) and then moved upto Heavyweight (like Haye did). He then proceeded to make waves in the division (like Haye is doing) at a time when the division was in a better state than it is now.

Now in them days a genuine champ by the name of Mike Tyson was ruling the roost but decided to take on an easier option than Evander in the shape of James "Buster" Douglas (a limited fighter, kind of like Arreola and Tony Thompson but better). That's when disaster struck though. Tyson clearly underestimated Douglas and was KO'd in one of if not the biggest upset in the history of the sport.

Anyway next thing you know Holyfield gets his shot (as Haye himself one day will) and totally flattens Douglas (as Haye would to either Wlad or the next person to KO Wlad) and becomes Undisputed Heavyweight champ (something that Wlad will never be).

So people want to see this little CW take on the Bully Tyson but for various reasons the fight gets delayed a few years. Anyhow the fight finally happens and everyone (except me) is saying that Tyson is going to kill Holyfield and what happens? Holyfield KO's him

Unbelievable I know! Surely this was just a fluke so obviously Tyson had the rematch setup (just the one mind) and what happens? Well Evander is schooling Tyson again so Tyson fouls and is DQ'd.

There is quite a lot more to the story of this other "awesome cruiserweight" but now you know some basics I'll let you look it up for yourself.

Of course to compare Haye with Holyfield would be wrong. Totally different fighters, Haye has far more power than Evander ever had but Evander's chin is way ahead of Haye's so styles are different!

P.S. Lyle if you want anymore lessons I'll be more than happy to oblige!

How about I school you? That former Cruiserweight Holyfield actually "earned" his title shot in the ring! The hell you say! No, no. It's true. Holyfield actually got in the ring and fought tough veteran contenders James Tillis (38-13) and Adilson Rodrigues (35-2). Than he decided to face former champions Pinklon Thomas (29-2) and Michael Dokes (37-1). Can you believe he still wasn't finish? Fellow prospects Seamus McDonagh (19-1) and The Destroyer Alex Stewart (24-0, 24 KO) were next. How many times did he lose you ask? None. He beat them all and earned his shot.

Now this guy your comparing to Holyfield. David Haye. What has he done? He beat a shot Monte Barrett and has run his mouth none stop. And for that he deserves a title shot?

[rjj tszyu]

How many awesome cruiserweights have gone on to be title holders in the heavyweight division?

Well Lyle can I just educate you please? There was once a Cruiserweight (back in the days of 190lbs limit) called Evander Holyfield. He became UNDISPUTED Cruiserweight champ (like Haye did) and then moved upto Heavyweight (like Haye did). He then proceeded to make waves in the division (like Haye is doing) at a time when the division was in a better state than it is now.

Now in them days a genuine champ by the name of Mike Tyson was ruling the roost but decided to take on an easier option than Evander in the shape of James "Buster" Douglas (a limited fighter, kind of like Arreola and Tony Thompson but better). That's when disaster struck though. Tyson clearly underestimated Douglas and was KO'd in one of if not the biggest upset in the history of the sport.

Anyway next thing you know Holyfield gets his shot (as Haye himself one day will) and totally flattens Douglas (as Haye would to either Wlad or the next person to KO Wlad) and becomes Undisputed Heavyweight champ (something that Wlad will never be).

So people want to see this little CW take on the Bully Tyson but for various reasons the fight gets delayed a few years. Anyhow the fight finally happens and everyone (except me) is saying that Tyson is going to kill Holyfield and what happens? Holyfield KO's him

Unbelievable I know! Surely this was just a fluke so obviously Tyson had the rematch setup (just the one mind) and what happens? Well Evander is schooling Tyson again so Tyson fouls and is DQ'd.

There is quite a lot more to the story of this other "awesome cruiserweight" but now you know some basics I'll let you look it up for yourself.

Of course to compare Haye with Holyfield would be wrong. Totally different fighters, Haye has far more power than Evander ever had but Evander's chin is way ahead of Haye's so styles are different!

P.S. Lyle if you want anymore lessons I'll be more than happy to oblige!

How about I school you? That former Cruiserweight Holyfield actually "earned" his title shot in the ring! The hell you say! No, no. It's true. Holyfield actually got in the ring and fought tough veteran contenders James Tillis (38-13) and Adilson Rodrigues (35-2). Than he decided to face former champions Pinklon Thomas (29-2) and Michael Dokes (37-1). Can you believe he still wasn't finish? Fellow prospects Seamus McDonagh (19-1) and The Destroyer Alex Stewart (24-0, 24 KO) were next. How many times did he lose you ask? None. He beat them all and earned his shot.

Now this guy your comparing to Holyfield. David Haye. What has he done? He beat a shot Monte Barrett and has run his mouth none stop. And for that he deserves a title shot?

Yes but have you noticed something? There is no one out there to fight these days thats why Wlads champ. They are all shite!

[chip]

This is A Forces excuse for the sparring

Audley gives more details on sparring session with David Haye in 2006.



25 February 2009
AUDLEY SPEAKS


I wanted to give some more details about my sparring session with David Haye and why I say he took liberties in trying to blast me out.

After my first lost to Danny Williams, my confidence was low and I went to Miami to hook up with Lennox and try to get my mojo back. I was with my training team and had just signed to fight Dominic Guinn for April 14th. It was early March and we were running along the beach in the morning and we bump into David who was training there and was also running. We talked and as David was nearing the end of camp for his fight back in London, we agreed to speak later as we didn't want cool down.

Bear in mind, I hadn’t done any boxing specific training since December and I was really looking to get my fire back and utilise the advice of Lennox. I believe it was 2 weeks later when Lennox told me he was leaving town and wanted to see me spar before he left town. We arranged for a novice pro who was in the gym to move around with me and we set it up for that evening.

David called and asked what I was up to and I told him what was planned for that evening. David had never come to my gym before while we were there, he trained elsewhere.

He gave no indication that he wished to come to the spar, so I never expected him and Adam to turn up and ask to spar. Regardless, I said no problems as I thought it would be good for Lennox to have a look at him (as far as I’m aware, David nor his side kick Adam had met Lennox before this day).

I did 3 rounds with the novice and then David stepped in. I noticed he was jumping up and down and looking really animated. It was 2 weeks away from his fight and he was at the end of his camp. Round 1: David came out throwing combinations, 3 and 4 at a time; I was so slow, I couldn’t even keep up with him. Wave after wave of punches came my way; he wasn’t holding back. I kept my guard tight and looked for an opening but couldn’t get off. The onslaught continued for 3 rounds and I hardly landed a shot on him.

My team looked at me like what the f..k was that about?. Was I embarrassed? HELL YES! Lennox said not to worry, as it was my first spar and that I’ll get better. Unfortunately, this set the mood for camp and I never got off first base. So that’s another reason why I want to get David in the ring, as I believe his actions on that day impacted my whole training camp and I boxed Dominic Guinn still low on confidence. I will say this, David has never hurt me all the many times we have boxed; I don’t think he can say the same.

In Rocky 3, Apollo Creed helps Rocky gets back his mojo and does what true friends do and helps him re build his confidence. I got there in the end by myself, but I should have seen David for what he was then. If you really look at David’s set up, it has got A Force written all over it. I have given David so much and have wanted nothing in return. The student may be the star today, but he has forgotten who his master was on his way up. Well, like in Rocky 5, the old master still has some game, so if you and WLAD do not happen, I’m here and waiting.

A FORCE

http://www.audleyharrison.com/audley/audley-gives-more-details-on-sparring-session-with-david-haye-in-2006-143.html

[El Kabong]

OK so there are no good challengers (I disagree of course but I'll humor you) so boxing should sacrifice the career of an up and coming fighter just so we could have the chance (because there are no sure bets) at an exciting fight?

All the people who don't want Haye to fight Wlad yet don't hate David Haye (just his fans ) they just want Haye to build a resume at heavyweight before he ruins his career...Holyfield had 6 fights at heavyweight before getting a shot at the title and he fought top level fighters (the type that David Haye seems to be avoiding).

Holyfield fought: James Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Adilson Rodrigues, Alex Stewart (undefeated at the time), and Seamus McDonugh.

People want Haye to have something on his record that says he is a good heavyweight before he gets a title shot. I want Haye to do well in the division because Wladimir does need a rival in the division, it would be good for boxing.

I just want Wladimir to get the full respect for whipping Haye's ass and it WILL happen.

[AdamGB]

I think haye needs a few more fights too... I just take issue with you saying that haye 'deserves' to fight a guy who just lost to a tubby old cabbie and has came up short every time he's even tried to remotely step it up.

You've just contradicted your self... giving us the resume of everybody who Holyfield fought and beat enroute to the title ex Champs... top ten fighters... undefeated fighters etc... and then you're saying that haye DESERVES Fraudley Harrison?!?!... He should be fighting the likes of Sam Peter etc... but Audley Harrison? Give them man some respect for fucks sake

But like I keep saying Haye isn't Holyfield and the Heavyweight division isn't the same as it was decades ago... It's fairly Irrelevant to compare them.

[AdamGB]

This is A Forces excuse for the sparring

Audley gives more details on sparring session with David Haye in 2006.



25 February 2009
AUDLEY SPEAKS


I wanted to give some more details about my sparring session with David Haye and why I say he took liberties in trying to blast me out.

After my first lost to Danny Williams, my confidence was low and I went to Miami to hook up with Lennox and try to get my mojo back. I was with my training team and had just signed to fight Dominic Guinn for April 14th. It was early March and we were running along the beach in the morning and we bump into David who was training there and was also running. We talked and as David was nearing the end of camp for his fight back in London, we agreed to speak later as we didn't want cool down.

Bear in mind, I hadn’t done any boxing specific training since December and I was really looking to get my fire back and utilise the advice of Lennox. I believe it was 2 weeks later when Lennox told me he was leaving town and wanted to see me spar before he left town. We arranged for a novice pro who was in the gym to move around with me and we set it up for that evening.

David called and asked what I was up to and I told him what was planned for that evening. David had never come to my gym before while we were there, he trained elsewhere.

He gave no indication that he wished to come to the spar, so I never expected him and Adam to turn up and ask to spar. Regardless, I said no problems as I thought it would be good for Lennox to have a look at him (as far as I’m aware, David nor his side kick Adam had met Lennox before this day).

I did 3 rounds with the novice and then David stepped in. I noticed he was jumping up and down and looking really animated. It was 2 weeks away from his fight and he was at the end of his camp. Round 1: David came out throwing combinations, 3 and 4 at a time; I was so slow, I couldn’t even keep up with him. Wave after wave of punches came my way; he wasn’t holding back. I kept my guard tight and looked for an opening but couldn’t get off. The onslaught continued for 3 rounds and I hardly landed a shot on him.

My team looked at me like what the f..k was that about?. Was I embarrassed? HELL YES! Lennox said not to worry, as it was my first spar and that I’ll get better. Unfortunately, this set the mood for camp and I never got off first base. So that’s another reason why I want to get David in the ring, as I believe his actions on that day impacted my whole training camp and I boxed Dominic Guinn still low on confidence. I will say this, David has never hurt me all the many times we have boxed; I don’t think he can say the same.

In Rocky 3, Apollo Creed helps Rocky gets back his mojo and does what true friends do and helps him re build his confidence. I got there in the end by myself, but I should have seen David for what he was then. If you really look at David’s set up, it has got A Force written all over it. I have given David so much and have wanted nothing in return. The student may be the star today, but he has forgotten who his master was on his way up. Well, like in Rocky 5, the old master still has some game, so if you and WLAD do not happen, I’m here and waiting.

A FORCE

http://www.audleyharrison.com/audley...-2006-143.html

hahaha! Cheers for that! Hilarious read!