Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

[JazMerkin]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Are you sure Eastside banned you for being right? I don't see how you can get on other people for nuthugging when you are doing it yourself. Like PAC you just fear Mighty Mike.

killer, it ain't worth it, I think we've established that Pac-fans are incapable of deciphering irony. aww fuck it let's keep at it anyway.

& it is a shame you're so brutally attacking the internationally recognized reputation of pacdbest2, he's clearly an unbiased boxing fan with no affiliation to any particular fighter, a sharp almost Nostradamus like mind, and a fantastic literary expert on grammar & where to best use capital letters. shame on you killersheep, shame on you!

[Kev]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

[killersheep]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Your mom.

[XaduBoxer]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
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[XaduBoxer]

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat & inexperienced Juan Diaz who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

I'm with you, I think JMM should NOT challenge PAC anymore (well he called out PBF instead of PAC, that's a good sign) for there's a greater chance that he will be KO'ed this time around specially at higher weights, like for example 140 lbs.

JMM faced life and death in his last 2 fights against Casa and Juan Diaz while PAC had an easy time slaying giants like David Diaz and Hoya... The added beatings JMM received from Casa and JuanD softened his body more and facing PAC for the 3rd time will finally make his body crumble to pieces...
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[TitoFan]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

[Pacdbest2]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

I'm not dismissing JMM's Achievement. I rated him as No 2 P4P. But Those guys rating him as no 1 were all wrong! Pac has done more PERIOD!!!!

[TitoFan]

You know, I like Pac... but some of you guys tend to get a little carried away. (See below)...

You guys are Just sucking JMM Dick too much!!! JMM's just beat a Young Fat (Well... he ain't chiseled, but I wouldn't call him "fat").& inexperienced Juan Diaz (You make him sound like a bum, when in actuality he's a top lightweight). who was schooled already by Not so Great Campbell. It's no Bragging rights!! LOok at the majority of Predictions before the fight?? JMM was the Clear Favorite. That's how I Predicted anyway. I Picked JMM by 10 rd TKO & giving only about 3 rds Max to Diaz.

Diaz is not a Step up for JMM. I considered it a notch higher than Pac's win over the other Diaz(David). BUt Pac showed a lot more with the DLH DOMINATION! (As personally sweet as this domination was for me, admit it... DLH was a shell of his former self. I would've started feeling sorry for him if I didn't dislike him so much. Oscar had NOTHING that night). It's a step up fight for Pac the reason he's 2-1 underdog into the fight. JMM didn't Dominate the light punching Juan. (You say "light punching", but fail to mention how he overwhelms with the sheer volume of punches. Surely you can give him more credit than that). You have to remember that JMM lose some rds. Compared to Pac who never lose a RD against David Diaz & DLH.

So you guys JMM Fans needs to chill out. JMM is a little bit behind on Bragging rights. Calling Floyd was the right step for JMM & I will support him for that fight. BUT I have advise for JMM, "DON'T OVER PRICE YOURSELF THIS TIME!!!".

Even after all that, I think it's a pretty close call between Pac and JMM for #1 p4p. I could see arguments either way. But to just dismiss JMM's claims is just not right.

I'm not dismissing JMM's Achievement. I rated him as No 2 P4P. But Those guys rating him as no 1 were all wrong! Pac has done more PERIOD!!!!

Well, in all honesty, it's hard for me to be unbiased on this one. You see... Pac went to straight to #1 p4p in MY book when he beat the shit out of De La Hoya. But in all fairness, De La Hoya WAS a shot fighter by that time. I guess the only way to settle this argument once and for all would be to have Pac-JMM III, but hopefully at a lower weight than 140, where both are at their peak.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Pacdbest2 it takes 2 to negotiate a fight and Pac was just as responsible as JMM for the delay in the rematch. JMM was the title holder at that time so he had an excuse for wanting the larger purse. Just like Pac now holds that right based on the win in their last fight.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
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Very nice how you fail to admit how shot a boxer ODLH was/is in order to solidify your Pac hugging. Bhop also benefited in similar fashion by choosing plodding stylistic fighters and fighting them after they either exited the buffet line or liposuction treatment (lol)

[XaduBoxer]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
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Very nice how you fail to admit how shot a boxer ODLH was/is in order to solidify your Pac hugging. Bhop also benefited in similar fashion by choosing plodding stylistic fighters and fighting them after they either exited the buffet line or liposuction treatment (lol)

What? Before that fight I reasoned out that PAC has a chance to defeat Hoya coz PAC has speed, quickness, youth, stamina and heart in his favor and adding Hoya is old and partially shot... But many laughed and totally write off Manny coz they said Hoya is just too big for PAC... They're saying PAC only accepted the fight because of the huge money... That's my story before that fight...

[killersheep]

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
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Very nice how you fail to admit how shot a boxer ODLH was/is in order to solidify your Pac hugging. Bhop also benefited in similar fashion by choosing plodding stylistic fighters and fighting them after they either exited the buffet line or liposuction treatment (lol)

What? Before that fight I reasoned out that PAC has a chance to defeat Hoya coz PAC has speed, quickness, youth, stamina and heart in his favor and adding Hoya is old and partially shot... But many laughed and totally write off Manny coz they said Hoya is just too big for PAC... They're saying PAC only accepted the fight because of the huge money... That's my story before that fight...

To be fair, before the fight I said it was pointless because if ODLH won it would be because he was just too big, and if PAC won it was because ODLH was too old. Guess what, PAC weighed more on fight night.

[Kev]

I think people are getting a little carried way here. It was a fantastic fight and Marquez did brilliantly to fight his way back into the fight and get the knockout but it doesn't jump him above the man who beat him just three fights or so ago.

Plus apart from knocking him out didn't Nate Campbell beat Juan Diaz more convincingly than Marquez?

The knockout was stunning but Marquez was getting pummeled in those early rounds whereas Nate just dominated Juan Diaz from the get go.

And Juan Diaz wasn't even in the top 10 p4p so how can Marquez become number 1 now?

Margarito's win over Cotto was bigger, as was in turn, Mosely's win over Margarito, why isn't Mosely number 1? (And no I don't think Mosely is p4p number 1 just making a point, Mosely's KO over Margarito was a far bigger shock than Marquez beating Diaz)

Marquez was I believe at least, the betting favourite over Diaz and he won in fine style after being dominated.

But he didn't look unbeatable at least not early and I don't see how that destruction was better than the slaughter Pacquaio put on Oscar.

And if you are going to try and take away Manny's credit by saying Oscar was weight drained then what about B Hop? Both his biggest wins in recent times over Pavlik and Tarver coincided with his opponents putting on career worst performances yet nobody takes his credit away.

Manny is number 1 going into his fight with Hatton.

Thank you Master Bilbo for enlightening the hordes of delusional Mighty Mike bandwagoners... You're the real MASTER...
.

Very nice how you fail to admit how shot a boxer ODLH was/is in order to solidify your Pac hugging. Bhop also benefited in similar fashion by choosing plodding stylistic fighters and fighting them after they either exited the buffet line or liposuction treatment (lol)

I'm not a nut hugger of any fighter. You can argue how shot Oscar was all you like but he had a better recent resume than both Casamayor and Juan Diaz going into the Pacquaio fight.

Oscar's previous 3 fights were a dominating brutal beatdown of Ricardo Mayorga who gave Shane Mosely 10 times more trouble than Margarito did, a split decision loss to the world's greatest p4p and undefeated fighter and an easy routine win over Steve Forbes.

Casamayor had lost virtually every single round to Santa Cruz in possible the worst robbery of the last decade, and had then been battered about the ring by Michael Katsidis before finally pulling out a stoppage. He hadn't looked good in about 5 years.

Juan Diaz had already been completely beaten down and dominated by veteran Nate Campbell prior to coming in to the Marquez fight.

So there's no question of saying Oscar was more 'shot' going into the fight with Pacquaio as his recent performances had been better than both Casa and Juan Diaz.

Furthermore whether you like it or not Pacquaio was given the victory of Juan Manuel Marquez last year, who also has a loss recorded against him over Chris John.

Therefore it's simply impossible to make a claim that Marquez should be the p4p number 1 fighter in the world unless you think your own subjective opinion on who wins a very close fight means more than an officially sanctioned result.

Anyone who tries to argue that the Ring Magazine should have Marquez as number 1 in the world I just cannot take seriously.

[Gandalf]

Marquez is the P4P No 1 as far as I'm concerned. He has proven himself as good as Manny Pac and he has cleaned out 135 the way it should be done.

[JT Rock]

I'm sorry Bilbo but I dont agree with your logic... JMM is a 35 year old fighter with 16 years experience and many of wars, he just absolutely crushed in brutal fashion a peak prime 135 pound relentless pressure fighting whirlwind who 3 fights ago was considered toast of the division even though Casamayor got a XMAS present against Santa Cruz...

a year ago 99% considered Diaz the Champ of the division, Marquez beat him at his own game knocked him down 2x and sparked him out cold... Diaz has never been stopped before.

Against Casamoyar a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer and can argue his resume is as good as Delahoya's in terms of who he's fought and beat... JMM stopped him, 1st man ever to do that too...

So JMM moves up in weight like Pac, Beats the ring #1 champ, Pac fought a pathetic title holder, Pac fights a zombie version of Delahoya, JMM beats the former #1-2 fighter at 135 in Diaz.

The proof is in the puddind

JMM is the real McCoy, no doubt about it#1 unless Pac can beat Hatton, if not JMM stays #1