Booing of Britains returning 'heroes' - what's your take on it?

[CFH]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

[ono]

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we

I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled.

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about.

No you're right it was originally....well apparently although none were found. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq's oil reserves

[ono]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary

[Gandalf]

We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we

I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled.

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about.

No you're right it was originally....well apparently although none were found. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq's oil reserves

It was a bullshit war. As a rational thinking human being I would never have gone there if I was in the forces. But then again most of those in the forces are not rational thinking human beings. Allegedly, says miles.

Maybe they do need a little booing. But the government gets let off too lightly in any case. It was all a big lie and that should be an immediate vote of no confidence.

[CFH]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary

Oh, don't get me wrong, I strongly disagree with the notion of soldiers as 'heroes' who are protecting my liberty blah blah blah and all the other bullshit buzz word propaganda slogans they hurl at us.

However, you can't really blame the individual soldiers, regardless of whether or not the joined the army without coersion, they don't make policy.

Do I question why someone would want to dedicate their lives to enforcing the policy of a bunch of rich assholes who spent the vast majority of their time looking out for the interests of other rich assholes? Of course, but the blame for them being in Iraq doesn't lie on their shoulders, that is the fault of the government and the interests they represent.

[Dark Lord Al]

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

I am happy to stand by what is said earlier , fact is the twats who are booing our troops would be the first to cry for help if we were being attacked by a hostile nation.
Im sick of this nanny state , this politically correctness gone mad , i personally would not stand for this kind of bullshit , and im ashamed that the powers that be cant , or havent got the balls to sort this mess we call Britain out. Im totally sick of mindless religious bigot's , they can all go fuck themselves .

[VictorCharlie]

I can't speak to UK soldiers/sailors etc but I can say that there is a myriad of reasons that Americans join the military. Family tradition, money for school, adventure, needs a job etc. Ultimately it is about one thing and that is service to ones country. As its been said service members don't make policy and they don't choose when and where to deploy. They must defer to their nation's leaders and electorate that put those leaders in place. I've spent countless hours and days working in the community. After the hurricanes in Lousianna we spent weeks cleaning up and providing support for the local communities. I am just as proud of these duties as my combat deployments. While some of you may disagree with the concept of your military as a protectorate it doesn't take away from the concept of selfless service that your respective nation's young men and women express by joining something that is bigger than themselves. As a whole they deserve more respect than being heckled upon their return home from a combat zone.

[Andre]

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners. that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now .

[VictorCharlie]

you had me going for a minute there Andre

[JazMerkin]

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners. that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now .

A lot of them do, but I imagine it must get pretty tiring having to explain constantly why they're idiots. I mean you probably would get pretty sick of it if you had to justify why those who started the bushfires were idiots, when all they may share with you is a faith or ethnicity. Also your average Muslim in Britain doesn't generally have the best access to mass media organization. Its not like Ahmed from down the road can exactly march into the BBC & demand a five minute section on the 6 o clock news to say why he doesn't like the moronic jihadists.

[Plopeater]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary

Your right, no-one forces us to join up, but as a 20 year old swearing my oath to Queen and country was a big thing and I was proud to do it, as I still am proud to serve my country.

Back then I had no idea about policy/politics although this was before Gulf War 2.

The parade should happen, its a military tradition and its a big moment for loved family members to see all their family and friends back home safely. Whether you think the war is right or wrong, these people should not be abused. Chants of baby killers is just ridiculous and if anyone has done anything wrong then let the law deal with it.

If people have an issue with the war then take it up with the government, they are ones who sanctioned it. These people are happy to live here under our government and rules, if they are so against the war they can go back to these countries and help the people by rebuilding or fighting, whichever they believe will help, rather than abusing British troops and chanting hate

[Andre]

you had me going for a minute there Andre

Sorry, its one of my hobbies bro .

[Andre]

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners. that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now .

A lot of them do, but I imagine it must get pretty tiring having to explain constantly why they're idiots. I mean you probably would get pretty sick of it if you had to justify why those who started the bushfires were idiots, when all they may share with you is a faith or ethnicity. Also your average Muslim in Britain doesn't generally have the best access to mass media organization. Its not like Ahmed from down the road can exactly march into the BBC & demand a five minute section on the 6 o clock news to say why he doesn't like the moronic jihadists.

True mate ,but I was thinking more of the leaders, Mullahs and the like who have whole groups following their words.
These community leaders from each town from within each Mosque need to have the balls to speak out against the Jihad mentality.
At least some of the dumb ones from on our side wouldn't continue to view all Musliums as a threat then. Also their followers would follow their leaders promt in separating themselves from it and may keep their own children away from the brainwashing that can occur behind the scenes.

Its a tough one, cause they may be targeted themselves if they rise up publicly against the outer wings; Scarey bunch of nutters, Im not sure what their reach is, I imagine its long and harsh.

[ono]

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

I am happy to stand by what is said earlier , fact is the twats who are booing our troops would be the first to cry for help if we were being attacked by a hostile nation.
Im sick of this nanny state , this politically correctness gone mad , i personally would not stand for this kind of bullshit , and im ashamed that the powers that be cant , or havent got the balls to sort this mess we call Britain out. Im totally sick of mindless religious bigot's , they can all go fuck themselves .

You know that for a fact?

It seems to me a lot of people have fallen for the propaganda which has been put out to group opposers of the war together with Religous extremists in an attempt to define one specific enemy which further strengthens our case for illegally invading another country.

There is a massive difference between religous extremists and those living within this country who strongly appose the war. Booing at a parade which imo is a government PR attempt to strengthen the 'heroes' bandwagon, is the most obvious way to show your dis-appreciation.

Whether it's right or wrong to boo the troops who probably don't even know the reasons behind the invasion is another matter, but we shouldn't act surprised when people publicly oppose it......and we shouldn't act suprised when the media portray these apposers as religous extremists.

All in my opinion of course.

[VictorCharlie]

ha..."illegal invasion" Has there ever been a legal invasion? I imagine depending on which side of the invasion you are on you might not describe it as legal. Ono I think your choice of the phrase "Illegal Invasion" is also a attempt by the left wing media to "criminalize" it somehow much like your opinion of the media showing religious extremists.