Ricky Hatton to fight Oktay Urkal next.........

[Bomp]

Im sorry im the biggest Hatton fan, but this is bullshit, first off now it's ok to fight mandatorys?? What happened to his mandatorys at 140, they were seen as not worth while so he dropped the belts, but Urkal is seen as an easy fight which it most probably will be this guy got exposed twice by Vivian Harris, also i thought Hatton didnt fancy it at 147??

We go from fighting possibly Castillo/Corrales to Urkal??

The only thing i can think of is to keep busy, but this fight is worthless if you ask me especially if Hatton wants to operate at 140 in ther future.

He hasn't said he was staying at Welter or Light Welter. He said he felt he was a natural lightwelter but would stay where the big fights were.

He gave up two belts to move up a weight, it would be daft to move back down after one fight.

He has to take a mandatory if he wants to retain the belt, WBA only sanctioned the Collazo fight if the winner fought Urkal within 120 days. Retaining the belt gives him more bargaining power for future fights against other Welters, especially if Cotto moves up aswell.

From a business point of view there is little point in fighting Collazo again because it wouldn't be for a belt, just a pointless fight and a risky one after the 1st fight (although I don't think Hatton would make the same mistakes twice)

I personally think he deserves a mandatory fight back in Manchester hopefully and a potentially easier fight. His last 3 fights have been World title fights.

Then onto Cotto/Castillo/Mayweather et al

Its pointless to move down after one fight??

But he was aiming to fight Castillo/Corrales winner at 140?? The only reason he isnt now is because oof the oending action against Castillo he cant wait around.


The thing is he only fights twice a year its not as if he is fighting legends every 3 months, he has fought KT and now Collazo, Maussa was a tomato can if we are honest, like i say i wouldnt mind this fight if there was no other options but there is plenty.

cc you're right. It's the fact that he has other options that makes this fight least appealing.
If he wants to keep his title, I'm sure a bit of bargaining with the WBA would allow a Collazo rematch, it would be a good fight for him if he really wants to stay in the WW division. With the extra time to prepare for the higher weight I'm sure he'll produce a much better performance, which would do him the world of good psychologically as well knowing that he can handle a proper WW.

The other immediate option now is Cotto, since Castillo will be out of their fight now with a possibble suspension. If Cotto's handler's thought he was ready for Castillo then why not Hatton? IMO Cotto may fancy a shot at the hitman at WW since he is renowned for struggling to make the weight, and also seeing how sluggish Hatton looked at the same weight.

[7777]

Its pointless to move down after one fight??

But he was aiming to fight Castillo/Corrales winner at 140?? The only reason he isnt now is because oof the oending action against Castillo he cant wait around.


The thing is he only fights twice a year its not as if he is fighting legends every 3 months, he has fought KT and now Collazo, Maussa was a tomato can if we are honest, like i say i wouldnt mind this fight if there was no other options but there is plenty.

6 fights in two years = 3 fights a year

3 defences

12/06/04 - Vilches
01/10/04 - Stewart
11/12/04 - Oliveira

3 World title fights (on the bounce)

04/06/05 - KT
26/11/05 - Maussa
13/05/06 - Collazo

Regardless of whether he made noises about Castillo he is entitled to a mandatory in my opinion and why not take an easier mandatory at Welter, gives him an additional fight to get adjusted and then crack on with Cotto/Mayweather at Welter

As much as I would love to see it Collazo brings nothing to the table. Urkal would have to accept step-aside money again, HBO would have to sanction it and so would the WBA and Collazo would want more money. Don King made sure Collazo got well paid in the first fight instead of including a rematch clause. His look out from now on I'm afraid.

Taking a mandatory makes sense for Hatton, fight in Manchester, adjust to the weight see whats what

[Fenster]

After beating Tszyu cause Hatton's style doesn't warrant a long career he was looking for the big "star" fights - Mayweather, Cotto, Corrales, Gatti etc - and was going to achieve his boyhood dream of topping bills in Vegas, New York etc.... He's fought Maussa, Collazo and is now looking to fight Urkal

Whatever the reasons and however things have played out in determining the course his career has taken its understandable that some of his fans are disappointed in the way things have gone/going.

[Salhadin]

Its a shame he has to fight Urkal but business is business and as champ you have to fulfill certain obligations, this being one of them. At least he'll get to showcase what he's really made of as a full blown welter. All in all it could be worse, he could be fighting Sharmba Mitchel!

How would fighting Sharmba Mitchell be worse?

He'd be sloppy 3rds, two of hattons biggest rivals have faught and beaten him well, Mitchell is really a 140 fighter, with hatton fighting another genuine 147 (more fights than sharmba at 147) we'll get to see his true credentials, from a boxing fans perspective its a better prospect.

Sharmba Mitchell is a very good fighter, not at the top tier, but very good, he is also a much more marketable name in America (where most of the paying fight fans are) his only two losses in the last 5 years are to PBF and Kostya Tszyu
I consider myself to be a boxing fan (you may disagree) but I would rather see Mitchell than Urkal. I can definately respect the mandatory defense thing though. Just don't slam Mitchell he has had a pretty good career 57-5-0 and never ducked anyone.................

Yeah, no diss to Mitchell, its simply that I think Hatton would rather not fight someone that PBF recently dominated, and he'd take a lot of sh*t from the same type of people that would say that Hatton SHOULD fight Mitchell, I think Mitchell is/(was?) a better fighter than Urkal, but at least Urkal is a bit more intresting as he is something that we haven't seen beaten by the recent 140 movers to 147 elite (He beat Harris first time round and was unlucky 2nd time). The comment about real boxing fans definatly wasn't aimed to you killersheep or anyone else with knowledge and open views, more to the sad click p4p top 10 on this site and the contenders to the crown

Umm.. You do realize that Urkal has spent his whole career at 140 as well, he's not a natural welter and he's no test whatsoever at 147, if that's really where Hatton is going to stay... But you think it would be worse to fight someone that PBF just dominated than someone Vivian Harris pretty much dominated?? I don't think so.

Plz dont talk about a blown up 140 because pbf has fought nothing but Blown up 140's and now hattons doing something wrong......

[killersheep]

To all Hatton fans....There are quite a few people that just don't like Hatton. They want to see him lose. They won't be happy with just about any opponent, but they will be happy against opponents they honestly think he'd lose to (which is far fewer than they admit.) Were he to beat these opponents, which is likely, they would claim he wrestled for the win. Hatton being a coward is one of my favorite arguements. Lets call Valuev a slick boxer with excellent speed while we're at it. You can't win with them. Don't worry about it

So are you saying that Urkal would be a better fight than Mitchell?

Yes, who wants to see him fall over numerous times again, after Tszyu hammered him in to the canvas he stopped being a viable contender right there.

But Tszyu creaming Urkal on 6/23/01 was different? That was four months after the first Mitchell fight

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[skel1983]

Its pointless to move down after one fight??

But he was aiming to fight Castillo/Corrales winner at 140?? The only reason he isnt now is because oof the oending action against Castillo he cant wait around.


The thing is he only fights twice a year its not as if he is fighting legends every 3 months, he has fought KT and now Collazo, Maussa was a tomato can if we are honest, like i say i wouldnt mind this fight if there was no other options but there is plenty.

6 fights in two years = 3 fights a year

3 defences

12/06/04 - Vilches
01/10/04 - Stewart
11/12/04 - Oliveira

3 World title fights (on the bounce)

04/06/05 - KT
26/11/05 - Maussa
13/05/06 - Collazo

Regardless of whether he made noises about Castillo he is entitled to a mandatory in my opinion and why not take an easier mandatory at Welter, gives him an additional fight to get adjusted and then crack on with Cotto/Mayweather at Welter

As much as I would love to see it Collazo brings nothing to the table. Urkal would have to accept step-aside money again, HBO would have to sanction it and so would the WBA and Collazo would want more money. Don King made sure Collazo got well paid in the first fight instead of including a rematch clause. His look out from now on I'm afraid.

Taking a mandatory makes sense for Hatton, fight in Manchester, adjust to the weight see whats what

im going on calender year mate, 2005 he fought twice 2006 will be the same meaning in the last two years he has fought 4 times.

Collazo brings nothing to the table you say??

How about the fact that alot of people think he lost the fight?? He should go in there silence all the doubters fans and everyone to do with boxing, and alot of the pros which i have read on Boxing Talk 90% say Collazo won the fight.

Hatton for me is in a posistion where belts shouldnt mean nothing, he has a big enough name and brings enough money to the table to be worrying about Mandatorys, it's all about legacy for me and i think Ricky feels the same.

Tell me this Billy Graham was ranting and raving after the fight saying no one listened to me Ricky aint a Welterwieght trust me they will listen next time, so whats changed?? I tell you whats changed the next opponent at WW is a has been tomato can, dont get me wrong i love everything about Ricky Hatton, but prior to the Collazo fight he was talking about 8 more fights and named the fighters, so wheres Urkal come from?

What i dont get mate is what is the point of this fight at WW?? I thought he was a 140 his camp were telling everyone after the Collazo fight, so go back down and fight Cotto or someone worthwhile, i dont understand this fight if he feels his future lies at 140.

[killersheep]

Its pointless to move down after one fight??

But he was aiming to fight Castillo/Corrales winner at 140?? The only reason he isnt now is because oof the oending action against Castillo he cant wait around.


The thing is he only fights twice a year its not as if he is fighting legends every 3 months, he has fought KT and now Collazo, Maussa was a tomato can if we are honest, like i say i wouldnt mind this fight if there was no other options but there is plenty.

6 fights in two years = 3 fights a year

3 defences

12/06/04 - Vilches
01/10/04 - Stewart
11/12/04 - Oliveira

3 World title fights (on the bounce)

04/06/05 - KT
26/11/05 - Maussa
13/05/06 - Collazo

Regardless of whether he made noises about Castillo he is entitled to a mandatory in my opinion and why not take an easier mandatory at Welter, gives him an additional fight to get adjusted and then crack on with Cotto/Mayweather at Welter

As much as I would love to see it Collazo brings nothing to the table. Urkal would have to accept step-aside money again, HBO would have to sanction it and so would the WBA and Collazo would want more money. Don King made sure Collazo got well paid in the first fight instead of including a rematch clause. His look out from now on I'm afraid.

Taking a mandatory makes sense for Hatton, fight in Manchester, adjust to the weight see whats what

im going on calender year mate, 2005 he fought twice 2006 will be the same meaning in the last two years he has fought 4 times.

Collazo brings nothing to the table you say??

How about the fact that alot of people think he lost the fight?? He should go in there silence all the doubters fans and everyone to do with boxing, and alot of the pros which i have read on Boxing Talk 90% say Collazo won the fight.

Hatton for me is in a posistion where belts shouldnt mean nothing, he has a big enough name and brings enough money to the table to be worrying about Mandatorys, it's all about legacy for me and i think Ricky feels the same.

Tell me this Billy Graham was ranting and raving after the fight saying no one listened to me Ricky aint a Welterwieght trust me they will listen next time, so whats changed?? I tell you whats changed the next opponent at WW is a has been tomato can, dont get me wrong i love everything about Ricky Hatton, but prior to the Collazo fight he was talking about 8 more fights and named the fighters, so wheres Urkal come from?

What i dont get mate is what is the point of this fight at WW?? I thought he was a 140 his camp were telling everyone after the Collazo fight, so go back down and fight Cotto or someone worthwhile, i dont understand this fight if he feels his future lies at 140.

Two words for staying at WW.........Cash Money
The money definately is in the WW division at the moment

[skel1983]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

[killersheep]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

In WW........
Hatton v. Mayweather, Margarito, Judah, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, or Williams would be PPV

At 140........
Hatton v. Cotto (planning on going to 147 after Malignaggi), Castillo (may be banned), Malignaggi (May be in a coma) ,Casamayor would be PPV

Trust me the money is in Welterweights

[skel1983]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

In WW........
Hatton v. Mayweather, Margarito, Judah, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, or Williams would be PPV

At 140........
Hatton v. Cotto (planning on going to 147 after Malignaggi), Castillo (may be banned), Malignaggi (May be in a coma) ,Casamayor would be PPV

Trust me the money is in Welterweights

Mitchell Cassamayor Williams would not be PPV, secondly Cotto was supposed to be fighting Castillo at 140 on Nov 11 2006, so theres no reasopn Hatton cant fight him at 140.

Do you really think Hatton will ever fight Judah?? that would be very much down the list. Only Mayweather makes more money than Castillo and Cotto which both can be made at 140.

[skel1983]

Hattons camp were saying after the fight against a fether fisted Collazo who basically knocked him round the ring he aint a WW, so why is he fighting at WW??

He will loose soon if he carrys on at this weight, his shots dont carry enough sting.

Margorito would be suicide.

[killersheep]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

In WW........
Hatton v. Mayweather, Margarito, Judah, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, or Williams would be PPV

At 140........
Hatton v. Cotto (planning on going to 147 after Malignaggi), Castillo (may be banned), Malignaggi (May be in a coma) ,Casamayor would be PPV

Trust me the money is in Welterweights

Mitchell Cassamayor Williams would not be PPV, secondly Cotto was supposed to be fighting Castillo at 140 on Nov 11 2006, so theres no reasopn Hatton cant fight him at 140.

Do you really think Hatton will ever fight Judah?? that would be very much down the list. Only Mayweather makes more money than Castillo and Cotto which both can be made at 140.

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read this

[El Gamo]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

In WW........
Hatton v. Mayweather, Margarito, Judah, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, or Williams would be PPV

At 140........
Hatton v. Cotto (planning on going to 147 after Malignaggi), Castillo (may be banned), Malignaggi (May be in a coma) ,Casamayor would be PPV

Trust me the money is in Welterweights

Hahahah,you cracked me up with the breakdown..."Malignaggi (May be in a coma)"

IF Ricky wants to cement his legacy the way his camp always go on about,he is going to have to stop fighing the Urkals,and answer the questions about Collazo,and fight someone like Baldozar before going for super fight with Cotto.

Question time people: Will he still fight PBF? Do you want to see it?

[killersheep]

The money and cash??

the only money maker id Floyd, and he is the only fighter who phycially i think Hatton could deal with, Margorito dont bring more moeny than a Cotto or Castillo fight, if Hatton fights any big boy at WW for me he goes in a big underdog, only Mayweather makes sense but he wont get that fight on for at least a year, baffles me.

Gatti/Baldomir is probably another one at WW but if he is fighting Urkal i got a feeling the winner of Gatti/Baldomir would laready have been beaton by the time Hatton becomes available again.

In WW........
Hatton v. Mayweather, Margarito, Judah, Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell, or Williams would be PPV

At 140........
Hatton v. Cotto (planning on going to 147 after Malignaggi), Castillo (may be banned), Malignaggi (May be in a coma) ,Casamayor would be PPV

Trust me the money is in Welterweights

Hahahah,you cracked me up with the breakdown..."Malignaggi (May be in a coma)"

IF Ricky wants to cement his legacy the way his camp always go on about,he is going to have to stop fighing the Urkals,and answer the questions about Collazo,and fight someone like Baldozar before going for super fight with Cotto.

Question time people: Will he still fight PBF? Do you want to see it?

I am sure I will get flogged for this, but here goes.
I don't think Hatton is ready for PBF he needs to dominate a fight a 147 first someone with more clout than Urkal.
I would like to see Hatton v. PBF, but that's like 3 fights away for Ricky at least IMO