they robbed clottey

[fan johnny]

What SD isn't?

Clottey had it and he let it go, he's got no one to blame more than himself. He should have bought some insurance...

[generalbulldog]

Yep, they robbed Clottey. It was the judges fault that if Clottey had thrown some punches and landed them he would have won the 12th and squeeze out a draw, but it was Cotto who won the last round which had him winning by 1 point on one of the judges scorecards.

With the sarcasm aside, it's not a robbery.

Why the hell would he need to squeeze out a draw when he won. He could have won 10-12 and still only managed a draw when he clearly won 5, maybe could have had 6 rounds in the bag by the ninth round...even Manny had the tone of "What fucking fight are you two watching" in reference to Lampley and Kellerman clearly ball licking Cotto all night. Even tried to suggest that cotto's people have the doc stop the fight because they felt he was up on the cards. What a bunch of HBO bullshit...

Domination? It seems like the majority on this board saw it as a very close fight and so did I. Let me ask you since Clottey was landing the right all night, why did he shy away from it on the latter rounds and wasn't agressive anymore since Cotto was getting nailed with it from all the blood that was seeping in his eye? Especially in New York with Cotto's fan base and Cotto is the WBO champ?

[Quinito]

Big props to the referee. We need more no nonsense guy like him.

[CGM]

The benefit of the doubt goes to the more marketable fighter.

[ono]

I thought Cotto won and Clottey threw it away. Hated seeing him trying to get Cotto dq'd aswell.

Turned into Didier Drogba at one point and threw himself to the ground.

If Clottey hadn't of spent round 6 on the ropes and actually made an attempt to launch an attack in the 11th and 12th then he would have won.

Credit for Cotto fighting on and remianing competitive with a cut that was arguably as bad as Barrera's against Khan.

[Lance Uppercut]

I had the fight scored for Cotto by 2 rounds. Clottey essentially quit in the last 3 rounds and just stopped trying to win.

[Jesse James]

I was rooting for Cotto but I thought Clottey won the fight. Clottey did screw himself by not doing much in the last couple rounds, but he had enough rounds in the bank as far as I'm concerned. I remember seeing Lederman's scorecard and thinking "wtf?" because he gave Cotto a couple of the earlier rounds that I though Clottey clearly won. Besides for the 1st, 11th, 12th, and the round (I forget which) where he had Clottey pinned in the corner, I thought Clottey won basically every other round. Bottom line, a rematch is definitely in order.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I was rooting for Cotto but I thought Clottey won the fight. Clottey did screw himself by not doing much in the last couple rounds, but he had enough rounds in the bank as far as I'm concerned. I remember seeing Lederman's scorecard and thinking "wtf?" because he gave Cotto a couple of the earlier rounds that I though Clottey clearly won. Besides for the 1st, 11th, 12th, and the round (I forget which) where he had Clottey pinned in the corner, I thought Clottey won basically every other round. Bottom line, a rematch is definitely in order.

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

[Mar]

It doesn't really matter what any of us think on this subject. With one of those judges scoring that fight 116-to whatever showed clottey never had nuch of a chance in the first place. Good fight though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was rooting for Cotto but I thought Clottey won the fight. Clottey did screw himself by not doing much in the last couple rounds, but he had enough rounds in the bank as far as I'm concerned. I remember seeing Lederman's scorecard and thinking "wtf?" because he gave Cotto a couple of the earlier rounds that I though Clottey clearly won. Besides for the 1st, 11th, 12th, and the round (I forget which) where he had Clottey pinned in the corner, I thought Clottey won basically every other round. Bottom line, a rematch is definitely in order.

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

[JonesJrMayweather]

I was rooting for Cotto but I thought Clottey won the fight. Clottey did screw himself by not doing much in the last couple rounds, but he had enough rounds in the bank as far as I'm concerned. I remember seeing Lederman's scorecard and thinking "wtf?" because he gave Cotto a couple of the earlier rounds that I though Clottey clearly won. Besides for the 1st, 11th, 12th, and the round (I forget which) where he had Clottey pinned in the corner, I thought Clottey won basically every other round. Bottom line, a rematch is definitely in order.

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.




Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

[ElTerribleMorales]

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.




Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

so according to that Jones/Calzaghe rnd 1 should have been 9-9, cause aside from the KD Jones did jack shit, yet i scored the rnd 10-8 Jones

[RP33]

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.




Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

I believe that on a "10 point must" system, you cannot score a 9-9 round. Not sure if that rule was in effect during this fight, but if that was the case then 10-8 for Cotto is the only way to score the round.

I am not a Cotto fan, but I had Cotto winning by a point, and the knock down was the reason for it. I did feel that Clottey landed the bigger shots, though. Especially considering that the knock down was from a Cotto jab. So if you used the Max Kellerman approach to scoring a round ("Who would you rather be at the end of the round?"), then i can see how anyone could have Clottey winning. At the end of the fight, i said that the fight could go either way, but i see Cotto as the winner, and felt that it was deserved.. no robbery in my eyes.

[RozzySean]

I was rooting for Cotto but I thought Clottey won the fight. Clottey did screw himself by not doing much in the last couple rounds, but he had enough rounds in the bank as far as I'm concerned. I remember seeing Lederman's scorecard and thinking "wtf?" because he gave Cotto a couple of the earlier rounds that I though Clottey clearly won. Besides for the 1st, 11th, 12th, and the round (I forget which) where he had Clottey pinned in the corner, I thought Clottey won basically every other round. Bottom line, a rematch is definitely in order.

Another thing was clottey won the entire first round and with the KD it should have been scored 9-9...

This is one of the best point in the thread. That could have easily been a 9-9 round. Also, when Cotto hit Clottey in the back of the head (accidentally), it affected Clottey and it wasn't the first time. I'm sorry, but when Clottey got taken down early in the fight, Cotto pushed down on the back of his head. He was also hitting Clottey with borderline low blows and a few legit low blows all night and he was never warned.

It wasn't a robbery. It was close fight. I give Cotto all the credit for not quiting after round 4 and rolling the dice with an early decision, Jesse James Leija style.

[RozzySean]

Still, Lederman and I'm sure some of the judges gave some rounds to Cotto that Cotto did not win. He got too much credit for punches the bounced off Clottey's arms while Clottey was hitting him clean. It wasn't a robbery, but there was some poor, inexperienced judging. Again, the trend judging fights only by punches thrown continues.