Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?

[GAME]

GAME. I'm not a primarily pacfan. But I don't think Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Hatton were weight drained when Pac took their belts away from them. I know you're a die-hard MAB fan. But your boy got owned by pac twice. Your vindictive shitt gotta stop. Give pac some credit and start living your life.

wow Manny beat a washed up Barrera so what . Mcbride beat Tyson but I dont hear anyone comparing Mcbride to Jesus

Youre just sore cuz one of your boys got stopped by Chris Byrd and the other got stopped by Corrie Sanders. You should be ashamed

[Howlin Mad Missy]

This is a fun thread to follow lol. Granted I think GB has some dislike for Pac and i wonder if he's trying to incite a riot, but I've seen worse threads. I'm just thankful Xanexboxer isn't here clucking around like a mother hen.

It's got to be better than rehashing the old Wlad/Haye Hate Each Other; Are the Heavyweights in Trouble?; Woe Is Me Hatton Got Pummeled What Now?; and the always entertaining but redundant Mayweather is a Cock threads

If GB had made a "Margarito is Great for Boxing" thread then I'd of hammered him for being a stooge.

I'm just taking the piss out of some of the posters for fun, kind of like Bilbo taking the piss out of posters by starting a thread called, "Is Shane Mosely the greatest."

hmm, I can't say but Manny wants no part of him

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Lame response. A real champion pick himself up, dust himself off, and keep on keeping after any major road bump. I'm far from being sore. As a fan, I take that Chris Byrd defeat as a positive thing. Unlike you with your Barrera.

[C-Lo]

I've already accepted that some people around here just think Pacquiao is totally overrated and will never give him credit. Just remember who they are and don't take their opinions to seriously.

It helps out when you're trying to keep sane.

NOTE: This doesn't only go for Pacquiao. This forum is filled with people who refuse to give other fighters credit as well. Just the way it is.

[GAME]

This is a fun thread to follow lol. Granted I think GB has some dislike for Pac and i wonder if he's trying to incite a riot, but I've seen worse threads. I'm just thankful Xanexboxer isn't here clucking around like a mother hen.

It's got to be better than rehashing the old Wlad/Haye Hate Each Other; Are the Heavyweights in Trouble?; Woe Is Me Hatton Got Pummeled What Now?; and the always entertaining but redundant Mayweather is a Cock threads

If GB had made a "Margarito is Great for Boxing" thread then I'd of hammered him for being a stooge.

I'm just taking the piss out of some of the posters for fun, kind of like Bilbo taking the piss out of posters by starting a thread called, "Is Shane Mosely the greatest."

hmm, I can't say but Manny wants no part of him

He will at 143

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I'm just taking the piss out of some of the posters for fun, kind of like Bilbo taking the piss out of posters by starting a thread called, "Is Shane Mosely the greatest."

hmm, I can't say but Manny wants no part of him

He will at 143

I read that Mosley would fight him at the catchweight. Pac/Roach would rather face the guy who took a beating and won over the guy who gave out a beating.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

& just to put my mod hat on, GAME & Dr.Steelhammer.....play nice on the front pages

[ICB]

GAME. I'm not a primarily pacfan. But I don't think Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Hatton were weight drained when Pac took their belts away from them. I know you're a die-hard MAB fan. But your boy got owned by pac twice. Your vindictive shitt gotta stop. Give pac some credit and start living your life.

wow Manny beat a washed up Barrera so what . Mcbride beat Tyson but I dont hear anyone comparing Mcbride to Jesus

Youre just sore cuz one of your boys got stopped by Chris Byrd and the other got stopped by Corrie Sanders. You should be ashamed

Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

[C-Lo]

GAME. I'm not a primarily pacfan. But I don't think Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Hatton were weight drained when Pac took their belts away from them. I know you're a die-hard MAB fan. But your boy got owned by pac twice. Your vindictive shitt gotta stop. Give pac some credit and start living your life.

wow Manny beat a washed up Barrera so what . Mcbride beat Tyson but I dont hear anyone comparing Mcbride to Jesus

Youre just sore cuz one of your boys got stopped by Chris Byrd and the other got stopped by Corrie Sanders. You should be ashamed

Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

I thought MAB fought a better fight the second time around too. He landed much bigger blows but I felt he held back too much and didn't want to get into a brawl with Manny. I still had Pac winning, but a closer fight than what the scorecards read. I always thought Manny had MAB's number too. Similar to Vernon Forrest having Mosley's number.

[mad_takamura]

What a ridiculous, trolling thread.

Yes, a likeable, marketable, exciting, extremely popular fighter with massive mainstream appeal to both hardcore, casual, and less than casual fans is bad for the sport.

After the Pacquiao - Hatton fight, people (and I mean almost everyone) was talking about it on a hockey forum I sometimes post on. That's how popular he is.

Edit: At worst, Pacquiao stimulates discussion amongst hardcore fans (ohhhhhhh, how terrible) and at best he draws in new fans to the sport and increases the profile of boxing in the mainstream sports world.

Pacman is only known to the boxing world and maybe just maybe to some of the casual sports fan. Most people don't know who he is outside of those 2 demographics. He's not oscar De la hoya in terms of widespread appeal or a young 80s Tyson that people knew.

Pacman f-ucked over his mainstream popularity by bailing out on shows like the Tonight Show, Regis - Kelly, Good Morning America, etc. And he almost bailed out on the Boxing Writers Association of America for presenting him fighter of the year. The guy wants money like how he wanted it to be 60-40 in contract talks with Hatton, but sure doesn't understand how to market himself to an wider audience. More exposure=more cash, which is good for him and boxing.

It's only the boxing fans and fans of other combat sports that knows who he is. Most fans of other sports are saying who? The general publics sure doesn't know who he is.



So basically my question is this. If Manny Pacquiao is hardly known outside of the boxing world and he greatly divides the boxing fans, is he good for boxing?

if pac is'nt known outside those 2 demographics, why don't you make a placard and ask the people on the streets and ask: is pacquiao popular or not? that way, your question will be directly answered on that demographic! most likely they would say no just to make you look like a jackass for their entertainment or say "yes, what the fuck are you thinking? are you stupid?" which makes you think now it would'nt be a good idea to do that placard thing!

but to say pac is'nt known outside the boxing world is like saying is there a team called charlotte bobcats in the nba? really? since when?

if pac isn't known outside that area, why would nike made him an endorser? why would yahoo put the news pac upsets de la hoya as one of their headlines? that alone reaches out to millions! so his popularity right now had just increased!

why would such celebrities go to the wildcard to see him practice? like marky mark and his friend christian bale, stallone, the guy roach trained who has a wrestling movie? so is the boston celtics ,carmelo, kobe, kanye, etc etc...

i don't know why you're making up threads to downgrade pac as if he's bad to the sport! did'nt you made up a thread that pac's accomplishments is'nt that great? yet he's a former flyweight who went up to face the most prominent!

this is a stupid thread really. coz if the general public doe'snt know or care about pac: it's their loss not mine, not yours and not everybody in the boxing community!

[GAME]

GAME. I'm not a primarily pacfan. But I don't think Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Hatton were weight drained when Pac took their belts away from them. I know you're a die-hard MAB fan. But your boy got owned by pac twice. Your vindictive shitt gotta stop. Give pac some credit and start living your life.

wow Manny beat a washed up Barrera so what . Mcbride beat Tyson but I dont hear anyone comparing Mcbride to Jesus

Youre just sore cuz one of your boys got stopped by Chris Byrd and the other got stopped by Corrie Sanders. You should be ashamed

Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

Yeah but Barrera had his debut in 1989 so what do you expect. Just cuz Manny beat Barrera doesnt mean that would always be the case. If a prime Barrera fought the Pac who fought Torrencampo and Singursat we'd all be saying that Barrera had Pacs number

Its all about stages of career. Pac got Mab at the right time. I also felt he got Oscar at the right time.

Im not saying Singursat has Mannys number. Im saying he got Pac at the right time just as Manny got Barrera at the right time.

[The Congressman]

You know. You can always tell an anti-pac being 'owned' when he brings up irelevant shyt up, like bringing up what happened 10+ years ago to a current discussion. "Singurat, Torrecampo blah blah blah this and that" Lol! You can make your case out of it, but that does'nt take away the fact that Pac is a 6 division champ and now an ATG.

[ICB]

wow Manny beat a washed up Barrera so what . Mcbride beat Tyson but I dont hear anyone comparing Mcbride to Jesus

Youre just sore cuz one of your boys got stopped by Chris Byrd and the other got stopped by Corrie Sanders. You should be ashamed

Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

Yeah but Barrera had his debut in 1989 so what do you expect. Just cuz Manny beat Barrera doesnt mean that would always be the case. If a prime Barrera fought the Pac who fought Torrencampo and Singursat we'd all be saying that Barrera had Pacs number

Its all about stages of career. Pac got Mab at the right time. I also felt he got Oscar at the right time.

Im not saying Singursat has Mannys number. Im saying he got Pac at the right time just as Manny got Barrera at the right time.

But thats totally different GAME, Manny Pacquiao wasn't anywhere close to what he is now and he was still very raw and young plus that was 10 years ago. And we all know that he was badly weight-drained thats why he lost his title on the scales.

Thats totally different to MAB who was in his peak, because he became a better boxer after losing to Junior Jones x2. And he was coming off the best wins of his career against Johnny Tapia, Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, ETC.

And he was P4P number 3, yes he was having problems prior to the fight, but you still can't say MAB wasn't in his peak because he was.

And you say he made his pro debut in 1989, but what does that prove ? he was 15 when he made his pro debut. And and about 28 of his fights were against mediocre opponents, because he was a boy fighting men. He was only 29 in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and he was in his peak coming off his best performances of his career.

Im a big MAB fan but sometimes you just have to be honest, Manny Pacquiao had MAB's number end of. I agree that the 2nd fight doesn't mean that much, but the 1st fight clearly does. That was a great win for Manny Pacquiao, and i was sad when i see it.

But facts are facts GAME Manny Pacquiao has got MAB's number, but thats nothing to be ashamed of. Because all great fighters meet a certain style they can't handle, and Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter himself.

[:::PSL:::]

Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

Yeah but Barrera had his debut in 1989 so what do you expect. Just cuz Manny beat Barrera doesnt mean that would always be the case. If a prime Barrera fought the Pac who fought Torrencampo and Singursat we'd all be saying that Barrera had Pacs number

Its all about stages of career. Pac got Mab at the right time. I also felt he got Oscar at the right time.

Im not saying Singursat has Mannys number. Im saying he got Pac at the right time just as Manny got Barrera at the right time.

But thats totally different GAME, Manny Pacquiao wasn't anywhere close to what he is now and he was still very raw and young plus that was 10 years ago. And we all know that he was badly weight-drained thats why he lost his title on the scales.

Thats totally different to MAB who was in his peak, because he became a better boxer after losing to Junior Jones x2. And he was coming off the best wins of his career against Johnny Tapia, Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, ETC.

And he was P4P number 3, yes he was having problems prior to the fight, but you still can't say MAB wasn't in his peak because he was.

And you say he made his pro debut in 1989, but what does that prove ? he was 15 when he made his pro debut. And and about 28 of his fights were against mediocre opponents, because he was a boy fighting men. He was only 29 in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and he was in his peak coming off his best performances of his career.

Im a big MAB fan but sometimes you just have to be honest, Manny Pacquiao had MAB's number end of. I agree that the 2nd fight doesn't mean that much, but the 1st fight clearly does. That was a great win for Manny Pacquiao, and i was sad when i see it.

But facts are facts GAME Manny Pacquiao has got MAB's number, but thats nothing to be ashamed of. Because all great fighters meet a certain style they can't handle, and Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter himself.

Exactomundo.

[AdamGB]

I've already accepted that some people around here just think Pacquiao is totally overrated and will never give him credit. Just remember who they are and don't take their opinions to seriously.

It helps out when you're trying to keep sane.

NOTE: This doesn't only go for Pacquiao. This forum is filled with people who refuse to give other fighters credit as well. Just the way it is.

I fighter can be overrated by somebody without that person thinking that they have literally achieved nothing.