James Toney vs Evander Holyfield At Cruiserweight.

[ICB]

Two of the best skilled Cruiserweights of all time, and James Toney being one of my all time favorites. I pick a healthy James Toney by SD.

[Spicoli]

I think that Holyfield was an entirely different animal at cruiser.....one thing that would be pronounced is the experience points they were at in respected careers.Holyfield beginning and Toney nearing a conclussion,over all.

But I'd go with Holyfield on attrition and workrate.Toney could be hot and cold at various points and liked to be relaxed on his terms.At cruiser he looked like a wrecking crew against a used up Adalpho Washington,Garbey and a great fight with Jirov but I dont think Holyfield waits to fall into his traps.Nice close fight...would have been great.

[The Fightfan]

Evander Holyfield easy and probably by KO. Seems a bit far fetched for a KO but I still think Toney is one of the most overrated fighter's of all time.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Wow, that is a tough one.

That is a real toughie Ice...
JT is my all time fave. Holyfield is the Greatest Cruiserweight of all time.

All i can say is great thread, i'll answer a bit later lol...

[ICB]

Evander Holyfield easy and probably by KO. Seems a bit far fetched for a KO but I still think Toney is one of the most overrated fighter's of all time.

Totally disagree James Toney was an excellent fighter, who moved all the way up to Heavyweight and done very well. Its just he was lazy so he had a few struggles and losses, that he probably shouldn't have. But talent wise he is on par with Floyd Mayweather Jr. The fact that he was able to compete with big Heavyweight's on just his talent alone, speaks volumes to me.

Also you don't beat fighters like.

Evander Holyfield
Michael Nunn
Mike McCallum x2
Vassiliy Jirov
Iran Barkley
Charles Williams
Tim Littles
Doug DeWitt
Tony Thorton
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa

Being overrated.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

And based on that response, how can i NOT pick JFAT

I love the term JFAT

[GAME]

Evander was the greatest cruiserweight of all time. I think he beats Toney convincingly

Toney looked fat above lightheavy and Ive seen much lesser men than a prime Holyfuield beat him so it would be 1 sided ownage I think. Toney was good but would get beaten up in that 1

[match]

I think that Holyfield was an entirely different animal at cruiser.....one thing that would be pronounced is the experience points they were at in respected careers.Holyfield beginning and Toney nearing a conclussion,over all.

But I'd go with Holyfield on attrition and workrate.Toney could be hot and cold at various points and liked to be relaxed on his terms.At cruiser he looked like a wrecking crew against a used up Adalpho Washington,Garbey and a great fight with Jirov but I dont think Holyfield waits to fall into his traps.Nice close fight...would have been great.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Bomp]

I think that Holyfield was an entirely different animal at cruiser.....one thing that would be pronounced is the experience points they were at in respected careers.Holyfield beginning and Toney nearing a conclussion,over all.

But I'd go with Holyfield on attrition and workrate.Toney could be hot and cold at various points and liked to be relaxed on his terms.At cruiser he looked like a wrecking crew against a used up Adalpho Washington,Garbey and a great fight with Jirov but I dont think Holyfield waits to fall into his traps.Nice close fight...would have been great.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

On face value you'd immediately go for Holy, but you bring up a great point concerning which points in thier careers, where a crafty Toney makes it tough. Holy has the work rate and determination to pull it out the bag on a UD IMO.

[JazMerkin]

I think Holyfield wins by a close, but clear decision, probably 8 to 4. Toney had great natural talent, for me not on the same level as the likes of Whitaker, Jones or Mayweather, but not that far off, however, I thought above LHW, he started looking very paunchy. Holyfield was something special at CW & I think he would have had too much for Toney, although no way does he KO him, Toney has a brilliant chin.

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO Holyfield is one of, if not the greatest Cruiserweight Champion of all times, and Toney even though what he did in his comeback from the Jirove fight all the way till the Peter fights was impressive, he didn't dominate a guy (Jirov) who was clearly no on tier with Holyfield at Cruiserweight, it would probably have been a competitive fight but i see Holyfield stopping him late, he didn't have too much power at HW, but at Cruiser he had dynamite in his gloves

[ICB]

IMO Holyfield is one of, if not the greatest Cruiserweight Champion of all times, and Toney even though what he did in his comeback from the Jirove fight all the way till the Peter fights was impressive, he didn't dominate a guy (Jirov) who was clearly no on tier with Holyfield at Cruiserweight, it would probably have been a competitive fight but i see Holyfield stopping him late, he didn't have too much power at HW, but at Cruiser he had dynamite in his gloves

Vassiliy Jirov was a very good fighter though, he was an Olympic Gold Medalist with a 31-0 record. And i don't think Evander Holyfield would of dominated him either, but still James Toney fought a masterful fight on the inside. And i didn't think it was really that close points wise.

I don't think Evander Holyfield was that much worse as a Heavyweight, remember you have to take into account the opposition at Cruiserweight. Im not saying James Toney fought really good opposition either, but outside of Dwight Muhammad Qawi x2 who was better at Light Heavyweight IMO, and a past his prime Carlos De Leon, Evander Holyfield's record was modest.

And again i don't feel he was really a big puncher at Cruiserweight either, he had fast hands and he was very accurate. But i think saying he had dynamite in both hands is overrating his power somewhat.

And theres no way he would stop James Toney either, James Toney not only has a great chin. He has a great defense and remember Evander Holyfield, was still a novice at Cruiserweight. So im not sure if that version of Evander Holyfield would have enough, to deal with the slippery/skilled James Toney.

[DaxxKahn]

I go with Evander by SD, not that I can not see JT winning but he is so up and down when it comes to conditioning..

At CW Holyfield was a beast, I see Toney getting gassed by the 8th and spends the rest of the bout trying to avoid big bombs

[AdamGB]

Evander Holyfield easy and probably by KO. Seems a bit far fetched for a KO but I still think Toney is one of the most overrated fighter's of all time.

Totally disagree James Toney was an excellent fighter, who moved all the way up to Heavyweight and done very well. Its just he was lazy so he had a few struggles and losses, that he probably shouldn't have. But talent wise he is on par with Floyd Mayweather Jr. The fact that he was able to compete with big Heavyweight's on just his talent alone, speaks volumes to me.

Also you don't beat fighters like.

Evander Holyfield
Michael Nunn
Mike McCallum x2
Vassiliy Jirov
Iran Barkley
Charles Williams
Tim Littles
Doug DeWitt
Tony Thorton
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa

Being overrated.

Unless you're called Roy Jones Junior

[Hunter]

Holyfield by wide unanimous decision..,..Holyfield was a beast at cruiser and I believe Tony would have felt his power to the head and body and would have been slowed down and pushed around.......I dont have a question who would have won.....